Canada - Terry, 27, & Hailey Blanchette, 2, Blairmore, AB, 14 Sept 2015 #2

[swedie]

There is never any closure for the victims' families. Even if they get the answers as to why DS murdered Terry and Hailey, their lives remain the same and they are forced to carry on. Should he die, the family will not be burdened with attending all his court hearings and trial and then his appeals if he pleads not guilty or NCR. Should he be found NCR, and end up in a mental institution, there's a greater chance that he could one day be released back into society as in the case of Vince Li. Then there is the financial burden on the victims' families, as well as taxpayers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...-group-home-sparks-winnipeg-protest-1.3068059

I think of little Tori S and what her family has been through and still going through. She was murdered almost six and a half years ago and they still have no closure and never will. Some of TS's family members have said they wished we had the death penalty in Canada for child murderers.

"Since Rafferty's trial, every time he comes back to court I get more and more enraged. We are all forced to re-live the horrific events from that day," Tori's father, Rodney Stafford, said.

He'd also like to see the death penalty for child killers.

His mother, Doreen Graichen, agrees.

"I would like to do my best to get Canadians to wise up. To me, you take a life, you lose a life."

Graichen said her family has been torn apart by her granddaughter's death, with some members estranged from each other.

"It has changed everyone I know that was close to Tori," she said. "I've gone from anger and hatred to grieving and acceptance. The only thing, I worry about -- and it's premature, I know -- is the appeal. If by some freak of nature, he (Rafferty) is granted another trial, I hope it takes many, many years and I hope I'm not around anymore because I can't live through that."

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/04/five-years-after-tori-staffords-went-missing

For multiple murder offences committed after December 2, 2011, a court may, after considering any jury recommendation, impose consecutive periods of parole ineligibility for each murder. While the provision is not mandatory, this means, for example, that an individual convicted of three counts of first degree murder could face life with no parole for 75 years - or 25 years for each conviction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(Canadian_law)

 

[Clouddippingdown]

I'm really wondering if this was a sex crime? Did DS kill Terry whilst abducting Hailey for purposes of a sex assault? Did he use that windowless van in that secluded location for privacy during the attack? Did he burn the body to hide the evidence of the sexual assault? And, was the pedophile that Terry referred to on FB in fact DS?

Thoughts?

No doubt, inclusive.... However, due to the metaphor application in what I see as being a trail of blood "from Grandmother's house to the woods" I'm wondering if there also wasn't a pay off, hand off with a false promissory note of protection (on some level). It's a huge jump from nothing or very little (which would be a break in) to the Little Red Riding Hood Scenario for an unseasoned killer, one would be more inclined to see something like Snow White dead in the woods for a first time act on your own or even first 10 years. Imo, he did not act alone but rather on behalf of a coach, maybe a seasoned SK whom he had come into contact with who travels through the area on some regularity and as they say like finds like.

From all accounts his family is well liked and stable with no accounts to abuse; thereby, ruling out early childhood negative conditioning. DS suffered a major hit on his psyche at some point in time, something more intrusive than drugs or feeling like the black sheep, something that played off of these inclusions, to enable him to pull off or be a part of something like this. I do believe that the target was beautiful little Hailey and I do not believe that DS was alone with her when she died.

We also need to take note of Victoria Joanne Crow Shoe missing since August 26 and discovered on September 13 in the Old Man River Reservoir. This has the same footprint of a similar occurrence of 34 years ago in which Kelly Cook from Standard, AB (1981) was found in the Chin Lake Reservoir. These Reservoirs are not far apart. Proximity and timing. In consideration of Victoria there is also the native footprint which we can find walking along the Highway of Tears. When tracking a killer it is useful to follow those metaphorical footprints, especially with a seasoned SK, he will always leave one... it's part of his game.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

And once again the previous post is MOO.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

I'm really wondering if this was a sex crime? Did DS kill Terry whilst abducting Hailey for purposes of a sex assault? Did he use that windowless van in that secluded location for privacy during the attack? Did he burn the body to hide the evidence of the sexual assault? And, was the pedophile that Terry referred to on FB in fact DS?

Thoughts?

And now we're going to look for name associations, either by way of victim or location. andreww, could use some help on this.

This first one that comes to mind is..... Michael Dunahee, abducted March 24, 1991 from the Blanshard Elementary School Playground in Victoria.
Hailey Dunbar Blanchette.

This could be a long list, imo once we start thinking.

 

[swedie]

I think that a lot of people really have no idea what it means to get an "insane" or NCR judgement. It has absolutely nothing to do with how bizarre the crime was or how "off" the accused may seem. It has to be proven that the person could simply not distinguish between right and wrong at the time of the crime. Obviously its more technical than that, but that is the gist of it.

Agree, and as I mentioned before, if Magnotta didn't get it, it goes to show how messed up someone must be in order to be found NCR. The fact RCMP believe DS planned the murders shows he knew what he was doing prior to and during the murders; he knew right from wrong and he premeditated the murders. RCMP have the evidence to prove DS planned the murders of Terry and Hailey otherwise they would not make that statement. MOO.

The RCMP believe Derek Saretzky planned the murders of Hailey and her father. Police said Saretzky was an acquaintance of Blanchette.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2223819/a...ailey-dunbar-blanchette-and-terry-blanchette/

Canada, Mental Disorder Defence
The defence of mental disorder is codified in section 16 of the Criminal Code of Canada which states, in part:

16. (1) No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong. [9]
To establish a claim of mental disorder the party raising the issue must show on a balance of probabilities first that the person who committed the act was suffering from a "disease of the mind", and second, that at the time of the offence they were either 1) unable to appreciate the "nature and quality" of the act, or 2) did not know it was "wrong".

The meaning of the word "wrong" was determined in the Supreme Court case of R. v. Chaulk [1990] 3 S.C.R. which held that "wrong" was NOT restricted to "legally wrong" but to "morally wrong" as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder_defence

 

[Rayemonde]

You can plan a crime and still not be able to distinguish right and wrong and be found not criminally responsible, like the cases I posted earlier - thinking your victim is actually a robot or vampire or something.

But anyway, personally I doubt that anything like that is at play here. A sexual attack or thrill kill is the only thing that seems to fit what we know - planning the kills and taking Hailey to a secluded area.

 

[KMouse]

I don't think families ever really know WHY their loved ones were victimized. There is never closure.
As for suicide watch it would depend on what the risk assessment is for DS. He may have been on a high watch the first few days or medium watch. Depends on what he said during his intake interview. Then reassessed at a lower risk.
Protective custody is not being locked up for 23.5 hours a day. He would have gone into a PC unit where he was in amongst his own.

He was supposed to go to court. He was probably having a pity party for himself.


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[Rayemonde]

I'm really wondering if this was a sex crime? Did DS kill Terry whilst abducting Hailey for purposes of a sex assault? Did he use that windowless van in that secluded location for privacy during the attack? Did he burn the body to hide the evidence of the sexual assault? And, was the pedophile that Terry referred to on FB in fact DS?

Thoughts?

Yes, it seems like the most likely scenario to me...

 

[swedie]

The man accused of murdering an Alberta toddler and her father is being treated in intensive care in a Lethbridge hospital after trying to kill himself, sources have told CBC News, but officials have only confirmed an inmate was in "medical distress."

Derek Saretzky was rushed to Chinook Regional Hospital on Wednesday morning after trying to take his life at the Lethbridge Correctional Centre, sources said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/derek-saretzky-hospital-medical-distress-1.3241194

 

[Snowglobe]

And now we're going to look for name associations, either by way of victim or location. andreww, could use some help on this.

This first one that comes to mind is..... Michael Dunahee, abducted March 24, 1991 from the Blanshard Elementary School Playground in Victoria.
Hailey Dunbar Blanchette.

This could be a long list, imo once we start thinking.

We can hope it's short list, with an obvious metaphor, and a short trail, can't we?

 

[andreww]

The man accused of murdering an Alberta toddler and her father is being treated in intensive care in a Lethbridge hospital after trying to kill himself, sources have told CBC News, but officials have only confirmed an inmate was in "medical distress."

Derek Saretzky was rushed to Chinook Regional Hospital on Wednesday morning after trying to take his life at the Lethbridge Correctional Centre, sources said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/derek-saretzky-hospital-medical-distress-1.3241194

From what I've read so far he was in pretty rough shape and that he's been put in to an induced coma. That generally means a head injury. So what did he do, beat his head against a wall? I'm guessing somebody might have got to him, prison justice if you will.

 

[andreww]

Calgary SunVerified account ‏@calgarysun 31m31 minutes ago
Update on Derek Saretzky. Gvt says "The medical distress that resulted in transportation to hospital was not the result of any altercation."
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[KMouse]

From what I've read so far he was in pretty rough shape and that he's been put in to an induced coma. That generally means a head injury. So what did he do, beat his head against a wall? I'm guessing somebody might have got to him, prison justice if you will.

I'm guessing hanging.

Or jumping off the top tier if his range is 2 levels.

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[blacksheep]

i know that suicidal men in Canada have a strong history of using blades from razors in prison. They get them to shave with and are pretty crafty when trying to steal one for purposes other than shaving. Just saying ....one small mistake from guards is all it takes. Slicing a major vein takes only seconds.

 

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The man accused of murdering an Alberta toddler and her father is being treated in intensive care in a Lethbridge hospital after trying to kill himself, sources have told CBC News, but officials have only confirmed an inmate was in "medical distress."

Derek Saretzky was rushed to Chinook Regional Hospital on Wednesday morning after trying to take his life at the Lethbridge Correctional Centre, sources said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/derek-saretzky-hospital-medical-distress-1.3241194

The same day he was supposed to appear in court according to this article.

Earlier Wednesday, he was scheduled to appear court in Lethbridge.

http://www.660news.com/2015/09/23/man-accused-in-hailey-dunbar-blanchettes-murder-in-court/


Coward!

 

[Matzoh]

Does it really matter what method he used? There may very well be more going on here than we realize. What matters now is whether he lives or dies, and whether the families are able to get some of the answers they need.

I come from a small town, and a few years ago we had a situation where one brother with mental problems killed his brother. These things are just pain all around in small communities.

 

[blacksheep]

Does it really matter what method he used? There may very well be more going on here than we realize. What matters now is whether he lives or dies, and whether the families are able to get some of the answers they need.

I come from a small town, and a few years ago we had a situation where one brother with mental problems killed his brother. These things are just pain all around in small communities.

it really does matter in my opinion. It is proof that there is problem in our prison system when it comes to either manpower or training or whatever gap allowed for such a thing to happen.

Ask DS's family how much it matters.

 

[Snowglobe]

Does it really matter what method he used? There may very well be more going on here than we realize. What matters now is whether he lives or dies, and whether the families are able to get some of the answers they need.

I come from a small town, and a few years ago we had a situation where one brother with mental problems killed his brother. These things are just pain all around in small communities.

There are likely many families in the Crowsnest Pass with young children counting their blessings, and saying, "There but for the grace of God...".

Other families who were connected to DS may be wondering how close they came.

 

[Kittymama]

It infuriates me to think he's put himself in a situation where he won't have to face up to what he's done. Whether he dies or is brain-damaged, he won't have to deal with the consequences of his actions. The only way he will is if he makes a full recovery, which I am pessimistic about.

I don't think this crime was sexually motivated. Meaning, I don't think he was a pedophile. I could be completely wrong, but my STRONG gut feeling is that this was the result of something else.

 

[alreetlike]

It infuriates me to think he's put himself in a situation where he won't have to face up to what he's done. Whether he dies or is brain-damaged, he won't have to deal with the consequences of his actions. The only way he will is if he makes a full recovery, which I am pessimistic about.

I don't think this crime was sexually motivated. Meaning, I don't think he was a pedophile. I could be completely wrong, but my STRONG gut feelings is that this was the result of something else.

I think I'm with you on both paragraphs.