GUILTY Canada - Taylor Van Diest, 18, beaten to death, Armstrong, BC, 31 Oct 2011

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not saying this is related to Taylor's murderer...
Woman abducted from sex shop
November 24, 2011
Mounties are hunting for a suspect after a Kamloops, B.C., woman was abducted Wednesday afternoon from a sex shop where she works.

The 39-year-old woman turned up at a home in Westmount, B.C., at about 9:30 p.m., RCMP said.

An ambulance took her to hospital. Police haven't released details about the extent of her injuries.

RCMP found the woman's pickup truck, which was used in her abduction, early Thursday, the station reports.

No description of the suspect has been released.

read more: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2011/11/24/19014901.html
 
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http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...iest_111124/20111124/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome
By: Bethany Lindsay, ctvbc.ca

Date: Thursday Nov. 24, 2011 6:08 PM PT


Even though police have the DNA of the man they believe murdered Taylor Van Diest, they can't trace him because he doesn't show up in any genetic database. But what if his father or brother did?

Samples found at the scene of the 18-year-old's murder on Halloween match just one other RCMP file -- an unsolved sex assault at a Kelowna escort service in 2005. Because the man was never caught, police haven't been able to match a name to the DNA.

That leaves investigators with just a six-year-old description of a man with bushy sideburns to guide their quest to find the man responsible for the random killing that has put a small B.C. town on edge for the last month. Mounties are now circulating a composite drawing based on that description in the hope that someone, somewhere, will recognize their suspect.

But if this were California or the U.K., police would have one more tool that could help them track down the killer, by checking to see if any of their family members are in the criminal system.

A technique known as familial DNA searching -- not currently permitted in Canada -- allows investigators to search for close, partial matches in genetic data banks. That means that police can identify criminals who might be the unnamed suspect's brother, father or sister
 
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So is it looking like this perp wrote the letter?

I am wondering if dna found on the letter led to making the connection between the previous sex assault and the assault on Taylor. If so, that could mean that the threats are real and that the perp is 'playing" on a whole different wavelength than the usual maniacs. Imo.
 
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http://www.empoweringchange.net/2011/11/for-immediate-release/
"In the wake of several recent high profile cases of women and girls being murdered in the context of sexualized violence, the Central Okanagan Elizabeth Fry Society has issued a joint statement in partnership with the Ending Violence Association of BC calling for a better response to sexual assault in BC".


"The Ending Violence Association of BC has been calling for a provincial sexual assault cross-ministry policy for decades, similar to the one BC has for domestic violence. EVA BC’s executive director, Tracy Porteous, stated “With BC facing such a high number of murdered and missing women, and most of these we know or assume to be sexual violence deaths, we must act!” She went on to say that “in 2005, the RCMP outlined that if you are a sex offender in the province of BC right now, you have a 98.5% chance of getting away with it. Yet since this was uncovered, nothing has been done to address these issues.” Chronic waitlists are standard for most of BC’s specialized violence against women programs and not enough is being done to intervene upon early sex offender behavior before it escalates to deadly levels. “Serious sexual predators are not born,” stated Porteous, “but start by committing lower level sex offences which must be taken seriously and intervened upon.”



"Solutions are needed at the highest levels of government to address sexual assault. Let’s learn from what is happening in other places such as Ontario, which recently went through its own process to develop a comprehensive sexual violence strategic plan for that province."
 
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Re: JF .. His DNA would be in the data bank as a known offender due to his conviction of sexual assault.
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As per my previous post

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Taylor Van Diest teen from BC Halloween murder.


If the criteria to be ordered to submit DNA is for "more than one sexual assault" as stated in the article, it is possible JF was only convicted of the one sexual assault and that any others were just charges that never went to conviction.
 
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Since the Kamloops adbuction suspect has a prior history of sexual assault, I would expect that his DNA is in the known offender DNA bank. I don't think he killed Taylor, although he matches in other aspects such as age, similar nose, etc. He is a sexual predator and dangerous, no doubt. For some reason, police are not confirming or denying who they have in custody of the Kamloops abduction. Residents say JF was taken into custody on Thursday.

http://www.globaltvbc.com/police+ti...loops+abduction+suspect/6442529360/story.html
 
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Okay ... billy is WRONG again :)

According to Parole Board comments when he applied for release, he did have at least one more sexual assault conviction:

from:
http://www.kamloopsthisweek.com/news/134482148.html

“Notably, you were subject to a probation order at the time as a result of a sexual assault you had been convicted of in 2003,” it reads.

I shall stop flogging the JF issue as it relates to a potential perp in Taylor's case.

I shall leave the flogging of JF to the other inmates ;) and the judicial system.
 
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Since the Kamloops adbuction suspect has a prior history of sexual assault, I would expect that his DNA is in the known offender DNA bank. I don't think he killed Taylor, although he matches in other aspects such as age, similar nose, etc. He is a sexual predator and dangerous, no doubt. For some reason, police are not confirming or denying who they have in custody of the Kamloops abduction. Residents say JF was taken into custody on Thursday.

Yup. Dangerous for sure, and facing six charges in this abduction:

http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/...ffender-froese-faces-six-charges-in-abduction

http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/134502793.html

Well on his way to being designated a dangerous offender, I'd think.

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Tips pour in after suspect sketch released in B.C. murder investigation


VANCOUVER &#8212; RCMP officers have received more than 150 new tips in 24 hours after releasing a sketch of a male suspect in the murder of a British Columbia teenager.

RCMP spokesman Cpl. Dan Moskaluk said on Thursday that police have handled a total of 500 tips since Taylor Van Diest, 18, was murdered on Halloween night in Armstrong, B.C. It appeared to be a random attack, he said.

Read more: [URL="http://www.theprovince.com/news/Tips+pour+after+suspect+sketch+released+murder+investigation/5763758/story.html#ixzz1em42Xwgz"]http://www.theprovince.com/news/Tips+pour+after+suspect+sketch+released+murder+investigation/5763758/story.html#ixzz1em42Xwgz[/URL]


Moskaluk said Van Diest's murder has shaken the entire Armstrong community &#8212; which has a population of approximately 4,500 &#8212; where police are canvassing door-to-door.


"They've knocked on a lot of doors, they've talked to upwards of 2,000 people," he said. "We're not leaving any stone unturned."


Read more: [URL="http://www.theprovince.com/news/Tips+pour+after+suspect+sketch+released+murder+investigation/5763758/story.html#ixzz1em4ZIATH"]http://www.theprovince.com/news/Tips+pour+after+suspect+sketch+released+murder+investigation/5763758/story.html#ixzz1em4ZIATH[/URL]


BBM: Only 2,500 to go.
 
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Thanks for the timeline,maps,and community events calendar, Canadian Candy.

So, many people would have been making their way to the fireworks, during the time which Taylor was attacked. The fireworks started at 7:45 pm that night.

It is such a bold attack, to do this the night of Hallowe'en with SO many people out in that community.
 
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Thanks for the timeline,maps,and community events calendar, Canadian Candy.

So, many people would have been making their way to the fireworks, during the time which Taylor was attacked. The fireworks started at 7:45 pm that night.

It is such a bold attack, to do this the night of Hallowe'en with SO many people out in that community.

I agree that it was 'bold' (although I would rather characterize it as compulsive) to attack at that time of day. However, I'm not so sure that there were a lot of people out and about at the exact time that Taylor was attacked. It's a small town. It wouldn't take long for anyone to get to the fairgrounds. So, I am going to presume that most people were home having their supper and then getting in their costumes. I recall reading a comment (attached to a news article) where a woman was out walking with her child just before 6:00 and she saw Taylor walking up the street. She said that there weren't many people out and about at that time. I'm going to guess that an hour later there were many more.
 
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RCMP confirm High Risk sex offender Jack Froese is the man arrested in a Wednesday abduction and sex assault

VIDEO at link: http://cfjctv.com/story.php?id=5793

:justice: I like the suggestion to tattoo their foreheads :denied:
 
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@ wondergirl, you are most welcome, thank you and everyone else for the all the informative and thought provoking posts

@ Matou I wasn’t aware there was supposed to be other events that weekend other then the ones held by the city which were represented in the link I provided. I looked into your link and discovered that the idea of a musical event by the band Cod Gone Wild was a misprint by a company which promotes such events for clubs etc.

COD.JPG

The facebook profile for the band and wall can be found in its entirety here

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cod-Gone-Wild/339474838923?sk=wall

Of course this still doesn’t rule out a possible temporary employment connection related to the actual Halloween festivities themselves. Although I would hope that if someone was late or a no show or appeared disheveled/scratched up upon arrival these facts would be included with their names in the tips provided to RCMP thus far. It will be interesting to see how the assailant came to be here on Halloween. I do have confidence he will be caught despite the 6yr old sketch , his previous crime and this one are in huge contrast with regards to media coverage and public outrage. I Unfortunately believe that in April 2005 the media coverage was minimal and the public not as concerned due to the victims profession/high risk lifestyle. This is all too common tragedy for these women and probably the reason why most assaults go unreported by them. I am not sure when we as a society will come the very realization that if these offenders can do it to these women then it will only be a matter of time before they find an opportunity to victimize a person of a more socially acceptable standing (This societal mind I am referring to is only my opinion and based on how I perceive the difference in coverage and public outrage to be in relation to the victims background) , after all in most cases it is probably less about their professions and more about the opportunistic nature of these types of offenders.


@ dotr IRT possible DNA on the letter leading to a match in Taylor’s investigation.

I don’t know if the police would have results for any DNA they may have been able to get from the letter, yet. Processing the results in Taylor’s case took about 3 weeks and would have been of highest priority (unfortunately we have a huge back log in all of our labs, making for longer then desirable wait times) and the letter was not received until Nov 9th, making any DNA results it may provide roughly 9 days behind her results. I may be totally wrong though, this is just my thoughts on it. Due to this I think the central and north Okanagan warning that came along with divulging the received letter had other reason(s) behind it. (e.g. a broadened scope to be cautious, perhaps a mail trace shows it came from someplace other then Armstrong even though it was delivered to the Armstrong detachment). The whole letter aspect is puzzling at best for me. I really hope they are able to trace it one way or another, be it DNA or mail trace. I am not sure how our mail system works really (letters are sort of a dinosaur notion now and the mail system is something I have little experience with). I would be interested to know if it is possible to trace mail in all/most circumstances back to its original pickup place (e.g. If a letter is sent from one town to another within the same region or sent from one address to another within the same town, can one or both be traced back to its original pick up location?)


@ silly billy I am sure he will be rightly flogged in prison, too bad he will most likely not spend his natural life in there being subjected to it.

I went and refreshed my recollection of our DNA identification act and found no criteria that mandated at least 2 convictions. The legalities behind collecting offender DNA is not number of crimes but rather the classification of crime(s) committed. Also I think it is important to explain that in Canada these designated offenses are not blanketed by a mandatory DNA order but rather are added on a case by case basis according to the requests of the crown, discretion of the judge and classification of the crime. Upon refreshing my recollection I found a recent review of our DNA information act . It is most interesting and enlightening, apparently the databank receives about 39,000 new samples per year under the current way we apply the act in collection of samples from known offenders. If this process was changed to mandatory collection and addition of DNA samples into the database for convicted offenders of the specified crime classifications this number would jump to about 113,000 per year. Currently our labs couldn’t handle it as they are not even funded well enough to handle their present demand. Apparently one of the 3 main Canadian labs has such a back log they have started to refuse/send back some samples inc those belonging to the crime scene/unknown offender classification samples. Without the processing of these samples the RCMP wouldn’t have been able to make the 2005 connection to Taylor’s investigation. It makes me sad to think about other crimes where these possible connections could be made but haven’t been as of yet due to inadequate funding, it’s a shame to say the least.

http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2009/parl/XC76-402-1-1-01E.pdf

http://www.nddb-bndg.org/main_e.htm


The addition of JF got me to thinking about a myriad of issues as it relates to these type of offenders and what the perpetrator in Taylor‘s murder might be likely to do next.

The most important of these issues was their recidivism rate. The prognosis is grim, although not as high as I has assumed it to be. It seems momentum and age are key when it comes to this issue, the longer they sustain from their deviant behavior the less likely they are to re-offend, the older they are when convicted the less likely they are to re-offend. Unfortunately the younger they are and the presence of previous sexual offense increases the recidivism rate. Unfortunately the studies did not include subgroups that I personally think would be of importance, these groups would be

An offender who had a previous sexual offense with escalation noted in the 2 offense (e.g. level 1 sexual assault as the first charge then level 2 or 3 as the second) I think this subgroups recidivism rate could be of real importance when it comes to prevention IRT sentencing guidelines and treatment and risk to society. Study of this subgroup could even potentially help in predicting a timeline till the next offense.

Another subgroup which I feel would be of interest to track but may not be directly related to Taylor’s murder would be offenders who’s first offense was not sexual but who’s second offense was, the recidivism rate of this group could be particularly helpful IRT prevention, risk to society and treatment as well. I came to this conclusion due to the fact that about 50% of those accused of a sexual offense already have existing criminal record that wasn’t the result of a sexual offense. In the studies, sexual offenders who have a previous conviction of the same nature are at a higher recidivism rate. So as a result I am wondering what the rate of re-offending would be for a person who had a previous non sexual conviction and current sexual conviction ….. I hope I explained that well enough to get my thought process across.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/cor/rep/2004-03-se-off-eng.aspx#app-02

http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/police_services/publications/special_surveys/sexfinal.pdf

As a whole I see our sentences for sex offenders as too light and drastically disproportionate to the damage they cause their victims and communities. The next thing I think I need to understand better is the criteria needed to legally confirm someone as a dangerous offender and what all this title allows the judicial system to do IRT protecting the public from them. It seems to me this distinction ether isn’t given out often (possibly rigorous criteria) or the extra discretion this distinction allows the court is not effective enough to keep the public safe from them. Other wise we shouldn’t be seeing warnings about offenders who are being released into our communities who are at a high risk to re-offend, should we?

JF and the person in the following article are very recent and good examples of my above concern

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Police+warn+high+risk+offender+living+Surrey/5733554/story.html

JF and AJ should both have been deemed dangerous offenders IMO ….. AJ was all over the news in the weeks leading up to Taylor’s murder due to the fact he was going to be released into Kelowna, ether the day of or the day before he was to be released into Kelowna he changed his mind and moved to Surry. I am at a loss as to why he is allowed to choose where he lives in the first place, especially in light of the fact his offenses were in a different province. With his high risk of re-offending should he not have been deemed a dangerous offender and keep incarcerated? Or at the very least released to a place with ample resources to keep track of him and provide treatment?

another novel :crazy:
 
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CanadianCandy, Thankyou for that "sweet" post !
 
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Thanks CC: I was going to update about the concert on the 29th. I went to the same facebook page you did and found out it was a misprint.

I agree with what you posted about sex crimes and repeat offenders. It's such a problem. Crimes against women, crimes against children. It's horrible. Thanks for the info about AJ too. I know this is a generalization but why do I think this type of repeated sexual crimes against women occurs more often in the West? There probably isn't any fact to my thinking but I just find it surprising.
 
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200 Tips and no other cold cases being looked at, so far.

It's another weekend of uncertainty in the town of Armstrong, as investigators desperately try to find the killer of 18-year old Taylor Van Diest.

RCMP Corporal Dan Moskaluk says tips have been pouring in, ever since the release of a composite sketch of the man believed to be the killer.

"From what I have seen coming in and speaking with investigators, we're probably closer to the 200 mark, if not over the 200 mark at this time. So the tips do continue to come in, and again, there's other investigational tasking that the members continue on with their work at-hand."

Although police are now connecting Taylor's death to the 2005 sexual assault of a Kelowna escort, Moskaluk says no other cold cases are being re-visited so far.

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1577493
 
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Picture of POI without sideburns (crudely done, sorry, not much skill with that)

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