CANADA Canada - Sonia Varaschin, 42, Orangeville, 29 Aug 2010 - #3

[Gina20]

That's a good reminder, FG. From Sonia's mom: "She asked if I would bake a cake because a friend was coming from Jasper, Alberta, on Wednesday" (Sonia Varaschin's final days filled with strife, mother says)
I don't remember anymore if we knew if this friend was male or female. While I'm very sure LE would have checked the visitor angle out thoroughly, I wish we were privy to the answers (did Sonia's family know the friend? did Sonia tell them the friend's name? Was it a female friend? Was the friend in Ontario already? Etc.)

Also:
Coming back to the "young and noisy" neighbours: do we know if any of them gave statements to police -- do we know if any of them were the witnesses who stated they heard screaming (and tires squealing)? We know already of the issue of sound travel between their units and Sonia's, because of her noise complaints. What did those young tenants hear/say they heard that Sunday night/early Monday morn? What were their activities during that time span?

I know that one of the men interviewed by reporters was charged in a drug case in the intervening years.

I also noted that a property on Spring Street was in the news since then, due to chronic bylaw infractions.

Spring Street might not have been so quiet after all.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Can't find Sonia's home on Google maps ...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

That's a good reminder, FG. From Sonia's mom: "She asked if I would bake a cake because a friend was coming from Jasper, Alberta, on Wednesday" (Sonia Varaschin's final days filled with strife, mother says)
I don't remember anymore if we knew if this friend was male or female. While I'm very sure LE would have checked the visitor angle out thoroughly, I wish we were privy to the answers (did Sonia's family know the friend? did Sonia tell them the friend's name? Was it a female friend? Was the friend in Ontario already? Etc.)

Also:
Coming back to the "young and noisy" neighbours: do we know if any of them gave statements to police -- do we know if any of them were the witnesses who stated they heard screaming (and tires squealing)? We know already of the issue of sound travel between their units and Sonia's, because of her noise complaints. What did those young tenants hear/say they heard that Sunday night/early Monday morn? What were their activities during that time span?

Afaik, the witness, who heard the tires squealing, was Sonia's married neighbour right next door.

ETA: Found a link ---> Concern mounts for Sonia Varaschin, missing from Orangeville | National Post
Neighbour Steffen Lundy, a resident of the quiet, dead-end Spring Street, heard a ruckus late Sunday night in the vicinity of Ms. Varaschin’s home.

“I was sleeping and pretty much woke up to car tires squealing … and yelling,” Mr. Lundy recalled.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Orangeville police sergeant caught in lengthy disciplinary process

Written in 2013, relating to 2010/2011.
Nothing to do with Sonia, but with police in Orangeville.

 

[2soccermom]

Afaik, the witness, who heard the tires squealing, was Sonia's married neighbour right next door.

ETA: Found a link ---> Concern mounts for Sonia Varaschin, missing from Orangeville | National Post
Neighbour Steffen Lundy, a resident of the quiet, dead-end Spring Street, heard a ruckus late Sunday night in the vicinity of Ms. Varaschin’s home.

“I was sleeping and pretty much woke up to car tires squealing … and yelling,” Mr. Lundy recalled.

Thanks for the post, FG! [To clarify, the married neighbour and the neighbour (SL) interviewed in the link, are not the same person. One female neighbour (KF) who lived "right next door" didn't hear anything
http://www.brantconnection.ca/Articl...aspx?e=2737537, nor did another (CW) who had her windows open: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/orangevil...g-woman-s-bloodied-car-1.547747#ixzz3RjARuC1x
Thanks to all who posted those links over the years, including FG and Matou among others.]

The brothers (SL and BL-20) were young; I assume (-?) they were not the "young and noisy" renters on whom Sonia often had to report disturbance complaints (I imagine LE would have been all over that, not only because of the complaints but because of the media insertion in the context of bad history). Do we know who those latter young neighbours were, and if they made comments to media? What did they say to police? Did they have a strong alibi? What did they hear that night?

 

[2soccermom]

Thanks for your post, Gina20!
It gets me re-thinking....

There are still so many questions lingering about the area. The original FBI profile indicated the perp would have been very familiar with the area (but not necessarily with Sonia herself). He took her down the front steps of her home. What was the lighting like over her front porch? Did he know there would be no motion-detection lights triggered (as I assume there weren't)? Would he have known there would be little to no traffic there in the front? Is there any blood or other evidence inside the house that he may have been looking for an inside door from the house to garage (access from the home to garage has been the subject of considerable debate on this site)? Was he lucky or did he indeed know things? And if the latter: did he know things because of surveillance/stalking, or because he was living in the area already, or because he knew Sonia, and may have been in her home before? What answers to these questions might the evidence details offer? These are details we don't have. What does LE know?

Where are her car keys? Did he have to frantically search for them (evidence of rifling through kitchen or hallway drawers or cupboards?) or does it seem by the evidence he knew exactly where to find them? Where are the car keys now? Were they ever located - left in the car? Found discarded somewhere? Does LE think the killer still has them?
We can't know because we don't have any of these details.(Unless I've missed something in the news.)
I know other posters have been thinking through these ideas. It's awful to only re-hash questions because answers remain so elusive. Aaaarrrghhhhh.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Thanks for the post, FG! [To clarify, the married neighbour and the neighbour (SL) interviewed in the link, are not the same person. One female neighbour (KF) who lived "right next door" didn't hear anything
http://www.brantconnection.ca/Articl...aspx?e=2737537, nor did another (CW) who had her windows open: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/orangevil...g-woman-s-bloodied-car-1.547747#ixzz3RjARuC1x
Thanks to all who posted those links over the years, including FG and Matou among others.]

The brothers (SL and BL-20) were young; I assume (-?) they were not the "young and noisy" renters on whom Sonia often had to report disturbance complaints (I imagine LE would have been all over that, not only because of the complaints but because of the media insertion in the context of bad history). Do we know who those latter young neighbours were, and if they made comments to media? What did they say to police? Did they have a strong alibi? What did they hear that night?

I wondered about the neighbour SL myself, because he didn't look like the neighbour, I had seen pictured time ago.

 

[Gina20]

Thanks for your post, Gina20!
It gets me re-thinking....

There are still so many questions lingering about the area. The original FBI profile indicated the perp would have been very familiar with the area (but not necessarily with Sonia herself). He took her down the front steps of her home. What was the lighting like over her front porch? Did he know there would be no motion-detection lights triggered (as I assume there weren't)? Would he have known there would be little to no traffic there in the front? Is there any blood or other evidence inside the house that he may have been looking for an inside door from the house to garage (access from the home to garage has been the subject of considerable debate on this site)? Was he lucky or did he indeed know things? And if the latter: did he know things because of surveillance/stalking, or because he was living in the area already, or because he knew Sonia, and may have been in her home before? What answers to these questions might the evidence details offer? These are details we don't have. What does LE know?

Where are her car keys? Did he have to frantically search for them (evidence of rifling through kitchen or hallway drawers or cupboards?) or does it seem by the evidence he knew exactly where to find them? Where are the car keys now? Were they ever located - left in the car? Found discarded somewhere? Does LE think the killer still has them?
We can't know because we don't have any of these details.(Unless I've missed something in the news.)
I know other posters have been thinking through these ideas. It's awful to only re-hash questions because answers remain so elusive. Aaaarrrghhhhh.

I know that the three-storey version of Sonia's townhouse does have a door to the garage inside the unit. I have watched real estate sales videos for the complex. By the way, units in the complex seem to have had a lot of turnover in the intervening years, IMO. Someone could easily be familiar with the layout of Sonia's unit if they lived in another unit in the same complex, or toured one that was for sale.

A well-known retail clothing store has a distribution warehouse in Bolton now, and I think this part of Ontario area has changed a lot. More development, warehouses, distribution centres, etc.

I have gone back again and again to viewpoints on Google Maps. I think it is quite possible that someone could have surveilled the townhouse complex and Sonia's unit from Townline Road, maybe at the carwash?

I find it amazing that no media (to my knowledge) picked up on the home-based towing company on Spring Street, at the entrance to the townhouse complex, and how the owner also owned another property at the entrance to the complex. Surely a tow truck driver would be out and about at various hours of the day and night, and would know what's going on like no one else. Why didn't anyone get insights from him?

So many missing pieces of the puzzle. Everything relevant seems to be holdback information, and now so many people have moved away. Will there be anyone left to remember that night on Spring Street? I recall that many have also moved away from the location where Sonia was found.

 

[dotr]

Cannot recall if this was already posted or not..
Jan 28 2020
O.J. Simpson prosecutor challenges Sonia Varaschin murder investigators to test Canadian law on familial DNA testing
''In 2012, as I prepared to give a talk on familial DNA searching to Canada's National DNA Advisory Board, I came across the 2010 unsolved murder of Sonia Varaschin and decided to use the example in my talk.''

''As a result of my talk, it became clear that some DNA Board members felt that Canada's legislation needed to be changed to explicitly permit familial DNA searching.''

''The list goes on and on. It's not just the Varaschin murder that might be solved. It is any other serious crime with DNA evidence. Using DNA in any manner also prevents future crimes.''

 

[2soccermom]

I know that the three-storey version of Sonia's townhouse does have a door to the garage inside the unit. I have watched real estate sales videos for the complex.

[... RSNBM]


I find it amazing that no media (to my knowledge) picked up on the home-based towing company on Spring Street, at the entrance to the townhouse complex, and how the owner also owned another property at the entrance to the complex. Surely a tow truck driver would be out and about at various hours of the day and night, and would know what's going on like no one else. Why didn't anyone get insights from him? [... RSNBM]

Wow, Gina20: two really key bits of info here. I remember all the back and forth discussion we had here on WS and also on the now-defunct Canadian sleuthing site UC about the interior garage door. I cannot fathom why he removed Sonia via the front door -- I would imagine that's more work (stairs) and certainly more visible than putting her in the car via a private interior door. In the absence of other info, this details keeps wriggling at me. Someone on one of the sites was VERY sure that Sonia's townhouse did NOT have an interior door (seems wholly bizarre to me from a buyer's perspective that you'd always have to walk outside and navigate steps for access -- for groceries, heavy items etc) but IIRC correctly someone felt VERY sure this was the case for Sonia's home. If so, that's an easy explanation for the blood on the front steps. IF not:
there are far, far, far more questions. Did Sonia have the interior access blocked off and if so, why? (temporary storage items -- or maybe fear of someone waiting in her garage? I'm thinking of Audrey Gleave who was brutally murdered and apparently disclosed to her brother-in-law many years before that she suspected she would be attacked and killed in her home). Or? Was her car not parked in her garage that day/eve? Would it be typical or atypical for her to park in the drive? I think someone posted years ago they thought she always used the garage, but I'm not sure if that was confirmed. If she usually parked in the garage and this day was parked in the drive (does LE have that info??) -- why? Could she have taken a little run out, say, to the store (after the call with the bf in the eve) and was accosted? Is it possible someone didn't attack her in her home but forced her back there? Did he have her keys right from the start?
These questions all heavily challenge my own assumptions about what happened....
Further: I have always assumed from my first encounters with the info that Sonia was attacked without opportunity to fight back, and that the blood on the steps is the result from (sorry for the awful details ) her body, wrapped in her bedding, being moved down the front steps to the car. But: IF her car was in the garage (?), and IF there was an accessible door from the inside to the garage (?), is another explanation required? Is there any possibility (and this is worse for me to speculate, and I'm sorry for the thought -- it's very painful): could Sonia have been fleeing? Hence the screams (which, to be honest, I have not credited as related in past)?

Or does this possibility (there IS an interior door, it was accessible, and Sonia's car WAS in the garage) support the LE profile about the "risky" behaviour and some posters' assumptions about drugs and disorganization (another theory that is distinct from mine) -- he panicked and ran out the door rather than thinking to use the garage? (But I'm back to the Q: how did he think to get her keys?)

My word. My head and heart both hurt in trying to figure this out. I think I'm feeling really, really weary waiting for this to be solved. I know all the many many people who knew Sonia well and who loved her deeply (which I know is a LOT of folks) will feel this exponentially worse....

Finally, Gina20: the tow truck co in the complex. Often such businesses have additional security (that may relate to the nature of the business): did this home-based business have cameras and if so, what views of the area would be covered? I'm sure LE has been on this. But it's tough not to be privy / be sure.

 

[Gina20]

Sonia could have stepped outside in a nightgown and housecoat, keys in hand, to make a noise complaint at the neighbor's unit. Jumped from behind?

The tow truck house is on the main drag of Spring Street, right across from the only road leading into the complex. Security footage from there would have caught the car, in all likelihood. If there is footage.

People in the complex and people living on the main drag would have heard different things, or nothing. The media treated them all the same. The complex is kind of isolated down the entry road. Those living beside and across from the entry road could have seen or heard the car. Screams in her unit wouldn't be audible from the main road, IMO.

I wondered if she was attacked at the entryway to her unit (answering for a familiar face of some kind) or on the doorstep, and forced into her home, then attacked inside.

No sign of forced entry? This simply means no one jimmied the door, or broke the glass. It doesn't eliminate someone pushing her backwards into her own home, or opening the door with her keys. This does not preclude someone dragging her back outside afterwards via the front door, either.

Those keys. There must be a reason we have heard nothing about the keys.

 

[Gina20]

Police often talk about allegiances changing over time, and how that might lead to someone coming forward with the passage of time in unsolved cases like the murder of Sonia Varaschin. They told us someone might know someone who came home with blood on their clothes, or who bought new boots, or increased their reliance on drugs and alcohol, or moved around the time of Sonia's murder. And yet 10 years have passed. What is preventing someone like this from coming forward? What are they afraid of? It must be pretty significant if they live in fear to this day. Maybe this person has ties that cannot be broken. Does such a person exist, and have police revisited them to see if their allegiances have changed over time?

More questions with no answers.

 

[jash]

Wow, Gina20: two really key bits of info here. I remember all the back and forth discussion we had here on WS and also on the now-defunct Canadian sleuthing site UC about the interior garage door. I cannot fathom why he removed Sonia via the front door -- I would imagine that's more work (stairs) and certainly more visible than putting her in the car via a private interior door. In the absence of other info, this details keeps wriggling at me. Someone on one of the sites was VERY sure that Sonia's townhouse did NOT have an interior door (seems wholly bizarre to me from a buyer's perspective that you'd always have to walk outside and navigate steps for access -- for groceries, heavy items etc) but IIRC correctly someone felt VERY sure this was the case for Sonia's home. If so, that's an easy explanation for the blood on the front steps. IF not:
there are far, far, far more questions. Did Sonia have the interior access blocked off and if so, why? (temporary storage items -- or maybe fear of someone waiting in her garage? I'm thinking of Audrey Gleave who was brutally murdered and apparently disclosed to her brother-in-law many years before that she suspected she would be attacked and killed in her home). Or? Was her car not parked in her garage that day/eve? Would it be typical or atypical for her to park in the drive? I think someone posted years ago they thought she always used the garage, but I'm not sure if that was confirmed. If she usually parked in the garage and this day was parked in the drive (does LE have that info??) -- why? Could she have taken a little run out, say, to the store (after the call with the bf in the eve) and was accosted? Is it possible someone didn't attack her in her home but forced her back there? Did he have her keys right from the start?
These questions all heavily challenge my own assumptions about what happened....
Further: I have always assumed from my first encounters with the info that Sonia was attacked without opportunity to fight back, and that the blood on the steps is the result from (sorry for the awful details ) her body, wrapped in her bedding, being moved down the front steps to the car. But: IF her car was in the garage (?), and IF there was an accessible door from the inside to the garage (?), is another explanation required? Is there any possibility (and this is worse for me to speculate, and I'm sorry for the thought -- it's very painful): could Sonia have been fleeing? Hence the screams (which, to be honest, I have not credited as related in past)?

Or does this possibility (there IS an interior door, it was accessible, and Sonia's car WAS in the garage) support the LE profile about the "risky" behaviour and some posters' assumptions about drugs and disorganization (another theory that is distinct from mine) -- he panicked and ran out the door rather than thinking to use the garage? (But I'm back to the Q: how did he think to get her keys?)

My word. My head and heart both hurt in trying to figure this out. I think I'm feeling really, really weary waiting for this to be solved. I know all the many many people who knew Sonia well and who loved her deeply (which I know is a LOT of folks) will feel this exponentially worse....

Finally, Gina20: the tow truck co in the complex. Often such businesses have additional security (that may relate to the nature of the business): did this home-based business have cameras and if so, what views of the area would be covered? I'm sure LE has been on this. But it's tough not to be privy / be sure.

I've spent some time going through old real estate photos and descriptions for units in the complex. I only found two that specifically mentioned direct entry into home through the garage (but not for Sonia's specific unit - #21 - although one looked to be the same layout).

House Sigma is a great site for historical listings. You need to sign up to view I believe but here is the listing for Sonia's unit in 2006: HouseSigma - Toronto Real Estate Sold Price and Home Valuation
There are also some photos from her unit being listed in 2012 (for some reason I can't link to it specifically but if you filter for sold properties in 2012 it comes up).

Based on this photo, I don't see a door where I'd expect there to be one but maybe it's blocked.

Orangeville police find missing woman's bloodied car

 

[Gina20]

Wow, Gina20: two really key bits of info here. I remember all the back and forth discussion we had here on WS and also on the now-defunct Canadian sleuthing site UC about the interior garage door. I cannot fathom why he removed Sonia via the front door -- I would imagine that's more work (stairs) and certainly more visible than putting her in the car via a private interior door. In the absence of other info, this details keeps wriggling at me. Someone on one of the sites was VERY sure that Sonia's townhouse did NOT have an interior door (seems wholly bizarre to me from a buyer's perspective that you'd always have to walk outside and navigate steps for access -- for groceries, heavy items etc) but IIRC correctly someone felt VERY sure this was the case for Sonia's home. If so, that's an easy explanation for the blood on the front steps. IF not:
there are far, far, far more questions. Did Sonia have the interior access blocked off and if so, why? (temporary storage items -- or maybe fear of someone waiting in her garage? I'm thinking of Audrey Gleave who was brutally murdered and apparently disclosed to her brother-in-law many years before that she suspected she would be attacked and killed in her home). Or? Was her car not parked in her garage that day/eve? Would it be typical or atypical for her to park in the drive? I think someone posted years ago they thought she always used the garage, but I'm not sure if that was confirmed. If she usually parked in the garage and this day was parked in the drive (does LE have that info??) -- why? Could she have taken a little run out, say, to the store (after the call with the bf in the eve) and was accosted? Is it possible someone didn't attack her in her home but forced her back there? Did he have her keys right from the start?
These questions all heavily challenge my own assumptions about what happened....
Further: I have always assumed from my first encounters with the info that Sonia was attacked without opportunity to fight back, and that the blood on the steps is the result from (sorry for the awful details ) her body, wrapped in her bedding, being moved down the front steps to the car. But: IF her car was in the garage (?), and IF there was an accessible door from the inside to the garage (?), is another explanation required? Is there any possibility (and this is worse for me to speculate, and I'm sorry for the thought -- it's very painful): could Sonia have been fleeing? Hence the screams (which, to be honest, I have not credited as related in past)?

Or does this possibility (there IS an interior door, it was accessible, and Sonia's car WAS in the garage) support the LE profile about the "risky" behaviour and some posters' assumptions about drugs and disorganization (another theory that is distinct from mine) -- he panicked and ran out the door rather than thinking to use the garage? (But I'm back to the Q: how did he think to get her keys?)

My word. My head and heart both hurt in trying to figure this out. I think I'm feeling really, really weary waiting for this to be solved. I know all the many many people who knew Sonia well and who loved her deeply (which I know is a LOT of folks) will feel this exponentially worse....

Finally, Gina20: the tow truck co in the complex. Often such businesses have additional security (that may relate to the nature of the business): did this home-based business have cameras and if so, what views of the area would be covered? I'm sure LE has been on this. But it's tough not to be privy / be sure.

I was not aware that Orangeville does not have an OPP impound lot for towed vehicles. When a vehicle is towed at the request of the police, the vehicle can be taken to the private property of the towing company for storage. Some companies or individuals store the vehicles outdoors. Others have indoor storage areas. Police are concerned about vehicles that have been involved in crimes being stored outdoors, where evidence may degrade. Security is also an issue. This is causing friction with the towing companies that only have outdoor storage. One driver mentioned taking this type of vehicle to OPD on Centre Street before the switchover to the OPP. Can someone tell me where that was?

Some issues here:

‘To the consumer, this is not fair’: Tow truck driver calls on Orangeville to take public oversight of towing industry

‘To the consumer, this is not fair’: Tow truck driver calls on Orangeville to take public oversight of towing industry

So, back in 2010, various vehicles were stored in various locations all over town, depending on why they were towed. This is still the case, but with OPD gone, there is no police storage lot now.

Conflicts arise over towing, so how quiet was Spring Street in 2010, with a lot of towed vehicles across the street from the road leading to Sonia's complex? What if someone went to reclaim a vehicle, but couldn't, and went prowling for vehicles parked outside in the townhouse complex? Could explain why someone drove Sonia's vehicle, and returned to town.

One more thing. Police said recently that they do have a vehicle on video speeding away from the scene. Does that mean there was a security cam on Spring Street after all?

 

[Gina20]

DATA keeping tow truck operators’ heads above water

Towing discussed here.

 

[Gina20]

FWIW, in 2014, a 26-year-old Mississauga man was arrested and charged in Orangeville for car prowling. Four years later, he was arrested and charged after carjacking a minivan in Mississauga with a 96-year-old disabled woman in the front passenger seat. He abandoned the vehicle with her in it, and she was found unharmed in Oakville. Not that a career car thief would turn into a cold-blooded killer, but clearly this man escalated his behavior, becoming bolder over time. Was he part of an organized theft ring?

Also, Orangeville is a bedroom community, and GTA crime and criminals spill over into this area. Saying that whoever killed Sonia was familiar with the countryside where Sonia was left does not make this person a local. There was a lot happening in the region in 2010, with the G8, G20 and preparation for the 2015 Pan Am Games. There was even a movie filmed in Orangeville in the spring of 2010, with Donald Sutherland. Many people not from the area were moving around, and could have been familiar with the area without being long-term residents. Caledon has long been a dumping ground for people murdered in the big city and environs.

After a decade, isn't it time to broaden the scope? IMO, it seems unlikely that Sonia's killer was unfamiliar with violence. It is my opinion that this person was violent before, and may have killed before. We don't know details of what happened on that night, so it's impossible for us to see any commonalities with other crimes, or a pattern of escalation. Surely it's time to consider other possibilities. The public profile hinted at stalking behavior. We know from past crimes, including a famous Ontario double murderer from 2010, that stalking behavior escalates.

Further afield, who fits the FBI profile, stalking and murdering low-risk individuals at home? Why is this person slipping under the radar, and how many victims are there?

Maybe the answer can be found in an old CBC-TV interview with retired FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt. He mentioned trucking as a profession, and a person who travels long distances between crimes, as an example.

 

[dotr]

FWIW, in 2014, a 26-year-old Mississauga man was arrested and charged in Orangeville for car prowling. Four years later, he was arrested and charged after carjacking a minivan in Mississauga with a 96-year-old disabled woman in the front passenger seat. He abandoned the vehicle with her in it, and she was found unharmed in Oakville. Not that a career car thief would turn into a cold-blooded killer, but clearly this man escalated his behavior, becoming bolder over time. Was he part of an organized theft ring?

Also, Orangeville is a bedroom community, and GTA crime and criminals spill over into this area. Saying that whoever killed Sonia was familiar with the countryside where Sonia was left does not make this person a local. There was a lot happening in the region in 2010, with the G8, G20 and preparation for the 2015 Pan Am Games. There was even a movie filmed in Orangeville in the spring of 2010, with Donald Sutherland. Many people not from the area were moving around, and could have been familiar with the area without being long-term residents. Caledon has long been a dumping ground for people murdered in the big city and environs.

After a decade, isn't it time to broaden the scope? IMO, it seems unlikely that Sonia's killer was unfamiliar with violence. It is my opinion that this person was violent before, and may have killed before. We don't know details of what happened on that night, so it's impossible for us to see any commonalities with other crimes, or a pattern of escalation. Surely it's time to consider other possibilities. The public profile hinted at stalking behavior. We know from past crimes, including a famous Ontario double murderer from 2010, that stalking behavior escalates.

Further afield, who fits the FBI profile, stalking and murdering low-risk individuals at home? Why is this person slipping under the radar, and how many victims are there?

Maybe the answer can be found in an old CBC-TV interview with retired FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt. He mentioned trucking as a profession, and a person who travels long distances between crimes, as an example.

Not likely, but wouldn't it be something if Adam Strong, known to have worked as film security, also worked on this film?
Film starring Donald Sutherland, U2's Larry Mullen Jr. shot in Orangeville makes American debut
2011
''The quaint small town scenery of Orangeville is being seen on the big screen south of the border.

Man on the Train, starring Donald Sutherland and U2 drummer Larry Mullen Jr., which was filmed mostly in Orangeville in the spring of 2010, is now premiering in select locations across the United States.''
Dismemberment accused 'just plain weird': Source | Toronto Sun
Apr 22, 2018
''The man accused in the sick dismemberment of Oshawa teen Rori Hache was a “bizarre creep” who was twice canned from his film security jobs, the Toronto Sun has learned.''
speculation.

 

[Deleted member 275109]

Dotr, that’s a good tip to share with someone who can check it out.

 

[Gina20]

Not likely, but wouldn't it be something if Adam Strong, known to have worked as film security, also worked on this film?
Film starring Donald Sutherland, U2's Larry Mullen Jr. shot in Orangeville makes American debut
2011
''The quaint small town scenery of Orangeville is being seen on the big screen south of the border.

Man on the Train, starring Donald Sutherland and U2 drummer Larry Mullen Jr., which was filmed mostly in Orangeville in the spring of 2010, is now premiering in select locations across the United States.''
Dismemberment accused 'just plain weird': Source | Toronto Sun
Apr 22, 2018
''The man accused in the sick dismemberment of Oshawa teen Rori Hache was a “bizarre creep” who was twice canned from his film security jobs, the Toronto Sun has learned.''
speculation.

I hope investigators are looking at him. People interviewed have said this would spread further than the two murder cases on trial, and so it should. I think of Audrey Gleave, too.

Do we know where scenes were shot in Man on the Train? Has anyone seen it?

Strange that he also worked in a coffee shop. He owned a boat, too. Travelling long distances between crimes might not be noticed, if it were for work or pursuit of a hobby.

 

[dotr]

I hope investigators are looking at him. People interviewed have said this would spread further than the two murder cases on trial, and so it should. I think of Audrey Gleave, too.

Do we know where scenes were shot in Man on the Train? Has anyone seen it?

Strange that he also worked in a coffee shop. He owned a boat, too. Travelling long distances between crimes might not be noticed, if it were for work or pursuit of a hobby.

Other films shot in Orangeville..fwiw
Filming Location Matching "Orangeville, Ontario, Canada" (Sorted by Popularity Ascending) - IMDb

''Man On The Train 2011 Orangeville, On set''

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