Canada - Terry, 27, & Hailey Blanchette, 2, Blairmore, AB, 14 Sept 2015 #2

[skinnycat]

Fantastic news DS is up and talking to medical staff, while he is chained to the bed, with a guard watching

 

[Jasper52]

Thought I would share this here!!

Meghan Grant ‏@CBCMeg 23m23 minutes ago
BREAKING: Derek Saretzky is out of medically induced coma and speaking, according to a source close to the case #cbc

https://twitter.com/CBCMeg

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/derek-saretzky-hospital-not-altercation-1.3243843

So great to hear this news today as we don't generally hear much on the weekends........that would have been a long wait, wondering if DS was brain-dead etc. I just hope he's able/fit to attend his next court appearance this coming Wednesday.

 

[Satchie]

Can anyone tell me if there has ever been a similar event during any other Canadian cases, where the suspect has either tried to or successfully killed themselves before standing trial?

Though probably no longer relevant for this case, the most recent case was Sonia Blanchette - she refused to eat and there was nothing prison officials could do.

After her death the case was closed but the publication ban was lifted on the evidence submitted at the preliminary trial. It revealed she had tried to kill herself after killing her children.

 

[Snowglobe]

@tarabull: Do you think there is any way to find out who appeared in court in Cranbrook on Monday, September 14, 2015 on drug charges from the arrest on Sunday, September 13?

It would also be interesting to know who was slated to appear as a witness in the Lethbridge case involving DS and the stolen property.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

It sounds like you are writing a movie. Fantasy. A serial killer enlisted DS in a cult and convinced him to Do this?

Umm... Okay...


And you say DS does not strike you as a pedophile? Do you KNOW DS to be able to make that judgement?

There seems to be a few people still lingering here waging a campaign against CD. As cryptic as you may think you're being, I personally think it's kind of sick to still be insinuating that she is involved. It is over a week later when no one else has been arrested or even connected to this crime.

Why on earth would DS try to kill himself if he acted with an accomplice? Surely a plea deal would have been struck if that were the case.

It never even crossed my mind for more than a couple seconds that DS would be involved. In fact, I really don't think that her shoes fit any of the footprints left behind in the area over that time period.
As far as my feelings that DS doesn't strike me as being a pedophile, this impression is that it is not coming across clairvoyantly that he is one. Doesn't mean that he isn't but in so far as the primary motive I'm not getting anything on that.

Victoria Crow Shoe being discovered on the shore of the Oldman River Reservoir on September 13th does; however, fit the footprint of a SK I have been chasing for 10 years now and it is very difficult for me to not acknowledge the proximity and timing along with several name associations with the Blanchette murders which may also be just a coincidence. No, this is definitely not a fantasy being close to a masochistic sociopath and knowing the inner workings of his mind; rather it's a horror.

Where intent is issued and a play by play enactment is warranted then by all means let us wander through the woods to Grandmother's house. You see, there is a parable here that reconciles the advances of the mind based on a reality that is created within the confines of a solitary re-enactment and in order to understand exactly how a SK or mass murderer issues these enactments we must first understand where his mind is stable in it's comprehension of the world around him. My theory remains that where a metaphor such as this is present he is stuck in the place of wonderment of an early age, secure in the fairy tales of his youth. When you reach down very deep into the abyss of his mind and pull out that stable place and combine it with all the misjudgments, as he sees them as being inflicted upon himself you will gain a greater understanding of how the conditioning has been applied to that place in time where the stability of all that surrounded him was found in these fairy tales. It's a malady of sorts in which the aggression is applied to the earliest time of moral conditioning through the use of children's fairy tales. And it is more common than we think. There are a lot of Princesses laying in the woods that didn't make it to the ball. Why? Because the wicked stepmother didn't want them to. And why should it matter what she wanted? Because of all the beatings that this SK took as a child from his father at the same time he was being read fairy tales by his mother.

My theory and MOO.

 

[blacksheep]

Force-feeding, most commonly by means of tubes inserted in the nose or mouth, is outlawed under a 1975 resolution of the World Medical Association.

I'm not sure what you are referencing here but it doesn't apply to inmates in Canada. Force feeding an inmate is considered "treatment" and if they are deemed mentally competent, they can refuse. However, if they are deemed not competent, they can be force fed (under medical supervision) due to their mental state

Justice Law website - GOC

89. The Service shall not direct the force-feeding, by any method, of an inmate who had the capacity to understand the consequences of fasting at the time the inmate made the decision to fast.

 

[Leeman68]

It never even crossed my mind for more than a couple seconds that DS would be involved. In fact, I really don't think that her shoes fit any of the footprints left behind in the area over that time period.
As far as my feelings that DS doesn't strike me as being a pedophile, this impression is that it is not coming across clairvoyantly that he is one. Doesn't mean that he isn't but in so far as the primary motive I'm not getting anything on that.

Victoria Crow Shoe being discovered on the shore of the Oldman River Reservoir on September 13th does; however, fit the footprint of a SK I have been chasing for 10 years now and it is very difficult for me to not acknowledge the proximity and timing along with several name associations with the Blanchette murders which may also be just a coincidence. No, this is definitely not a fantasy being close to a masochistic sociopath and knowing the inner workings of his mind; rather it's a horror.

Where intent is issued and a play by play enactment is warranted then by all means let us wander through the woods to Grandmother's house. You see, there is a parable here that reconciles the advances of the mind based on a reality that is created within the confines of a solitary re-enactment and in order to understand exactly how a SK or mass murderer issues these enactments we must first understand where his mind is stable in it's comprehension of the world around him. My theory remains that where a metaphor such as this is present he is stuck in the place of wonderment of an early age, secure in the fairy tales of his youth. When you reach down very deep into the abyss of his mind and pull out that stable place and combine it with all the misjudgments, as he sees them as being inflicted upon himself you will gain a greater understanding of how the conditioning has been applied to that place in time where the stability of all that surrounded him was found in these fairy tales. It's a malady of sorts in which the aggression is applied to the earliest time of moral conditioning through the use of children's fairy tales. And it is more common than we think. There are a lot of Princesses laying in the woods that didn't make it to the ball. Why? Because the wicked stepmother didn't want them to. And why should it matter what she wanted? Because of all the beatings that this SK took as a child from his father at the same time he was being read fairy tales by his mother.

My theory and MOO.

I never read fairy tales as a child, nor did I read them to my children, so I really have no idea what you are talking about as I'm not really familiar with the storylines. However, what I can gather from above is that you have a rather active imagination and are reaching quite far on this, IMO. No disrepect, but I believe the storyline of this case will be far more simplistic than you think.

 

[Snowglobe]

They would most certainly give the family the details if requested. They have the right to full disclosure once the information will not affect the trial (if he passes or they plea him out).

I do not believe they would get access to any information about crimes committed while a juvenile, or psychiatric treatment, unless it was court-ordered. I do not believe they would know about crimes for which he received a pardon, or charges which were dropped. I'm not sure if crimes committed out of the country would be disclosed, if known.

They may never know about school records, medical records or abuse as a child, if it applies in this instance.

They may already have heard rumors about such things, if they apply in this case, because this is a closely-connected community.

They would never hear from his own mouth why he did what he did, even if the answer is "because".

Some things come out of a trial at sentencing that are not part of the trial, so anything less than a trial may give you the " what" without "why".

 

[KatieLiz]

It never even crossed my mind for more than a couple seconds that DS would be involved. In fact, I really don't think that her shoes fit any of the footprints left behind in the area over that time period.
As far as my feelings that DS doesn't strike me as being a pedophile, this impression is that it is not coming across clairvoyantly that he is one. Doesn't mean that he isn't but in so far as the primary motive I'm not getting anything on that.

Victoria Crow Shoe being discovered on the shore of the Oldman River Reservoir on September 13th does; however, fit the footprint of a SK I have been chasing for 10 years now and it is very difficult for me to not acknowledge the proximity and timing along with several name associations with the Blanchette murders which may also be just a coincidence. No, this is definitely not a fantasy being close to a masochistic sociopath and knowing the inner workings of his mind; rather it's a horror.

Where intent is issued and a play by play enactment is warranted then by all means let us wander through the woods to Grandmother's house. You see, there is a parable here that reconciles the advances of the mind based on a reality that is created within the confines of a solitary re-enactment and in order to understand exactly how a SK or mass murderer issues these enactments we must first understand where his mind is stable in it's comprehension of the world around him. My theory remains that where a metaphor such as this is present he is stuck in the place of wonderment of an early age, secure in the fairy tales of his youth. When you reach down very deep into the abyss of his mind and pull out that stable place and combine it with all the misjudgments, as he sees them as being inflicted upon himself you will gain a greater understanding of how the conditioning has been applied to that place in time where the stability of all that surrounded him was found in these fairy tales. It's a malady of sorts in which the aggression is applied to the earliest time of moral conditioning through the use of children's fairy tales. And it is more common than we think. There are a lot of Princesses laying in the woods that didn't make it to the ball. Why? Because the wicked stepmother didn't want them to. And why should it matter what she wanted? Because of all the beatings that this SK took as a child from his father at the same time he was being read fairy tales by his mother.

My theory and MOO.

I never read fairy tales as a child, nor did I read them to my children, so I really have no idea what you are talking about as I'm not really familiar with the storylines. However, what I can gather from above is that you have a rather active imagination and are reaching quite far on this, IMO. No disrepect, but I believe the storyline of this case will be far more simplistic than you think.

@Clouddippingdown:

I can see where you believe there are connections of old crimes to each other in this area, but I really think you are making a stretch by trying to connect those to this crime. It was your comment about DS being paid by an SK and enlisted in a cult that I think is completely unfounded in this case. I don't think this case is necessarily "simple", but as Leeman68 replied to you "I believe this case is far more simple than you think". I believe DS acted alone. I have a few ideas and theories as to what his motive could have been, but I don't believe there were any accomplices or direct outside influences. JMO.

 

[Sabot]

I think he lost his temper for some reason, and the child saw the altercation. And with the possibility of her being able to identify him, he panicked, took her away, and then killed her.

 

[steelman]

Boy, there's a lot of deep thinking going on in here overnight.

How about he simply killed Dad because of a beef between the two of them and the daughter was abducted and taken because he didn't really know what to do about her ?

Ultimately, if he didn't want to get caught, she had to go as well, because she knew who he was.

Saretzky isn't some sort of a criminal mastermind, he's just a pot smoking bum that most likely got higher than a kite on a meth and alcohol cocktail and went on a killing spree for some unknown reason. He'll explain it sooner or later, if he hasn't already.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm guessing this was already posted. I haven't had time to read yesterday posts yet.



LETHBRIDGE, Alta. — Two Calgary media outlets are reporting that the man charged in the slaying of a two-year-old toddler and her father in southern Alberta has come out of a medically induced coma.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/0...illing-dad-toddler-out-of-coma_n_8199082.html

 

[Alison]

I do not believe they would get access to any information about crimes committed while a juvenile, or psychiatric treatment, unless it was court-ordered. I do not believe they would know about crimes for which he received a pardon, or charges which were dropped. I'm not sure if crimes committed out of the country would be disclosed, if known.

They may never know about school records, medical records or abuse as a child, if it applies in this instance.

They may already have heard rumors about such things, if they apply in this case, because this is a closely-connected community.

They would never hear from his own mouth why he did what he did, even if the answer is "because".

Some things come out of a trial at sentencing that are not part of the trial, so anything less than a trial may give you the " what" without "why".

My friend was murdered in 2012. His case is in the courts right now, they are wrapping up Monday. His family knew everything that was to be presented by the Crown before court. Nothing that has come out has been a shock or new news to his family or friends. The Crown and Police will share their information, it would be cruel not to. If he never stood trial we would not know his defense, but everything else would be shared with the family.

 

[alreetlike]

Boy, there's a lot of deep thinking going on in here overnight.

How about he simply killed Dad because of a beef between the two of them and the daughter was abducted and taken because he didn't really know what to do about her ?

Ultimately, if he didn't want to get caught, she had to go as well, because she knew who he was.

Saretzky isn't some sort of a criminal mastermind, he's just a pot smoking bum that most likely got higher than a kite on a meth and alcohol cocktail and went on a killing spree for some unknown reason. He'll explain it sooner or later, if he hasn't already.

Completely agree. I think it's a classic case of a criminal acting in the heat of the moment and taking another step too far. Kills dad, oh *@$! daughter is here too, kills daughter.

 

[FrostOwl]

I'm not sure what you are referencing here but it doesn't apply to inmates in Canada. Force feeding an inmate is considered "treatment" and if they are deemed mentally competent, they can refuse. However, if they are deemed not competent, they can be force fed (under medical supervision) due to their mental state

Justice Law website - GOC

89. The Service shall not direct the force-feeding, by any method, of an inmate who had the capacity to understand the consequences of fasting at the time the inmate made the decision to fast.

The paragraph 89 is most likely because of the 1975 Declaration of Tokyo by the World Medical Association, as it's guiderules for physicians how to act regarding matters "concerning torture, and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment in relation to detention and imprisonment". The 6th paragraph says:

1. Where a prisoner refuses nourishment and is considered by the physician as capable of forming an unimpaired and rational judgment concerning the consequences of such a voluntary refusal of nourishment, he or she shall not be fed artificially. The decision as to the capacity of the prisoner to form such a judgment should be confirmed by at least one other independent physician. The consequences of the refusal of nourishment shall be explained by the physician to the prisoner.

 

[skibaboo]

I'm guessing this was already posted. I haven't had time to read yesterday posts yet.



LETHBRIDGE, Alta. — Two Calgary media outlets are reporting that the man charged in the slaying of a two-year-old toddler and her father in southern Alberta has come out of a medically induced coma.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/0...illing-dad-toddler-out-of-coma_n_8199082.html

"Global and CBC say unnamed sources say 22-year-old Derek Saretzky was speaking as of Friday afternoon."

Good news! I was checking in yesterday scared to see he had died. (strange to say I know) I'm glad to see he has recovered enough to speak.

 

[tarabull]

@tarabull: Do you think there is any way to find out who appeared in court in Cranbrook on Monday, September 14, 2015 on drug charges from the arrest on Sunday, September 13?

It would also be interesting to know who was slated to appear as a witness in the Lethbridge case involving DS and the stolen property.

Re BC:

Using a name theres a search available here:
https://justice.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/criminal/partySearch.do

Daily court list are just that - available for only 5 days following:
https://justice.gov.bc.ca/cso/courtLists.do
http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/courts/court-lists/criminal/index.htm

Re AB:

Going to check... ETA: sorry...no dice :dunno:

 

[LoriMcA]

In regards to the Amber Alert....
When an Amber Alert is issued...example in Alberta...it will cover the province of Alberta...
In most cases it will also cover bordering provinces/states....Montana is VERY close in travel time to Alberta...and borders it...
With the Amber Alert being issued approx 11 hrs after the apparent murder/abduction *according to the neighbour's reports of the 'white van'* ...the abductor had a very large head start...they could have been anywhere in that 11 hrs...including well into the states....
It's up to the officials/LE sending out the Amber Alert to decide whether to alert LE stateside....I'd say they were being precautionary....covering all bases...Especially with the time that had already passed...

 

[skinnycat]

Could Terry be the witness for the break and enter that DS is charged with? DS could have tried to talk Terry into not testifying, things went terribly wrong

We just don't know enough about DS and what made him tick, was he a meth user that was having an episode of meth psychosis

 

[bornofposeidon]

http://lethbridgeherald.com/commentary/opinions/2015/09/25/murders-affect-everyone/

I thought this was an interesting opinion piece from yesterday's Lethbridge Herald.

Basically, people who live in the area are freaked out about the large number of murders that have rocked their community in such a short period of time.

Granted, a couple of these cases have ended with suspects in custody. But, some have not.

I think the reason why other homicides are being discussed in this thread is because of the close proximity of the murders and the connection between those that were murdered and Derek Saretzky.

Sure, some of the theories may be reaching and derived from non-MSM websites. Some may be over dramatic. But the point is a lot of people have recently been murdered in a somewhat small area.

I, personally, don't know what's worse. One killer or multiple killers.