Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, Oct 2017 #1

[bears10]

At this point I’d feel more comfortable with JB CC and the kids crossing the border into the US. Because if a lot of us here are skeptic, I am confident our govt intelligence is salivating, waiting to “talk” to this terrorist wannabe.

I truly believe it’s only a matter of time before he does something drastic. Hopefully Canada’s intelligence feels the same. I do not know much about Canadian politics and views on terrorism besides what I’ve read during this case. Which is that they paid Omar Khadr $10.5 million as an apology for his detainment, and that his sister zaynab is apparently allowed to go back to Canada to visit and had a trip planned to go to Canada soon.

 

[bears10]

RSBM BBM

IF JB feels anyone is judging him (and I don't think he'd care) , he could just stay quiet and help his wife and family adjust.
Keep his mouth shut and concentrate on caring for his family !
No more 'interviews'.

Remember that quote ... "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool...than open your mouth and remove all doubt..." ?
Paraphrased -- but whenever the press has a new statement or interview from JB..... Hmmmmm....

:moo:

He just can’t help himself. Idk what he did for 5 years, unable to publicly praise himself every other day in MSM.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I think it's becoming more and more obvious why C's father hasn't paid these two a visit.

 

[Bellbaby]

I think C's father is the smartest one of the bunch. I understand why he stayed in a different country. He's who I'd really love to hear from.

 

[bears10]

I think it's becoming more and more obvious why C's father hasn't paid these two a visit.

I truly don’t believe she initially took the trip with the same intentions as him. However, after her recent statement, I do wonder if she’s been brainwashed/radicalized. I expected her to rip the scarf off her head the second she got a chance. I think she will do and believe whatever JB tells her to.

Isn’t his father a prominent judge? How is his father not more embarrassed? I mean the interviews with the family while JB and co were in captivity, as well as their behavior since JB and co have been back in Canada, seems as if they do not see a single red flag in their son. Judges are highly respected positions. I am so surprised he is not putting a stop to his son flapping his jaw every five seconds. Makes me think they are enablers who let JB run the show.. either out of fear of upsetting him, or just truly thinking the sun shines out of his butt.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

JB just released another statement

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

His pompousness and virtue signaling are nauseating. His self-serving, terrorist-enabling actions which injured his wife and children are indisputable evidence that his "godliness" is not from God.

There are distressed people in North America that desperately need assistance, but he chose to travel to Afghanistan after marrying into Canada's First Family of Terrorists and advocating for a Gitmo murderer. He's delusional if he believes he's fooled anyone.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I truly don’t believe she initially took the trip with the same intentions as him. However, after her recent statement, I do wonder if she’s been brainwashed/radicalized. I expected her to rip the scarf off her head the second she got a chance. I think she will do and believe whatever JB tells her to.

Isn’t his father a prominent judge? How is his father not more embarrassed? I mean the interviews with the family while JB and co were in captivity, as well as their behavior since JB and co have been back in Canada, seems as if they do not see a single red flag in their son. Judges are highly respected positions. I am so surprised he is not putting a stop to his son flapping his jaw every five seconds. Makes me think they are enablers who let JB run the show.. either out of fear of upsetting him, or just truly thinking the sun shines out of his butt.

I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. I really did. I expected her to rip that hijab off her head as well. And then for a moment I thought maybe they all had lice so she shaved her head and that's why she won't take the darn thing off.

From what I've read she was infatuated with him for years. He treated her like garbage but she still followed him to the ends of the earth.

I think it's pretty telling that with all of the advantages and opportunities typically afforded to a judges' son that JB ended up working at a call center updating Wikipedia articles in his spare time.

 

[bears10]

I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. I really did. I expected her to rip that hijab off her head as well. And then for a moment I thought maybe they all had lice so she shaved her head and that's why she won't take the darn thing off.

From what I've read she was infatuated with him for years. He treated her like garbage but she still followed him to the ends of the earth.

I think it's pretty telling that with all of the advantages and opportunities typically afforded to a judges' son that JB ended up working at a call center updating Wikipedia articles in his spare time.

You also have to wonder who funded a call center employees flight to Russia and backpacking trip thru the Middle East. I worked in a call center when I was like 18 and the pay is not sustainable for an adult, if that if your primary source of money. At least the call centers in my area. How did he support miss al queda and her child? I would love to have been a fly on the wall during their year of marriage.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

When pious people are praised for their piety or acts of mercy or charity, they shun compliments. They respond with "All glory be to God". They never glorify themselves or their works. Joshua Boyle is a sanctimonious, hypocritical fraud and Taliban wannabe.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

You also have to wonder who funded a call center employees flight to Russia and backpacking trip thru the Middle East. I worked in a call center when I was like 18 and the pay is not sustainable for an adult, if that if your primary source of money. At least the call centers in my area. How did he support miss al queda and her child? I would love to have been a fly on the wall during their year of marriage.

It's also been stated that J and C had just purchased a home before leaving for the stans - both safe and unsafe. Which only adds to the confusion. How could these two afford a home and multiple trips abroad? They were married in Costa Rica.

 

[Lilibet]

Do you hear yourself JB?

We can certainly understand that many people do not understand what we were doing in Afghanistan, but the simple truth is that no pious Muslim and no pious Christian and no pious Jew has actually questioned our actions at all. We were raised in, live in and remain in different paradigms than those questioning us are in.

To those who strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is possible. Unfortunately, it's really that simple.”

How does JB know the “piousness” of those questioning him? What JB doesn’t seem to understand in his “piousness” is that no one truly serving God would say that about someone who questions their actions. Such ones are humble, not arrogant. If JB wants to pridefully judge and demean those who question his actions as people who are not devoting their lives to serving God, he can just go his arrogant little way and I will ignore him.

But it concerns me because these prideful thoughts and beliefs can lead to actions against those deemed to be less devoted to God. This superior attitude is what drives terrorists, domestic or foreign. They eventually start to feel that they are called by God to eliminate those who believe differently. I’m not saying that this will happen to JB, but if he doesn’t learn humility, he is in danger of walking on that path. And I can’t ignore that possibility.
JMO

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

You also have to wonder who funded a call center employees flight to Russia and backpacking trip thru the Middle East. I worked in a call center when I was like 18 and the pay is not sustainable for an adult, if that if your primary source of money. At least the call centers in my area. How did he support miss al queda and her child? I would love to have been a fly on the wall during their year of marriage.

The Canadian government considered Zaynab's father to be one of the highest-ranking members of al-Qaeda. Zaynab's father had oodles of illegally and immorally obtained money. She didn't need financial support from Joshua.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Khadr

 

[Elainera]

I agree. I'm all for religious expression and freedom. I enjoy exploring religions and I specifically expose my children to different religions.

But the way he speaks, if your not for/with him, your against him and below him and worthless. It's just something else.

bbm I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Elainera]

Do you hear yourself JB?

We can certainly understand that many people do not understand what we were doing in Afghanistan, but the simple truth is that no pious Muslim and no pious Christian and no pious Jew has actually questioned our actions at all. We were raised in, live in and remain in different paradigms than those questioning us are in.

To those who strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't strive to devote their life to acting as a servant of God, no explanation is possible. Unfortunately, it's really that simple.”

How does JB know the “piousness” of those questioning him? What JB doesn’t seem to understand in his “piousness” is that no one truly serving God would say that about someone who questions their actions. Such ones are humble, not arrogant. If JB wants to pridefully judge and demean those who question his actions as people who are not devoting their lives to serving God, he can just go his arrogant little way and I will ignore him.

But it concerns me because these prideful thoughts and beliefs can lead to actions against those deemed to be less devoted to God. This superior attitude is what drives terrorists, domestic or foreign. They eventually start to feel that they are called by God to eliminate those who believe differently. I’m not saying that this will happen to JB, but if he doesn’t learn humility, he is in danger of walking on that path. And I can’t ignore that possibility.
JMO

http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/joshua-boyle-releases-new-statement-to-ctv-ottawa-1.3647048

I think you're right. This guy could become dangerous. But often terrorists and mass murderers turn out to be the ones without any prior public appearances, and everyone who knew them is confused and surprised about what they did. Boyle might just be the dog that barks but has no bite. Hopefully he just craves an audience. Maybe it was too boring for him with only C's admiration for 5 years and now that he has the ear of the media and millions of people he can't help himself.

I think his father will be mortified at this latest statement. He already kind of apologized for his son's behaviour and words a few days ago. What will he do now? How to shut this guy up?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

What Joshua Boyle interprets as his oldest son’s fearless, astounding personality is actually overdevelopment of his brainstem and damage to his amygdala related to chronic fear state. His children’s brains are permanently damaged because of his “pious” actions. His kids would be less damaged if he threw them against the wall. I'd like to see Joshua Boyle become repentant in prison for his "pious actions" that permanently harmed his children.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3968319/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11523842/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12953293
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430844
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14728093
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10532624
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9230630
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17524488
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29032226
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27774781
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23914151

 

[Fire Dragon]

they may be generalizing western politics and government the same way some westerners generalize life in the Middle East.

Yes, that's the idea. Not so much generalization, but perspective. Even in America, a person raised in New York City has a very different culture and perspective than a person who's never left a small North Dakota farm town. Not right or wrong; not good or bad; not correct or faulty. Just what one is taught and knows.

But how do we know where they are? The twitter account and commenters could be anywhere.

Right. We don't know where they are.

 

[Fire Dragon]

She knows whatever he told her. If he said it, it's true. About Farsi, about their children, about what might constitute 'elementary school math', even though neither of them went to elementary schools (by their own report) nor have experienced public school curriculum as parents. But he knows anyway...

She's dressed in traditional garb from head to toes with a sort of Egyptian-styled hijab. Wedding ring on right hand, why? Before, dressed in abaya. Who taught her how to wrap hijab? Did she bring a wardrobe back with her, or garments given to her by the Pakistani government, or what?
Afghan and Pakistani women wear bright colors, beautiful makeup, gorgeous jewelry, pants, even yoga tights.
Her appearance is a sort of caricature of desperate generic middle-eastern Western stereotype, what one might imagine a costume to look like.

 

[Fire Dragon]

"...he's gone from complaining about the captain "Abdurahman" beating him with a stick..."

Abdurahman? Abdurahman Khadr. He just happens to name his ex-wife's brother. Too weird.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cia-paid-me-to-spy-abdurahman-khadr-1.514929

"...no pious Muslim and no pious Christian and no pious Jew has actually questioned our actions..."
Hyperbole. How would he know?

I'm curious why his ex-wife divorced him after a year.

 

[Datchery]

Who the heck is he to define who is and is not "pious"?

And again, how would he think he was going to be able to "help" the people of Afghanistan by going to a dangerous region, with no supplies or support, and with a wife nearing, if not into, her third trimester? That isn't a religious calling. It is fantasyland. Unless, of course, he had purposes for going other than "helping" the villagers.

Also, JB can't have it both ways. Either it was A-OK for him to bring more kids into captivity because he and CC wanted a big family, or the children suffered unbearable torment. If the kids were living without access to sunlight in a hole in the ground, being beaten with sticks, and screaming in terror whenever their brutal captors entered the room, there's no sane person of any religion who would see the deliberate choice to bring more kids into that situation as anything but unimaginable selfishness. Who cares that you wanted more kids? Isn't part of the idea of sacrificing in the name of religion that you willingly give up certain personal desires?

 

[chinacat67]

Excellent analogy. JB had a plan, and a back up plan in case plan "A" didn't work out. JB POSED as a "Greg Mortenson wannabee". That was his back up plan, IMO. Plan A was "western islamist savior". IMO.

I think this has a lot to do with "why" the U.S. government press release was so stark and non-committal about their status, and didn't mention Canada at all.

Yes, he went of his own free will. IMO, he manipulated/ persuaded/ beguiled her into the trip. She went of her own free will, too.

Many people, in western societies, frequently feel they are "entitled" to make colossally, horribly bad life decisions. The serious problems begin when someone's very bad decisions impact other people. And/ or require substantial tax resources.

Maybe I'm alone in my opinion, but I don't think we should expend government diplomacy, military members and their safety, and substantial resources "rescuing" western private citizens who *intentionally* go to dangerous and violent parts of the world and put themselves in harm's way. They should understand they will be on their own, or appeal to NGOs if they need to be rescued. And I'd feel the same way if it was my own grown child or family member. There should be no expectation the U.S. government will intervene, or mount substantial "rescue" efforts if a citizen CHOOSES to go to a very dangerous and troubled part of the world. Free choice = acceptance of consequences. IMO.

That's the part that keeps me intrigued. Our current US President would be using this daily/hourly as propaganda if it was a straight forward case.

His lack of claiming victory (he claims it for EVERYTHING and not this?!?!?) makes zero sense unless there is way more to it.

JMO.

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