Canada - Terry, 27, & Hailey Blanchette, 2, Blairmore, AB, 14 Sept 2015 #2

[bornofposeidon]

Global News says Saretzky was alone in the shower when he attempted suicide. He was found by guards and rushed to hospital.

Will update with link shortly, though info can be found on the GlobalNews.ca website.

 

[~n/t~]

it really does matter in my opinion. It is proof that there is problem in our prison system when it comes to either manpower or training or whatever gap allowed for such a thing to happen.

Ask DS's family how much it matters.

If he wasn't on suicide watch......there is no problem with our prison system. The question is "Should he have been"? Do we put all accused murderers on suicide watch?

 

[criminal mind]

Global News says Saretzky was alone in the shower when he attempted suicide. He was found by guards and rushed to hospital.

Will update with link shortly, though info can be found on the GlobalNews.ca website.

Link: http://globalnews.ca/news/2235021/derek-saretzky-to-appear-in-court-wednesday-for-blairmore-murders/

 

[rogerrabbit]

in a weird twist, I now find myself rooting for the accused........albeit only to make a healthy recovery so answers can be given and justice can be served (hopefully).

but it certainly feels strange after being so enraged at this individual for over a week that I'm now hoping he survives

 

[Matzoh]

it really does matter in my opinion. It is proof that there is problem in our prison system when it comes to either manpower or training or whatever gap allowed for such a thing to happen.

Ask DS's family how much it matters.

Fair enough to look at gaps in the system - I don't disagree, although knowing that he was able to attempt suicide is sufficient for that purpose - not so much the method used, I think. As for your second statement, I don't think that discussing the method (hanging, jumping, banging his head, razors) is what a family whose loved one has attempted suicide would find helpful. My point was - I'm not defending DS - but the nitty-gritty details of a suicide attempt are private and painful. I was actually thinking of DS's family and the small community in saying that. He may be a monster (for whatever reasons), but when it's in your family or in your tight-knit community, there's nothing to be gained by discussing the methods of a suicide attempt, IMHO.

 

[matou]

CP24: He tried to hang himself, the coward. Justice must be served. Did he rape little Hailey? Why did he kill her and her father????

 

[Satchie]

Insiders tell CTV he tried to hang himself with his own clothes, did not have a pulse when found but revived in hospital.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/derek-saretzky-remains-in-lethbridge-hospital-1.2578587

 

[blacksheep]

Fair enough to look at gaps in the system - I don't disagree, although knowing that he was able to attempt suicide is sufficient for that purpose - not so much the method used, I think. As for your second statement, I don't think that discussing the method (hanging, jumping, banging his head, razors) is what a family whose loved one has attempted suicide would find helpful. My point was - I'm not defending DS - but the nitty-gritty details of a suicide attempt are private and painful. I was actually thinking of DS's family and the small community in saying that. He may be a monster (for whatever reasons), but when it's in your family or in your tight-knit community, there's nothing to be gained by discussing the methods of a suicide attempt, IMHO.

I respectfully disagree. I knew someone very well who committed suicide while incarcerated and was in for serious crimes ....not murder. The fact that he was able to deceive so many people and successfully end his life was devastating for his family, the corrections officers who found him and were shocked and needed counselling after, the people who had worked with him to try to determine if he was a threat to himself, and were all fooled by him.....they all felt like they had failed..... The details were made public because there was an inquiry. The family's first question was "How did this happen". It's not because of morbid fascination that inquiries occur, it's prevention.,

 

[KatieLiz]

Fair enough to look at gaps in the system - I don't disagree, although knowing that he was able to attempt suicide is sufficient for that purpose - not so much the method used, I think. As for your second statement, I don't think that discussing the method (hanging, jumping, banging his head, razors) is what a family whose loved one has attempted suicide would find helpful. My point was - I'm not defending DS - but the nitty-gritty details of a suicide attempt are private and painful. I was actually thinking of DS's family and the small community in saying that. He may be a monster (for whatever reasons), but when it's in your family or in your tight-knit community, there's nothing to be gained by discussing the methods of a suicide attempt, IMHO.

I respectfully disagree. This coward took away TB and HDB's privacy. CD and TB's dirty laundry will now be aired in a courtroom and in the media for the world to see. The manner in which TB and HDB were killed will be splashed across the headlines because of this monster's actions. He deserves no privacy. He did this to himself. He was in jail by his own hand and is now in hospital by his own hand. The purpose of Websleuths is to discuss cases. This is now part of the case and therefore part of the discussion. If people can discuss the manner in which TB and HDB were killed, then DS gets the same. He should not be protected.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

We can hope it's short list, with an obvious metaphor, and a short trail, can't we?

Not generally with a trail of blood that leads from Grandmother's house to the woods because that in itself is a very bold metaphor which indicates the wolf is out there and I'm thinking they may have only found the huntsman. Imo, this type of arrangement would most likely be found in the mind of a SK with some sort of reasoning handicap, e.g. a mild case of down syndrome (thereby allowing him to become stuck in the fairy tales of his childhood), who came from an abusive home and has years of experience. Something critical is missing because any way I look at it DS does not fit the size of the footprint that was left behind, if in fact it were only his shoes that were present. Victoria Crow Shoe being found at the Old Man River Reservoir on the 13th, being a reasonably short distance away gives this whole case a solid punch because of the possibility of a SK's presence in the area at the time.

Then again, it could be something as simple as a local accomplice.

 

[rogerrabbit]

I respectfully disagree. This coward took away TB and HDB's privacy. CD and TB's dirty laundry will now be aired in a courtroom and in the media for the world to see. The manner in which TB and HDB were killed will be splashed across the headlines because of this monster's actions. He deserves no privacy. He did this to himself. He was in jail by his own hand and is now in hospital by his own hand. The purpose of Websleuths is to discuss cases. This is now part of the case and therefore part of the discussion. If people can discuss the manner in which TB and HDB were killed, then DS gets the same. He should not be protected.

Amen, KatieLiz - it is all self-inflicted and he did this to himself. Heck, just having people know his name and talk about him might have even part of his motive. No one has held back when discussing TB and CD's lives and speculating all their "wrong-doings", and they are the INNOCENT ones. (ya, ya ok, innocent until guilty, but we all know he's guilty).
I will add though that WebSleuths has been much classier in discussing such matters versus social media - just one of the many reasons I'd much rather come here for information and insight.

 

[matou]

Please. He told LE where Hailey's body would be found. WS posters are classy and respectful. JMO

 

[Snowglobe]

Not generally with a trail of blood that leads from Grandmother's house to the woods because that in itself is a very bold metaphor which indicates the wolf is out there and I'm thinking they may have only found the huntsman. Imo, this type of arrangement would most likely be found in the mind of a SK with some sort of reasoning handicap, e.g. a mild case of down syndrome (thereby allowing him to become stuck in the fairy tales of his childhood), who came from an abusive home and has years of experience. Something critical is missing because any way I look at it DS does not fit the size of the footprint that was left behind, if in fact it were only his shoes that were present. Victoria Crow Shoe being found at the Old Man River Reservoir on the 13th, being a reasonably short distance away gives this whole case a solid punch because of the possibility of a SK's presence in the area at the time.

Then again, it could be something as simple as a local accomplice.

I'm with you in thinking that someone else orchestrated this for a very specific reason, although we may not agree on the reason. I think the trail could lead very close to home. There could be a SK who has been in the area for quite some time, but I think this would be someone very cunning and powerful in order to stay hidden for a long time.

On the other hand, this could be revenge for some reason, perceived or real, as in someone thinking TB did something, whether it happened or not. Look at the court appearance coming up. Maybe DS blamed others for ratting him out. Maybe he owed a debt to someone powerful.

There are enough drug busts in the area, including one in Cranbrook, to know that some sketchy characters pass through.

Some sketchy characters look respectable on the outside, like that wolf.

 

[otto]

He tried to hang himself, which is not uncommon for people facing prison for decades.

Obviously there's something wrong with his thinking given the fact that he murdered a 27 year old acquaintance and that acquaintance's 2 year old daughter. He has mental health issues - without doubt, in my opinion. Normal people don't do that and, based on older photos of the suspect, he looked rather normal. Perhaps he was doing meth, or he has develop schizophrenia ... it seems obvious that something went very wrong with him in recent years.

 

[ElleElle]

Why is he is showering alone anyways? Has anyone examined him and thought he'd be suicidal?

Does he have remorse? Too many questions ...

 

[blacksheep]

Interesting insight from a psychologist on prison suicide if anyone is interested.

http://www.newstalk770.com/2015/09/24/psychologist-talks-on-dangers-of-attempting-suicide/

 

[otto]

He is on a ventilator, which suggests to me that he is not breathing on his own, which translates to brain damage due to lack of oxygen.

 

[skinnycat]

If DS is left with brain damage will that make him incompetent to stand trial?

 

[matou]

If DS is left with brain damage will that make him incompetent to stand trial?

I don't think so. I wonder if we will learn any statement of facts from him?

 

[otto]

If DS is left with brain damage will that make him incompetent to stand trial?

I think a requiring a ventilator to breath could mean that, without the machine to do his breathing, he is dead. That would mean that he is unable to attend trial.