Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, Oct 2017 #1

[chinacat67]

But how do we know where they are? The twitter account and commenters could be anywhere. And even if they are located where they say we have no idea how honest they're being. Read the comments on any news article and most are from people who seem clueless or say things just to antagonize others. The "Voice of Jihad" news site attached to the twitter account is not MSM in any country.

Which is why I think both those screenshot may be outside TOS re social media...

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[chinacat67]

He's a psychopath. MOO

Delusional. And I suspect his rhetoric may track to middle east militant rhetoric (god willing, religious soldier fighting the righteous fight)...

As always, MOO

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[Lilibet]

Which is why I think both those screenshot may be outside TOS re social media...

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Yes, screenshots are not allowed, even if it’s considered MSM as far as I know. When it comes to comments, it’s considered rumor and we aren’t even supposed to mention them. I admit to forgetting and being sloppy about this and using commenters initials to direct attention. So it’s good for me to review the rules from time to time or consult a mod if I have questions.

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[Lilibet]

OT—The rules linked above were posted by our dear mod Bessie. Her husband just lost his battle with cancer. Here is the link for those who wish to post their condolences.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...derator-Bessie-s-Husband-Mr-B-has-Passed-Away

 

[Fire Dragon]

Noted. Thank you.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

http://nation.com.pk/21-Oct-2017/confusion-that-is-joshua-boyle


"Confusion that is Joshua Boyle"

 

[human]

Interesting! It's Three Cups of Tea, actually. Boyle's plans may well have paralleled it.

Did you hear Greg Mortenson, the mountain climber/school builder, speak or the co-author David Relin? Relin claimed sole authorship but was listed as a co-author. The accuracy of the events in the story and in Mortenson's handling of the money raised for the charity were challenged by 60 Minutes and Jon Krakauer. Relin later committed suicide.

Mortenson's followup book included having been kidnapped by the Taliban. The supposed captors claimed he'd been a guest. And locals stated the Taliban didn't exist there at the time he claimed he was held.

I heard Mortenson. It was so dang inspiring. He and the book were amazing. The sacrifices he made. Working and sleeping in his car, was it? I forget because it was several years ago.

Inspiritional to think schools could change things instead lf bombs.

It was horrible to find out it was fake.

People in the stans are real people .They love, they cry. For those of us that wish well for everyone, it was such an inspirational message. Too bad it was not true

 

[human]

Excellent analogy. JB had a plan, and a back up plan in case plan "A" didn't work out. JB POSED as a "Greg Mortenson wannabee". That was his back up plan, IMO. Plan A was "western islamist savior". IMO.

I think this has a lot to do with "why" the U.S. government press release was so stark and non-committal about their status, and didn't mention Canada at all.

Yes, he went of his own free will. IMO, he manipulated/ persuaded/ beguiled her into the trip. She went of her own free will, too.

Many people, in western societies, frequently feel they are "entitled" to make colossally, horribly bad life decisions. The serious problems begin when someone's very bad decisions impact other people. And/ or require substantial tax resources.

Maybe I'm alone in my opinion, but I don't think we should expend government diplomacy, military members and their safety, and substantial resources "rescuing" western private citizens who *intentionally* go to dangerous and violent parts of the world and put themselves in harm's way. They should understand they will be on their own, or appeal to NGOs if they need to be rescued. And I'd feel the same way if it was my own grown child or family member. There should be no expectation the U.S. government will intervene, or mount substantial "rescue" efforts if a citizen CHOOSES to go to a very dangerous and troubled part of the world. Free choice = acceptance of consequences. IMO.

No rescues of people mountain climbing, sailing, other dangerous pursuits?

 

[human]

Who the heck is he to define who is and is not "pious"?

And again, how would he think he was going to be able to "help" the people of Afghanistan by going to a dangerous region, with no supplies or support, and with a wife nearing, if not into, her third trimester? That isn't a religious calling. It is fantasyland. Unless, of course, he had purposes for going other than "helping" the villagers.

Also, JB can't have it both ways. Either it was A-OK for him to bring more kids into captivity because he and CC wanted a big family, or the children suffered unbearable torment. If the kids were living without access to sunlight in a hole in the ground, being beaten with sticks, and screaming in terror whenever their brutal captors entered the room, there's no sane person of any religion who would see the deliberate choice to bring more kids into that situation as anything but unimaginable selfishness. Who cares that you wanted more kids? Isn't part of the idea of sacrificing in the name of religion that you willingly give up certain personal desires?

Reading on WS, you see all kinds of people in the US bringing kids up in undesireavle situations such as David Koresh and Scientology. And the horrifying blanket training of the quiverful movement.

 

[Hiandmighty]

I'm done with him.

I'm not buying any of it. I don't think they were "hostages". None of us would bring children into a true hostage situation, especially once they "killed" my child.

The three kids are doomed, moo, sadly. There is no way they will turn out OK.

 

[Lilibet]

No rescues of people mountain climbing, sailing, other dangerous pursuits?

I can’t speak for the OP, but it appears she was only speaking of not using military forces and diplomacy when people voluntarily go to politically dangerous and violent areas of the world on their own, not part of an organization. Rescues of people mountain climbing, sailing, etc are generally considered good training by the entities involved in the rescue, even if it’s the Coast Guard and even if the people made a stupid decision. Rescue first and sort out responsibility later. I think the State Department websites make it pretty clear that individuals can’t count on help in dangerous areas.

U.S.
https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/afghanistan-travel-warning.html

Canada is even more blunt, saying that you are responsible for your personal safety if you choose to go.
https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/afghanistan

 

[Stunned]

When pious people are praised for their piety or acts of mercy or charity, they shun compliments. They respond with "All glory be to God". They never glorify themselves or their works. Joshua Boyle is a sanctimonious, hypocritical fraud and Taliban wannabe.

Absolutely agree with this statement!

 

[Stunned]

Reading this thread has totally fascinated and appalled me! Their kidnappers weren't religious enough so they were going to tattle to ISIS??? Am I reading that correctly? I honestly think he thought he was going to be welcomed into the Taliban with open arms. Maybe that didn't work out and he decided to reach out to ISIS and be embraced by them? Good luck with that!
His family are the victims here, not so much him. MOO.

 

[Elainera]

Reading this thread has totally fascinated and appalled me! Their kidnappers weren't religious enough so they were going to tattle to ISIS??? Am I reading that correctly? I honestly think he thought he was going to be welcomed into the Taliban with open arms. Maybe that didn't work out and he decided to reach out to ISIS and be embraced by them? Good luck with that!
His family are the victims here, not so much him. MOO.

I think it was the Western guard who was gonna leave and tell ISIS about the rape, not Josh.

 

[Stunned]

I think it was the Western guard who was gonna leave and tell ISIS about the rape, not Josh.

But Josh told him about rape and their treatment?

 

[Bellbaby]

It's difficult to follow, because JB has one timeline and set of details, CC has another, then govt's that have different facts as well. Plus it is complicated by a personality disorder and inadequacy issues, IMO. Then trauma to the victims mental state. Can't get a clear picture here.

 

[Elainera]

But Josh told him about rape and their treatment?

Yes that's how I understood it.

 

[Hiandmighty]

It's difficult to follow, because JB has one timeline and set of details, CC has another, then govt's that have different facts as well. Plus it is complicated by a personality disorder and inadequacy issues, IMO. Then trauma to the victims mental state. Can't get a clear picture here.

This is true.

Hypothetically speaking, Mental illness (pre captivity and exacerbated by abuse post captivity) could be a LARGE factor here.

 

[Lilibet]

This is true.

Hypothetically speaking, Mental illness (pre captivity and exacerbated by abuse post captivity) could be a LARGE factor here.

I think that may have been what his parents were implying when they asked the press to back off. The silence only lasted a few days, if that. I don’t think JB is able to be quiet, whatever his disorder was/is.
JMO

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I think that may have been what his parents were implying when they asked the press to back off. The silence only lasted a few days, if that. I don’t think JB is able to be quiet, whatever his disorder was/is.
JMO

I don't think he can keep quiet either. For the first time he has an audience and he's not going to miss an opportunity to prove his superiority.