Canada -Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #8 **ARREST**

[Archangel7]

No-one is assuming anything here. I have said I would like to know how someone KNEW it was TB's actual truck. Since then there has been a deluge of attacks and even suggestions of conspiracy theories.
I am glad you follow your own advice and glad that you are very observant of cars and trucks on the road. Hopefully you never have to be drawn into court to explain something so vital as in this current situation, because in court they will want all the facts and probably even ask you on the stand what the plate number was.... gotta be prepared.

When testifying, one sticks to the facts and gives no unsolicited opinions. One doesn't necessarily have to "know" TB's VIN. One just have to present the info. so that it convinces the jury.

 

[Pink Panther]

Yes it might jog a memory to remember a certain type truck. But would it jog it enough to remember the plate number??

Do we know what the license plate number was? Maybe it was unusual or a vanity plate?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Do we know what the license plate number was? Maybe it was unusual or a vanity plate?

No, regular plate 726 7ZW

I agree with blomquist that the plate number was not disseminated in the press at 10:10 Monday night May 6

note spellcheck wants to change 'blomquist' to 'lobotomist', sorry I thought that was funny, does that mean anything? lol

 

[Blomquist]

I salute your straw-man skills, but of course I never said that.

Nevertheless, the other thread was created for people who do wish to explore alternate theories that hinge on things that most of us consider non-issues, like "there is no box around his tattoo" or "no human witness could have spotted the truck without foreknowledge". I do wonder why you guys reject using it when the mods went out of their way to create it for you and to allow the main thread to flow more smoothly. Are the theories only satisfying if someone is around to argue with them?

What is a straw-man skill? Please excuse my ignorance on that. I am not rejecting anything. I didnt realise we had to stay specifically on any thread. I havent posted a theory of any kind from what I can tell so I am not sure why you would direct me to another thread. The theories I have, I have not yet posted as I would hate to offend anyone by suggesting that maybe something else could be considered. I do however try to point out when certain things are not making sense or are questionable....even if only to me. I prefer not to convict before a trial has taken place.

 

[swanna]

CBC was the one that reported "more remains found". I wonder if they are using their same "source".

Exactly.:fence:

 

[paris_paris]

I've been away the last week. Are we questioning the reliability of the person who saw the truck in Brantford? If a pedestrian was almost hit, or another driver saw erratic driving, or someone saw something suspicious... they may have called in the plate right then. That would certainly explain the exact time stamp.

 

[Archangel7]

Thats right, it is my opinion, and I still do not believe many people are out at 10-10pm (according to MSM) logging licence plates. Good for you if you like to do that, were you in Brantford on the 6th May ? ;-)

That kind of deduction will make a poor lawyer or even a junior in a court of law.

I would scratch your itch about the truck ID, but it hasn't been reported in MSM as far as I know, but surely you can figure it out.

How WOULD someone ID the truck without VIN or Plates?

 

[Archangel7]

Exactly.:fence:

I believe the NP reported it also. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...farm-where-tim-bosmas-body-discovered-report/

 

[ArianeEmory]

What is a straw-man skill? Please excuse my ignorance on that.

It means someone says this:

"Also, there's a thread for the "DM is innocent" conspiracy theories."

And you rephrase to make it sound as though they said this:

"you are saying any suggestion that an accused is innocent makes for a Conspiracy Theory"

i.e., putting words into another person's mouth in order to make their position seem more attackable.

I think we can all agree that greater objectivity and adherence to the known facts than displayed with the exchange above would benefit the whole conversation.

(For the record, by conspiracy I mean a conspiracy of multiple people framing him, which is often what is strongly implied with the DM-is-innocent theme. Most of these theories require various extra people to have been 'in on it', such as almost-victim #1, the person who spotted the truck, the guy who stopped by to help the family with the Facebook site, etc etc.)

 

[EspressoBean]

I've been away the last week. Are we questioning the reliability of the person who saw the truck in Brantford? If a pedestrian was almost hit, or another driver saw erratic driving, or someone saw something suspicious... they may have called in the plate right then. That would certainly explain the exact time stamp.

You beat me to this. I would imagine if someone saw the truck speeding, or driving erratically or cutting someone off, they would possibly note the plate. I have done it many times when I note someone that seems to be driving strangely. I take a picture with my phone all the time - license plate and time stamp. I think LE would not be reporting this so confidently if it was just some person claiming to have seen it without any reason to validate.
Seems that the disputes in here are getting kinda personal. Let's try and refocus perhaps?

 

[Storme]

You beat me to this. I would imagine if someone saw the truck speeding, or driving erratically or cutting someone off, they would possibly note the plate. I have done it many times when I note someone that seems to be driving strangely. I take a picture with my phone all the time - license plate and time stamp. I think LE would not be reporting this so confidently if it was just some person claiming to have seen it without any reason to validate.
Seems that the disputes in here are getting kinda personal. Let's try and refocus perhaps?

AGREED on all points!

Further, our only frame of reference in these subjective debates is our own ability to notice detail (or lack thereof). For instance, I am such a bad person to watch movies or TV shows with. Any inconsistency in the scene I pick up and it absolutely ruins it for me (and I in turn revel in what I've seen and proceed to mock it to my fellow movie watcher, and no not in a theatre! It's usually my hubby, lol). Some people are incredibly naturally detail oriented and very aware of their surroundings. Some are not and are better in, say, executive positions where they work on the bigger picture rather than the details. The mistake is to assume that we all look at and interpret the outside world in the same way. We don't, and that's why some make excellent detectives and others make excellent lawyers. Some are good at scanning the present, some succeed in mapping the future, and others excel in scrutinizing the past.

 

[Trigatronic]

What is a straw-man skill? Please excuse my ignorance on that. I am not rejecting anything. I didnt realise we had to stay specifically on any thread. I havent posted a theory of any kind from what I can tell so I am not sure why you would direct me to another thread. The theories I have, I have not yet posted as I would hate to offend anyone by suggesting that maybe something else could be considered. I do however try to point out when certain things are not making sense or are questionable....even if only to me. I prefer not to convict before a trial has taken place.

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[LayzeeDayzee]

Tons of people knew that plate number. It was all over MSM.

Yeah but my understanding is this alleged witness reported seeing TB's truck at 10:10pm of the night he disappeared. You mean TB left for the test drive at 9:20pm and by 10:10pm the media/LE were announcing his truck's descriptions and plate? People were made aware of the plate # AFTER it was released that he was missing.....but surely it wasn't known barely 1 hour after he left his home, I don't think he was publicly reported "missing" to MSM at 10:10pm?

 

[paris_paris]

You beat me to this. I would imagine if someone saw the truck speeding, or driving erratically or cutting someone off, they would possibly note the plate.

Years ago I sold my car to a friend of my son. I let him drive it home with my plates on it. 2 weeks later I got a warning letter from OPP about my erratic driving on that date at that time and the street was named. Another driver had called in my plate.

Another time someone I knew couldn't seem to drive home in a straight line. The driver behind him called his plate in and OPP met him at his driveway.

I'm guessing something similar has happened here.

 

[Blomquist]

You beat me to this. I would imagine if someone saw the truck speeding, or driving erratically or cutting someone off, they would possibly note the plate. I have done it many times when I note someone that seems to be driving strangely. I take a picture with my phone all the time - license plate and time stamp. I think LE would not be reporting this so confidently if it was just some person claiming to have seen it without any reason to validate.
Seems that the disputes in here are getting kinda personal. Let's try and refocus perhaps?

We shall have to wait and see I guess. Although I would have thought LE would have stated if the witness saw it looking suspicious or driving erratically, instead of merely 'driving through Brantford on Monday night'. Will be interesting to know a few more details than just a few crumbs as it were.

 

[Hvaclife]

Has anyone found the name TB company ? Yet also what type of business was the first test driver in ?

 

[Blomquist]

How WOULD someone ID the truck without VIN or Plates?

Thats my point !

 

[Sillybilly]

Yeah but my understanding is this alleged witness reported seeing TB's truck at 10:10pm of the night he disappeared. You mean TB left for the test drive at 9:20pm and by 10:10pm the media/LE were announcing his truck's descriptions and plate? People were made aware of the plate # AFTER it was released that he was missing.....but surely it wasn't known barely 1 hour after he left his home, I don't think he was publicly reported "missing" to MSM at 10:10pm?

Could just be that someone recalled seeing it in a certain location and LE was subsequently able to obtain video from local businesses to support the 10:10 pm.

 

[Storme]

Could it be that surveillance video from an establishment caught the truck in Brantford?

 

[EspressoBean]

We shall have to wait and see I guess. Although I would have thought LE would have stated if the witness saw it looking suspicious or driving erratically, instead of merely 'driving through Brantford on Monday night'. Will be interesting to know a few more details than just a few crumbs as it were.

There are a lot of details that LE has not released. They would have no reason to share how the truck was driving or how it was spotted to the public aside from sating curiosity. We are not trying this case. When there are still potential suspects and this case is a long way off, there is no need to give all of the information that they have before the case. I know that there is information they know that they have not released and I can understand why they wouldn't when it would provide no benefit but only potential detriment to this case. If LE say the truck was seen, chances are, the truck was seen. With the number of tips they have received, I am pretty certain they wouldn't just go on someone calling to say they saw the same truck that night and release that information as fact to the public.