Canada - Six dead in shootings at Mosque in Quebec City, 29 Jan 2017

[MIKAYOYO]

suspect dressed up as the Grim Reaper for Halloween, according to his Facebook page

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805163

[FONT=&quot]black-cloaked, scythe-wielding personification of death. We all know exactly *who he is and what he wants. He comes for every person, hourglass in hand, waiting for the last grain of sand to fall. When it does, he collects the soul with a well-practiced cut of his razor-sharp blade. It may not be a pleasant image, but it is clear and unmistakable.

[/FONT]http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/strange-creatures/grim-reaper.htm

just sayin..................
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I don't put any stock into that. My kids dressed as Scream, Grim Reapers, Monsters, Darth Maul but they aren't evil.

 

[CARIIS]

I don't put any stock into that. My kids dressed as Scream, Grim Reapers, Monsters, Darth Maul but they aren't evil.

I dont put a lot in it either -- just thought it was interesting!

If the same thing happened 15 yrs ago the headline would be" Mass Shooting in QUebic CIty" and be over!

moo

 

[CARIIS]

Tid bits:

charged with the premeditated murder of six people with a restricted weapon.

a butcher, a university professor, a pharmacist and an accountant,

government of Guinea said in a statement that two of its citizens were among those killed in the mosque attack.

“They consider this a lone wolf situation,”

Quebec City, a city of just over 500,000 which reported just two murders in all of 2015.

niqab, became an issue in the 2015 Canadian federal election, especially in Quebec, where the majority of the population supported a ban on it at citizenship ceremonies.

no change to “the national terrorism threat level”

court appearance lasted less than two minutes. fidgeted nervously but did not look at the crowd.

“It was someone who mastered weapons because it was calm,” the man said. “He killed and he killed.”

campus is about 3km (two miles) away from the mosque.

"He is a child," she said. "You couldn't find one more calm than that. He never did anything, he always kept to himself. We never heard of anything."
"I saw him last Wednesday; he was arriving at his parents' home. I think he often went there," the neighbour, who wished to remain anonymous, told Radio-Canada.


"a young man who is extremely withdrawn."

Bissonnette and his brother were not the kind to bother others, Bussiè re said, "but they were not social people."

[FONT=&quot]Debroise said Bissonnette had cut ties with many friends recently,

[FONT=&quot]family told the newspaper they believe he fell under the influence of someone.[/FONT][/FONT]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-city-mosque-shooting/article33822092/



http://nypost.com/2017/01/30/shooter-in-deadly-quebec-mosque-attack-charged-with-6-counts-of-murder/

 

[dotr]

http://www.citynews.ca/2017/01/30/h...r-for-vigil-to-mourn-quebec-shooting-victims/

People attend a vigil for victims of the mosque shooting in Quebec City Monday, January 30, 2017 in Montreal.THE CANADIAN PRESS/Ryan Remiorz

 

[dotr]

rbibm.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ect-at-the-centre-of-the-quebec-shooting.html

A P saw Bissonnette in passing three weeks ago, but didn’t think much of it.

“At that time, he didn’t seem like a violent person. Not at all,” he said.
“He was timid, (an) introvert. Awkward a bit.”

R B, a 23-year-old neighbour who lived across the street from Bissonnette, said her older brother went to school with him at the Collège Les Compagnons de Cartier.

She said she was blown away by the mosque shooting. She described Bissonnette as “very solitary” and “very antisocial.”

 

[CARIIS]

cont!

seen often at his parent’s home, she said.

“Apart from his twin brother, I did not see him with other people,” said Mikael Labrecque Berger, in French. He said Bissonnette was an “unpopular nerd,” “He replied to insults, but never with physical violence,” Labrecque Berger said, adding that he and his twin brother didn’t integrate with other students. They were usually only seen together, he said.

“has right-wing political ideas, pro-Israel, anti-immigration. I had many debates with him about Trump. He was obviously pro-Trump.”

If ya kinda think about it this makes some sense in light of what Trump just did as it relates to those of the Muslim faith moo

“I can tell you he was certainly no Muslim convert. I wrote him off as a xenophobe. I didn’t even think of him as totally racist, but he was enthralled by a borderline racist nationalist movement.”

he became interested in the far right movement when Marine Le Pen, the leader of the far-right National Front in France, spoke in Quebec City in March 2016, the Globe and Mail reports. He began speaking out about politics on Facebook and became estranged from some friends, according to the newspaper.

shy and timid, and didn’t talk to many other people.

right-wing people do and say,” Deschamps told the newspaper. He said Bissonnette made statements on their page, “acting like a troll.”

[FONT=&quot]anti-women’s[/FONT] rights remarks

likes U.S. Senator John McCain, a moderate Republican who has opposed Trump on some issues, President George W. Bush, the Canadian New Democratic Party and late Canadian politician Jack Layton, who was a leader of the left-wing NDP,

known to be a hunter and gun owner, Le Journal de Quebec reports.

targeted for practicing their faith,

t 75 officers

GoFundMe campaign--42K

face of this violence that has its origins in intolerance and hate,

a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist

reports that someone yelled “Allahu akbar,” it is perfectly natural that someone in a mosque would say that upon seeing a homicidal killer randomly shooting people, or it’s possible that the shooter said it mockingly.

rush to depict the shooter as Muslim and of Moroccan descent when so little is known about what happened. Yet not only did Fox and the Trump White House do exactly that, but worse, neither has retracted or corrected their claims long after it became clear that it was false:

inflammatory effect of this sort of reckless, biased “reporting” is as predictable as it is toxic. All day long, people around the world cited these reports to justify Trump’s ban as well as their own ugly views of Muslims

[h=1]Confront a Strain of Intolerance[/h]
forced Canadians to confront a growing intolerance and extremism that has taken root particularly among some people in this French-speaking corner of the country.

Canada took in roughly 30,000 Syrian refugees in a three month period — proportionate to the U.S. taking in 225,000 over that time,”

not charged with terrorism

population of 750,000 works for the provincial government, universities or in tourism. Until Sunday there had not been any murders in the city for 21 months.

Quebec has had a history of confrontations with the Muslim community. In 2005, the province became the first to explicitly ban the use of Sharia law and, less than a decade later, the Parti Québécois government tried to pass a “charter of values” that would have banned provincial employees from wearing Muslim headscarves and other “overt” religious symbols.

Quebec City, meanwhile, is a conservative bastion within the province and home to right-leaning radio talk shows that push an anti-Islam agenda — unusual for Canadian broadcasters.

the mosque said there have been hate letters, and swastikas painted on its door, episodes that led to the installation of eight security cameras.

was a "lone wolf," Canadian Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said Monday.

former classmate as a cerebral “nerdy outcast.”

“I wrote him off as a xenophobe. I didn’t even think of him as totally racist, but he was enthralled by a borderline racist nationalist movement

Laval University confirmed on Monday that Bissonnette was a social science student there.

twin brother were inseparable.
“He was an avid reader, knew a lot about history and about current issues, current politics, those kinds of topics,”

kind of made fun of, the butt of the jokes.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/30/quebec-city-mosque-shooting-police-now-say-1-suspe/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/canada/quebec-mosque-shooting.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-attack-quickly-depicted-as-a-moroccan-muslim-hes-a-white-nationalist/

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...arged-gunning-six-quebec-mosque/#.WJAOLxsrLcc

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...remain-in-critical-condition-following-attack[FONT=&quot]




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[CARIIS]

Feeling like Dylan and Charleston ...

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Feeling like Dylan and Charleston ...

Kinda my thoughts as well.

 

[eucalyptuz]

FWIW,
The definition of terrorism does not specify who are the victims or who are the perpetrators:
ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

If Bissonnette committed this act to make a stand against the open-arms policy of his government towards refugees, then yes, he is a terrorist. I don't think the word lessens his crime and I don't think it's dependent on being part of a political group. If he took his political grievances out on a group of innocent people in their place of worship - this is terrorism and he is a terrorist.

 

[Cryptic]

Or, he stole them. That's kinda what I'm thinking, though IDK.

jmo

A definite possibility. At the same time, I imagine that there are few AK-47 clones in Canada to steal.

He could have purchased stolen weapons from a Canadian source, but one poster implied that such purchases were hard to arrange in Canada unless one has deep under world connections. If the terrorist does not speak English, then his potential underworld connections are going to be even more limited.

Some reports imply that "B" had two AK-47 type weapons and pistols with him. I think Canada has limitations on pistols as well, so it might be possible to see if they originated in the US or were purchased legally in Canada. In short, perhaps the lone wolf is part of a pack and obtained the weapons from other sympathizers?

Feeling like Dylan and Charleston ...

I agree. At the same time, I wonder where he got the weapon(s) that are banned in Canada from and how hard is it to illegally obtain such weapons there?

 

[CARIIS]

Latest

Two victims still critical after terror attack on Quebec City mosque

[FONT=&amp]The mosque attack killed six and wounded 19. Of the five who were in hospital, one patient has been released, while four remain in hospital.

[/FONT] The Washington Post reports that he’s a far-right extremist-- fits more in with the typical loner mass shooter

[FONT=&amp]I did not realize this :

[/FONT] the witness, Mohamed Belkhadir, had left the mosque at the end of prayers and was near the building when he heard shots. Returning inside, he called 911 and began helping a friend who had been shot.[FONT=&amp]

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/01/31/quebec-city-hospital-to-provide-update-on-wounded-victims-of-terror-attack.html


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[Inthedetails]

A definite possibility. At the same time, I imagine that there are few AK-47 clones in Canada to steal.

He could have purchased stolen weapons from a Canadian source, but one poster implied that such purchases were hard to arrange in Canada unless one has deep under world connections. If the terrorist does not speak English, then his potential underworld connections are going to be even more limited.

Some reports imply that "B" had two AK-47 type weapons and pistols with him. I think Canada has limitations on pistols as well, so it might be possible to see if they originated in the US or were purchased legally in Canada. In short, perhaps the lone wolf is part of a pack and obtained the weapons from other sympathizers?


I agree. At the same time, I wonder where he got the weapon(s) that are banned in Canada from?

I wonder too. He had a connection somehow. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I have doubts it was an AK. I am thinking it was one that resembled an AK, Lots of people that don't know the difference, (like journalist) will just jump to what they think they know. When added features to a long gun, like pistol grips, or 20-30 round mags the gun can take on a different appearance, we'll see.

Top 10 non restricted black rifles in Canada

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/rifle-reviews/top-10-non-restricted-black-rifles-in-canada/

 

[HoneyWest]

Looks like he may have planned this attack for awhile.

The French-Canadian student accused of killing six people during evening prayers in a Quebec City mosque had rented an apartment nearby, neighbors said on Tuesday, a sign he may have been targeting the house of worship.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-idUSKBN15F1RX

 

[Elley Mae]

Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, was charged on Monday with six counts of first-degree murder and five counts of attempted murder with a restricted weapon after Sunday evening's massacre at the Centre Culturel Islamique de Québec. Police said he acted alone.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-idUSKBN15F1RX

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restricted firearm means

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-19.html#h-37

prohibited firearm means

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Firearms Prescribed as Restricted

The firearm of the design commonly known as the M-16 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:


Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13 (in effect since January 1, 1995)

The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the:

http://www.gunownersresource.com/faq/what-guns-are-banned-in-canada/


bbm

 

[Cryptic]

Alexandre Bissonnette, 27, was charged on Monday with six counts of first-degree murder and five counts of attempted murder with a restricted weapon after Sunday evening's massacre at the Centre Culturel Islamique de Québec.

So that brings up the questions of from whom did he get the weapon and how hard is it to illegally purchase such a weapon in Canada?

I think the harder it is to obtain such a weapon in Canada raises the possibility of sympathizers, possibly from the US, actively aiding 'B'.

 

[Elley Mae]

So that brings up the questions of from whom did he get the weapon and how hard is it to illegally purchase such a weapon in Canada?

I think the harder it is to obtain such a weapon in Canada raises the possibility of sympathizers, possibly from the US, actively aiding 'B'.

From the restricted list, canada's justice laws webpage.

restricted firearm means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm that

(i) is not a prohibited firearm,

(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and

(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm; (arme à feu à autorisation restreinte)


bbm He did not have to acquire it from the usa

It could have been his

Firearms licence

Individuals must be at least 18 to get a licence authorizing them to have restricted firearms.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

 

[HoneyWest]

Elley Mae, I don't understand why you're concentrating on the type of gun that was used to massacre these people. Can you explain to me? I do not care at all about the type of gun; I care only about what happened.

 

[CoolJ]

From the restricted list, canada's justice laws webpage.

restricted firearm means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm that

(i) is not a prohibited firearm,

(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and

(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm; (arme à feu à autorisation restreinte)


bbm He did not have to acquire it from the usa

It could have been his

Firearms licence

Individuals must be at least 18 to get a licence authorizing them to have restricted firearms.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/restr-eng.htm

Trying to understand what you are saying here. Are you saying he could have purchased an AK-47 with a firearms license?

 

[Cryptic]

Elley Mae,

Thanks again for the clarifications. I thought restricted meant "banned". I know see that he only needed to have a license.

Elley Mae, I don't understand why you're concentrating on the type of gun that was used to massacre these people. Can you explain to me? I do not care at all about the type of gun; I care only about what happened.

I raised the issue first. Basically, if the terrorist was using an illegal and difficult to obtain fire arm, there is a greater chance that he received help in obtaining it. This could well mean that there are other plotters out there.

But, as Elley Mae is showing, 'B' could have legally purchased the weapon with a license. This lessens the chance of others being involved.