Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, husband arrested for abuse, Oct 2017 #2

[bears10]

In the US, anyone can get an expedited passport. You need to have proof of upcoming travel, and you obviously pay a few hundred dollars extra, but it’s totally possible they got expedited passports without the government doing them any favors, if Canada operates similar to the US in that manner. However, the kids not having birth certificates would be a major issue to obtain a passport. I feel like it’s more likely that officials knew what flight they were coming in on and met them at customs to escort them out since they were considered former hostages. JMO, and obviously I don’t seem to know much about how Canada works, so take my posts with a grain of salt.

 

[JDG]

The children are not automatically Cdn. citizens as they were born outside the country (and were the births even registered?) - someone would have to apply on their behalf. This, plus the process of applying for passports would all take time, and CC would likely be unable to take the children into the US until it's all sorted out. Then any custody issue would add to the complications. IMO, this is probably why CC and her parents are still in Canada (even if she wants to leave JB, which or course we don't know.)

If a child is born outside of Canada to a Canadian Citizen, they are Canadian Citizens. IMO
JB is Canadian.

I havent checked the US regulations but I believe the children would have dual citizenship with CC being an American.IMO

Having said that, I heard recently, that the USA no longer allows dual citizenship but that may be wrong. IMO

The passports can be expedited by paying an extra fee once the paperwork is complete. IMO

EDIT: having read the above posts ^^^ the children must have had paperwork of some sort in order to come into Canada.
From what I read, they do not get birth certificates but a citizenship declaration (sort of paperwork). As Grace states above, they had to have something in order to get into Canada.

 

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If a child is born outside of Canada to a Canadian Citizen, they are Canadian Citizens. IMO
JB is Canadian.

I havent checked the US regulations but I believe the children would have dual citizenship with CC being an American.IMO

Having said that, I heard recently, that the USA no longer allows dual citizenship but that may be wrong. IMO

The passports can be expedited by paying an extra fee once the paperwork is complete. IMO

EDIT: having read the above posts ^^^ the children must have had paperwork of some sort in order to come into Canada.
From what I read, they do not get birth certificates but a citizenship declaration (sort of paperwork). As Grace states above, they had to have something in order to get into Canada.

Yes, the family would have needed travel documents, not regular passports per se..Consular missions can issue different sorts of passports or travel documents.

I think the Canadian Consulate would have issued JB a Temporary Passport to replace the one he no longer had
Or he and the children would have received Emergency Travel Documents from the Consulate.

I think the US consulate would have issued Caitlan a Temporary Passport or emergency travel documents

I do think that once arriving in Ontario that the family would have been able to get expedited birth registrations from the Province of Ontario if he applied,
JB can also apply to the federal gov't for a Certificate of Canadian Citizenship for the children, because they were born abroad to a Canadian Citizen.

 

[bears10]

I think them being released hostages makes the situation a bit different. For instance, I don’t think bowe bergdahl had to wait for a replacement passport before he could return to the country. I’m only using B.B. as an example bc he was the first to pop into my head and I’m tired lol.

 

[Datchery]

I have dual citizenship, so I'm quite sure the US still allows it:

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...nality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html

If you're a dual citizen living abroad, you still have to file US taxes (although depending how much you earn and the tax rate of your country of residence, you may not actually owe any money) and keep up your US passport, as a US citizen has to present a US passport when entering and leaving the country. This applies even to the children of ex-pats who may never have lived in the US.

 

[JDG]

I think them being released hostages makes the situation a bit different. For instance, I don’t think bowe bergdahl had to wait for a replacement passport before he could return to the country. I’m only using B.B. as an example bc he was the first to pop into my head and I’m tired lol.

Apples and oranges. Cant make a comparison. BB was in the US military and they brought him back to America. IMO

JB was a regular citizen, accompanied by his wife and came back to Canada with three children born in 'captivity'. IMO

The military knows what happened with BB. Canadians do not really know what happened with JB and CC and their children. IMO

No similarities, IMO

 

[tijd]

All documents & custody issues aside, if she and a child are the victims, they probably would need to stick around, I would guess. Even if she wasn’t asked to stay local, she’d likely need to come back for court proceedings at some point. Travel, lawyers, etc. cost a lot of money, not to mention healthcare & therapy. I think it’s premature to decide that by staying in Canada right now, she’s “standing by her man.” The charges seem to point to a desire to leave him. To me it sounds like she was trying to get away.

 

[nuff]

If a child is born outside of Canada to a Canadian Citizen, they are Canadian Citizens. IMO
JB is Canadian.
.

Not automatically - see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=365&top=5

 

[Lilibet]

Not automatically - see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=365&top=5

According to your link (quoted below), since the Boyle children were born after April 17, 2009 to a parent we assume was born in Canada, they are Canadian citizens. If JB was born outside of Canada, it gets complicated. But as far as we know, JB was born in Canada, so his children are Canadian citizens. They would be wise to apply for certificates anyway though IMO.

My children were born on or after April 17, 2009

Your children will only be Canadian at birth if you:

• were born in Canada

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=365&top=5

Another link, showing how to determine if you are a Canadian citizen states:

You likely are a Canadian citizen if you…

• were born in Canada

were born outside Canada and at least one of your parents was:

• born in Canada

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...dian-citizen/eligibility/already-citizen.html

 

[JDG]

JB was born in Ontario, Canada. His children were definitely born after 2009. By all information in that link, they are Canadian citizens.

 

[nuff]

JB was born in Ontario, Canada. His children were definitely born after 2009. By all information in that link, they are Canadian citizens.

Yes, but the family still needs to apply for proof, before the passport applications can be made.

 

[JDG]

The link you provided explains the different scenarios for being a Canadian citizen. IMO

The children would have needed some paperwork to be brought into Canada from Afghanistan. IMO

According to your link, they would not get birth certificates but some sort of document and that document would then be used to grant a passport for each child. IMO

 

[bears10]

Apples and oranges. Cant make a comparison. BB was in the US military and they brought him back to America. IMO

JB was a regular citizen, accompanied by his wife and came back to Canada with three children born in 'captivity'. IMO

The military knows what happened with BB. Canadians do not really know what happened with JB and CC and their children. IMO

No similarities, IMO

Well for starters, he was accompanied by his wife who is NOT a Canadian citizen. So the process of getting them all passports would had to have gone thru two different government agencies. Frankly, I don’t think either country would force newly released captives to wait for passports before returning to their home country. At least in the US, which is the passport CC would be traveling on, if she was not there to sign the passport application, there would need to be someone who had power of attorney to sign for her. Or maybe there was a US official in Pakistan who was able to notarize the docs and send them back to the US for processing. That would take days.

If James Foley had survived his captivity, I truly cannot imagine the US govt (or Canadian govt for that matter) saying “hey bud, we know you’ve just gone thru hell and back in captivity, but unfortunately we can’t let you back into the country without a passport”. GMAB.

ETA - making them obtain passports before entering the country doesn’t eliminate any risks. JB is still the same sketch ball that he was before he had a copy of his passport. And CC doesn’t have a Canadian passport, so how was she allowed into the country?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

On reddit mysteries in the comment section of “What really happened to Josh Boyle”, it states that Josh wrote a really gross, shaming, public blog about Caitlyn after their first break up. Has anyone seen this? Is it still on the internet?

 

[JDG]

On reddit mysteries in the comment section of “What really happened to Josh Boyle”, it states that Josh wrote a really gross, shaming, public blog about Caitlyn after their first break up. Has anyone seen this? Is it still on the internet?

I found your quote but the way I read it, its about his ex wife, not Caitlyn. Hope you can find and link it.

 

[Grace.212]

I found your quote but the way I read it, its about his ex wife, not Caitlyn. Hope you can find and link it.

That would be an interesting read!

I wonder if CC now that she has some control over her life with JB behind bars reads what has been said about her on-line.

 

[bears10]

I found your quote but the way I read it, its about his ex wife, not Caitlyn. Hope you can find and link it.

His ex gf, not ex wife.

 

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The Crown attorneys and defence scheduled a judicial pretrial on Jan. 24 where they will meet before a judge behind closed doors to discuss issues related to the trial. (not sure if this happened or not since we have no reports from news media)

JB is to appear before the court again via video link on Jan 26, 2018

 

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-ottawa-charges-court-1.4504010 Jan 26, 2018

Ex-hostage Joshua Boyle to be psychologically assessed

(Lawyer Lawrence Greenspan) Greenspon told court Friday that Boyle has been seen by a doctor, who declared Boyle fit to stand trial.

However, a more in-depth 60-day assessment was recommended.

It will happen at the Brockville Mental Health Centre's forensic treatment unit.

Boyle's next court appearance is scheduled for March 26, once again via video link.

 

[Intermezzo]

The Crown attorneys and defence scheduled a judicial pretrial on Jan. 24 where they will meet before a judge behind closed doors to discuss issues related to the trial. (not sure if this happened or not since we have no reports from news media)

JB is to appear before the court again via video link on Jan 26, 2018

UPDATE
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/joshua-boyle-ottawa-charges-court-1.4504010

A judicial pre-trial — a closed-door proceeding involving a judge, the Crown and defence to talk about matters such as how long a trial might last — happened Wednesday afternoon.