Found Deceased Canada - Thelma Krull, 58, Winnipeg MB, 11 July 2015

[Arnie M]

I'd love to hear observances on the video from a veteran sleuther.

How is this jm .... "we are probably thinking the same thing you are thinking."

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[Crosby87]

Thelma may have left her water bottle, hat and dog at home Saturday morning because she decided to leave her husband and live with another man/woman.

I think Thelma planned to meet and disappear with someone she knew on Saturday morning. There have been no signs of foul play, her body hasn’t been recovered, her phone was turned off after her daughter attempted to contact her, she left without speaking to her husband or dog who cried as she left the house, she didn’t return her daughter’s phone call, and I feel she left willingly in a vehicle that was waiting for her. jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

Thelma may have left her water bottle, hat and dog at home Saturday morning because she decided to leave her husband and live with another man/woman.

I think Thelma planned to meet and disappear with someone she knew on Saturday morning. There have been no signs of foul play, her body hasn’t been recovered, her phone was turned off after her daughter attempted to contact her, she left without speaking to her husband or dog who cried as she left the house, she didn’t return her daughter’s phone call, and I feel she left willingly in a vehicle that was waiting for her. jmo

And the glasses?

I'm not disagreeing or saying this is impossible, just wondering what your theory is.

 

[SteveHolt!]

Thelma may have left her water bottle, hat and dog at home Saturday morning because she decided to leave her husband and live with another man/woman.

I think Thelma planned to meet and disappear with someone she knew on Saturday morning. There have been no signs of foul play, her body hasn’t been recovered, her phone was turned off after her daughter attempted to contact her, she left without speaking to her husband or dog who cried as she left the house, she didn’t return her daughter’s phone call, and I feel she left willingly in a vehicle that was waiting for her. jmo

but there are the found glasses, which if you just want to disappear from your life doesn't quite seem like enough if you're trying to make it seem like you were abducted or attacked. it was 42C with the humidex in Winnipeg that weekend, I wouldn't bring my dogs on a 2h walk in that heat either. As a runner, I wouldn't bring my dogs on a serious training outing either - too much sniffing and dawdling.

 

[bluesneakers]

Her FB profile says she's from Chapleau which is a small town in Northern Ontario. Do we know if anyone has been searching there? I can't find anything online other than two posts on the Chapleau Express' Facebook page.

 

[RandomName479]

Thelma may have left her water bottle, hat and dog at home Saturday morning because she decided to leave her husband and live with another man/woman.

I think Thelma planned to meet and disappear with someone she knew on Saturday morning. There have been no signs of foul play, her body hasn’t been recovered, her phone was turned off after her daughter attempted to contact her, she left without speaking to her husband or dog who cried as she left the house, she didn’t return her daughter’s phone call, and I feel she left willingly in a vehicle that was waiting for her. jmo

I'm willing to entertain your theory (this is what the forum is for....can't say it's at the top of my list....but let's do this) .....what about the glasses? Do we know what her prescription was? (ie: could she see without them?) She is wearing specs in every pic I have seen of her. Do you think the glasses were placed near the CC as a diversion and she had another pair with her? IF she left of her own accord....she would have had to have cash (money trail?) and basically a new identity (and one would think must be leaving a very bad home situation....which doesn't SEEM to be the case - close with kids/grandkids/etc) I would also think there would be phone/internet/texting records of her interaction with this other person that LE would be able to dig into.....all MOO and playing devil's advocate.....

 

[Arnie M]

If my wife was to call me when she was at or near the Canadian Tire store and did not .... my first thought would be .... she is taking a longer walk , not unusual for her

If I was becoming impatient or antsy I would try phone her (of course) .... but if she did not answer I would likely think she was in a dead-cell spot , or in a building that blocked the signal , maybe even in the CT store already. Or she accidentally turned her phone off . Or she forgot to charge it and the battery went dead.

If I had any feelings or emotions , I would be "ticked off a bit" because she left me pacing the floor waiting for her call. If I find out her daughter also tried calling at 9:00 AM and did not get a reply I would start to be concerned , but I would still just suspect it was a phone issue.

If I went for a drive to find her I would head toward the CT store because that is her most logical destination .... I would do a quick scout of the store to see if she was there. Especially the ladder department. We were going to buy a ladder that morning.

If I did not find her at the store , and if contact with family and friends confirmed something was not right , I would worry something happened on her walk , thinking maybe she got hit by a car or something , lots of intersections to cross , I would be tempted to call the local hospitals .

The last thing on my mind would be that somebody had snatched her away , mugged her , or assaulted her , this is a nice area of town on a bright Saturday morning , my fears would be accident based . If the hospitals knew nothing , I would try call the police , tell them my concerns , and ask them if there had been any accidents that morning .

Police know nothing , hospitals know nothing , still hope she makes it to the birthday party and has a good reason for getting us all worried. In the meantime I would keep checking if she had come home , check the store again , and drive the streets some more. At birthday party time is when I would hit the panic button and know something was seriously wrong.

EDIT TO ADD: ... I wish we knew how it actually played out that first hour of concern 9:30-10:30 , and if a missing person report was made as early as 10:30 , my hinkey meter goes off


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[Crosby87]

I'm willing to entertain your theory (this is what the forum is for....can't say it's at the top of my list....but let's do this) .....what about the glasses? Do we know what her prescription was? (ie: could she see without them?) She is wearing specs in every pic I have seen of her. Do you think the glasses were placed near the CC as a diversion and she had another pair with her? IF she left of her own accord....she would have had to have cash (money trail?) and basically a new identity (and one would think must be leaving a very bad home situation....which doesn't SEEM to be the case - close with kids/grandkids/etc) I would also think there would be phone/internet/texting records of her interaction with this other person that LE would be able to dig into.....all MOO and playing devil's advocate.....

I think Thelma purposely left her glasses out in the open to let her husband know she was leaving him to live with another man. Robert was the first person to search the area where his wife walked and he probably wouldn't see her glasses unless he left his vehicle. She probably knew Robert would look for her in that area when she didn't call him nor answer her daughter's phone call. No one saw Thelma so it was the perfect time and place to meet someone. Thelma's glasses weren't broken so she may have placed them there as a sign especially since she is probably aware, after walking in that area for so long, there aren't any cameras in this area. jmo

 

[Crosby87]

A divorced 65-year-old retired female who lived below me for fifteen years met a retired man on the Internet about two months ago, and two weeks ago she rented a U-Haul, left the items she couldn’t lift in her apartment, (freezer, stereo unit, large hide-a-bed) and drove to British Columbia to live with him. She didn’t tell the caretaker or property management company she was leaving and her rent is paid until the end of July. By now she has probably contacted her bank and cancelled her pre-authorized monthly rent payment.

Her lease expires at the end of September and while she was packing her personal belongings, she led me to believe she intended to sublet her apartment and inform the property manager and caretaker, but after she loaded the u-haul and gave me the food that was in her fridge and freezer, she left for BC.

 

[RandomName479]

while I agree that people sometimes do crazy things for love, there are some huge holes in this theory applying to TK. She was married. I would argue it's easier to get a divorce (if she had found a new love as you are suggesting) than it is to stage your own death. What benefit would come from this? By all reports it was out of character for her to miss events with her children/grandchildren.....as a mother, I cannot imagine leaving my child and having them mourn my death. If she wanted her husband to know she had left, why leave the glasses in a field? why not leave them at their home? or a letter to him? imo, this theory doesn't fit this case.....

 

[brighidin]

From the last post on her personal facebook, people are asked to look out for the following items:

- white earbud headphones
- blue/green/white plaid hat
- tan hiking boots
- black belt pack
- iphone 4

People are asked to not pick up any of these items but to notify Winnipeg police immediately.

https://www.facebook.com/thelma.therriaultkrull?fref=ts

I quoted this post because someone recently posted that she left without a hat; however, it seems as though her family thinks she did have a hat -- a blue, green, and white one.

Just my opinion, but I think any talk of a voluntary disappearance is absurd because of the grandson birthday angle. She adored her grandson, as most do.

Sounds like hubby drew no attention her disappearance until missing the birthday party. I would have been phoning the police by 11 am (1 hour after meeting time at CDN tire, especially since phone was turned off), but that's just me.

I don't find it suspicious that they weren't worried enough to involve the police until later. If I was unable to contact another adult for a few hours, I really don't think I would call 911. I probably wouldn't even call the non-emergency police number. I would probably assume that she stopped in to see a friend or headed to buy a last minute birthday gift or something. We think we might freak out in their shoes because of hindsight - we know TK has been missing for quite some time. I have been unable to get in touch with family members before and while it really ticked me off, I didn't automatically think to call the police.

Not sure if this has been posted previously....from CTV morning Live ...but this was from a couple days ago..maybe Monday/Tuesday...can't find the date on the video..

Thelma Krull Family - CTV Morning Live

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=660291&binId=1.1164782&playlistPageNum=1

Thanks for the video. I hadn't seen that! I think the daughter looks just like Thelma. The past tense jumped out at me, certainly, but what really struck me was the daughter's upbeat demeanour. I would NEVER have guessed that she was talking about a family member who had been missing for over a week. She may be trying to stay strong and optimistic, and I don't think she was involved in any way, but I wasn't expecting that.

For the second day in a row, Winnipeg police divers are scouring ponds in the city's northeast for any sign of Thelma Krull, who has been missing since July 11.


Divers waded into the waist-deep waters of ponds at Kilcona Park and in the Sun Valley Park area on Thursday, searching through the reeds and feeling for any evidence of the missing 57-year-old woman.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it&cmp=rss

Searching waist deep water??

They are very weedy. people have drowned in those retention ponds because they can't get out of the weeds.

while I agree that people sometimes do crazy things for love, there are some huge holes in this theory applying to TK. She was married. I would argue it's easier to get a divorce (if she had found a new love as you are suggesting) than it is to stage your own death. What benefit would come from this? By all reports it was out of character for her to miss events with her children/grandchildren.....as a mother, I cannot imagine leaving my child and having them mourn my death. If she wanted her husband to know she had left, why leave the glasses in a field? why not leave them at their home? or a letter to him? imo, this theory doesn't fit this case.....

I agree. I don't know her personally, and I know that there are examples of people who up and leave their lives, but I really don't think that is the case. I do not thank that this individual would take off with a secret lover and let the city, strangers, and family members search for her for almost two weeks. It isn't a scenario that seems plausible to me.

 

[Arnie M]

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Sure looks to me like she was texting at the end of the CCTV video ... it would not be hard to consider she maybe had a walking buddy or internet pal she met with , or walked with once in a while , after all she had been doing this for a year already

Hey , lets go this way ..... hey there is my house , lets get some water .... plenty of ways to lead somebody somewhere in a seemingly trustworthy manner

But that does not explain the "knocked off" glasses found outdoors , and if they were "planted" there as a diversion , it was poorly done , seeing as how it took days to find them.

 

[RandomName479]

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Sure looks to me like she was texting at the end of the CCTV video ... it would not be hard to consider she maybe had a walking buddy or internet pal she met with , or walked with once in a while , after all she had been doing this for a year already

Hey , lets go this way ..... hey there is my house , lets get some water .... plenty of ways to lead somebody somewhere in a seemingly trustworthy manner

But that does not explain the "knocked off" glasses found outdoors , and if they were "planted" there as a diversion , it was poorly done , seeing as how it took days to find them.

I agree that it looks like she was doing something on her phone at the end of the CCTV. She could have been texting someone.....she could have been starting music (ear buds have been reported missing on her FB page)......she could have been starting a "map my run" or similar app (the CCTV was fairly near her house i think?) who knows? she could have been doing almost anything on her iphone.....still think it's a leap that bc she was doing something on her phone she was planning on meeting someone.....

 

[GigTu]

I just read through all the theories.

If you are the husband, you might go to the ladder store, then go ahead buy your ladder and bring it home even if your wife didn't show up. But then, wouldn't you drive back to the ladder store, the pre-planned meeting place? Or would you just leave and go to a birthday party without your wife? This after having shown concern for her welfare by driving around looking for her (as did your daughter) AND you are unable to get ahold of her? Then wait a few hours to call police because *coff* she never came to the party. Really?

 

[nova1998]

I wondered if there could have been any pressing financial-related "issues" that would have caused her to make a sudden departure.

 

[musicaljoke]

I think Thelma purposely left her glasses out in the open to let her husband know she was leaving him to live with another man. Robert was the first person to search the area where his wife walked and he probably wouldn't see her glasses unless he left his vehicle. She probably knew Robert would look for her in that area when she didn't call him nor answer her daughter's phone call. No one saw Thelma so it was the perfect time and place to meet someone. Thelma's glasses weren't broken so she may have placed them there as a sign especially since she is probably aware, after walking in that area for so long, there aren't any cameras in this area. jmo

I might wonder if she simply ran off, except that she was to pick up her granddaughter's birthday cake. She'd wait until after the birthday to run away. A gramma would never, never, never miss picking up the cake. Maybe if it was her husband's cake, or even one of her children's cake, then ... well ... maybe she'd skip the event, but there's a snowball's chance in he!! that a gramma would miss her granddaughter's birthday.

 

[musicaljoke]

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Police know nothing , hospitals know nothing , still hope she makes it to the birthday party and has a good reason for getting us all worried. In the meantime I would keep checking if she had come home , check the store again , and drive the streets some more. At birthday party time is when I would hit the panic button and know something was seriously wrong.

EDIT TO ADD: ... I wish we knew how it actually played out that first hour of concern 9:30-10:30 , and if a missing person report was made as early as 10:30 , my hinkey meter goes off
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Arnie, you're a good man. My wonderful, dear husband would not worry about where I was, even if I missed the party. He'd just wonder what the Sam Hill was so important that I forgot about the birthday. Actually, I don't know if it would ever occur to him that I was missing.

 

[GigTu]

I think Thelma purposely left her glasses out in the open to let her husband know she was leaving him to live with another man. Robert was the first person to search the area where his wife walked and he probably wouldn't see her glasses unless he left his vehicle. She probably knew Robert would look for her in that area when she didn't call him nor answer her daughter's phone call. No one saw Thelma so it was the perfect time and place to meet someone. Thelma's glasses weren't broken so she may have placed them there as a sign especially since she is probably aware, after walking in that area for so long, there aren't any cameras in this area. jmo

Can you pleas provide a link that indicates the information you provided above that I bolded? Thankies so much!

As far as your other theories, I sincerely hope that is the outcome. But something nags at me. Sane adults don't just disappear and cut off all communications with the children and grandchildren they obviously cherish and faugn over. Also, the lenses may be plastic, or glass. But it doesn't matter. If thrown from a vehicle on to the grass, the glasses probably wouldn't break. So many possibilities, it's making my head spin.
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[jmyers]

I wondered if there could have been any pressing financial-related "issues" that would have caused her to make a sudden departure.

Further to motive, apparently the Krull's have a Summer property in desirable Lake of the Woods, as well, Robert has a nice city pension (depending on hire date I guess) but he's a retired City bus driver. Divorce can be costly.

 

[Arnie M]

I just read through all the theories.

If you are the husband, you might go to the ladder store, then go ahead buy your ladder and bring it home even if your wife didn't show up. But then, wouldn't you drive back to the ladder store, the pre-planned meeting place? Or would you just leave and go to a birthday party without your wife? This after having shown concern for her welfare by driving around looking for her (as did your daughter) AND you are unable to get ahold of her? Then wait a few hours to call police because *coff* she never came to the party. Really?

Never thought of that , excellent , and if it was me , yes I would get the ladder , and worry about her ride later , she is running late anyway.

Your "theory" fits well , because supposedly it was a loosely planned Saturday morning without a set schedule. The only way I would not buy the ladder was if "she" wanted to pick it out , which is a type of role-reversal in tool purchasing , but not impossible I suppose.