CANADA - shooter in RCMP vehicle & uniform, 22 killed (plus perp), Portapique, NS, 18 April 2020 #3

[deugirtni]

My opinion only, but when we look at 'normal' pay rates for given occupations, I think the Internet gives us the expectations for an employment situation. When one runs and operates their own business(es), really anything goes. He'd not only be getting paid for his labour working the job, but also the markups and additional charges.. the 'profits' that would be collected by the employers of the employee-denturists the internet pay rates are quoting. Then..lots of write-offs, etc. And it seems he built wealth in real estate as well over a long period. jmo.

 

[Scoobydo2]

My opinion only, but when we look at 'normal' pay rates for given occupations, I think the Internet gives us the expectations for an employment situation. When one runs and operates their own business(es), really anything goes. He'd not only be getting paid for his labour working the job, but also the markups and additional charges.. the 'profits' that would be collected by the employers of the employee-denturists the internet pay rates are quoting. Then..lots of write-offs, etc. And it seems he built wealth in real estate as well over a long period. jmo.

Although he may have made quite a good living owning and running a denturist business, as well as being a landlord, this still does not explain the secret rooms and compartments that were in his dwellings..... just a thought for those convinced that he was no longer a smuggler.

 

[paganini]

I recall an inheritance mentioned. He may have bought and sold properties as well. I’d also think owning a denturist business is very lucrative considering high dental costs in Canada. False teeth can cost thousands of dollars and dental implants are priced through the roof. I’d guess the majority of the cost would be crafting of the false teeth as opposed to the material.

He was also into his 50s with no company pension plan. If he had a financial advisor, $10,000 invested for 25 years, average rate of return 5% nets about $477k. Savings including RRSPs totalling $475k approaching early retirement isn’t really that unusual in Canada considering the high cost of living. His current properties appeared to have been owned for many years from a time when property values were much lower. Maybe I’m the odd person out, but I don’t see $475k savings by a professional in his 50s with no dependants to be highly suspicious at all.

In the beginning, I thought he seemed to have more money than a denturist would accumulate. (One small quibble with your post - they don't do implants, although some may make the teeth that dentists use for implants). I still think he had more than I would expect a denturist to have, and it would not surprise me to learn he was selling drugs, or somehow involved in something like that. But, I don't think he was some big guy in such things.

Additionally, he ripped off that fellow for his business and home by fronting him a $38,000 mortgage and then scooping the place. No idea what the place was worth, but that was free money 10+ years ago.

I very much agree with you on your investment analysis, and having those kind of saving would have allowed him to leverage borrowed money for other properties. Then there is the bit about his father's name being on some of the Portapique properties. I would think he owned Dartmouth, and likely the "cottage" and "warehouse" in Portapique. Twenty-five years ago (probably when he bought Dartmouth), I bet it didn't cost him more than $50,000. And, you could buy a very nice place in Nova Scotia for well under $150,000. I know, because people were cashing out on the West Coast to go there. Neither his cottage nor the Dartmouth place were "very nice" places when he bought them. Even today, you can buy a perfectly good house for $150,000 and would be hard pressed to pay more than $350,000. So, I guess my point is that he seems to have spent a lot of money on "stuff", but probably not as much as it might seem on real estate.

 

[MistyWaters]

Although he may have made quite a good living owning and running a denturist business, as well as being a landlord, this still does not explain the secret rooms and compartments that were in his dwellings..... just a thought for those convinced that he was no longer a smuggler.

By accounts from others going all the way back to when the killer was a University student, several gave me the impression there was always something slightly off about him. Liquidating all his investments and savings in the belief banks were going to go broke is an indication of paranoia IMO. So might be the heavy surveillance around his property and the secret hiding places. Maybe that’s why he didn’t have a personal cellphone, he thought it was watching him. Grievance collectors are not rational thinkers, everyone’s out to get them. So depending on his mental state, did he have something to hide such as smuggling or was he haunted by imaginary enemies and threats that were invented in his own mind?

 

[Menci]

Police Corruption? Nova Scotia Shooter - Behind The Scenes
Nova Scotia Shooter Behind The Scenes with Paul Palango a former senior editor at The Globe and Mail and author of three books on the RCMP, the most recent being Dispersing the Fog, Inside the Secret World of Ottawa and the RCMP. His work on the Nova Scotia massacre has been published in MacLeans and the Halifax Examiner..

Interesting observations about the girlfriend and he says more info coming out about her..

Might find this article "very interesting" folks:

February 12 was a strange day for the man who two months later would murder 22 people

 

[tayaway]

Might find this article "very interesting" folks:

February 12 was a strange day for the man who two months later would murder 22 people

(Canada Shooter #2, 808) SillyBilly: For those who may have missed my earlier post, Halifax Examiner is not an approved MSM source at Websleuths.

...also, it's debatable whether Paul Palango is a credible journalist, based on his conspiratorial approach.

 

[jillybean51]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...n-estate-lawsuit-common-law-partner-1.5685039

 

[Tighthead]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...n-estate-lawsuit-common-law-partner-1.5685039

Who writes and edits this?

The assets and values aren’t listed in the will, they are listed in the executor’s application for a grant of probate. Sure nothing turns on it, but someone writing about legal matters should have a basic knowledge of how an estate works.

 

[jillybean51]

Who writes and edits this?

The assets and values aren’t listed in the will, they are listed in the executor’s application for a grant of probate. Sure nothing turns on it, but someone writing about legal matters should have a basic knowledge of how an estate works.

That’s CBC for ya!!!

 

[MistyWaters]

It’s not all that unusual for people to list out all their assets, especially in a handwritten Will which is legal in N.S. The reason I thought he might’ve done so was because a few weeks ago the high value of the Portapique properties mentioned in another media report appeared to represent what they might’ve been worth prior to him torching the dwelling and structures. The CBC report mentions the estate was initially valued at $1.2 million however not who initially valued it.

Making a Will | Wills and Estates Law | I have a legal question

 

[Tighthead]

It’s not all that unusual for people to list out all their assets, especially in a handwritten Will which is legal in N.S. The reason I thought he might’ve done so was because a few weeks ago the high value of the Portapique properties mentioned in another media report appeared to represent what they might’ve been worth prior to him torching the dwelling and structures. The CBC report mentions the estate was initially valued at $1.2 million however not who initially valued it.

Making a Will | Wills and Estates Law | I have a legal question

But we have seen the will, and he didn’t. And listing the values is unusual.

And he didn’t.

 

[MistyWaters]

But we have seen the will, and he didn’t. And listing the values is unusual.

And he didn’t.

The CBC report is regurgitating much of what was reported in a Global report dated June 12th. Where did you see the handwritten will?

Former partner of Nova Scotia gunman renounces will, public trustee takes over
“In his will, mass killer Gabriel Wortman made the ex-girlfriend his sole heir. His assets included homes worth $712,000 and $500,000 in personal belonging, the court documents show.

She was also named his executor. But she applied to renounce the will on May 25, removing her as executor, saying they had never been married. The application was approved by the Nova Scotia court on June 11.....

......His handwritten will, dated 2011, is four pages long and said he was to be buried quietly at the cemetery in Portapique, N.S., “in a hudson bay blanket” with no service, obituary or public notice....”

 

[deugirtni]

From memory only, I thought the girlfriend had not only given up her role as executor, but also given up being GW's beneficiary? Faulty memory??

 

[tayaway]

From memory only, I thought the girlfriend had not only given up her role as executor, but also given up being GW's beneficiary? Faulty memory??

You're right! Now she, like the other victims, is suing the estate for a share of it.

 

[Tighthead]

From memory only, I thought the girlfriend had not only given up her role as executor, but also given up being GW's beneficiary? Faulty memory??

That was the original report, but it was erroneous. She declined to act as executrix.

She is still the sole beneficiary but won’t receive anything that way.

 

[deugirtni]

After a quick search, I can't find any of the articles that seemed to have said that, at the time.

 

[Tighthead]

After a quick search, I can't find any of the articles that seemed to have said that, at the time.

Read the correction at the bottom here.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/portapique-shooting-gunman-estate-will-partner-1.5612761

 

[deugirtni]

Read the correction at the bottom here.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/portapique-shooting-gunman-estate-will-partner-1.5612761

Thanks, wonder where alllllllll of the other reports of the same erroneous information went?

 

[Tighthead]

Thanks, wonder where alllllllll of the other reports of the same erroneous information went?

If I new how to do gifs I would post one of someone scrubbing something clean.

 

[deugirtni]

If I new how to do gifs I would post one of someone scrubbing something clean.