Car Seat in 98 Pontiac POLL ADDED

[lizzysf]

Dimensions of the chair itself ....(ignore the black pad)

Imagine Caylee sitting in chair 3, with her head about 3 inches below the top like in pic one. The top of the fabric insert I marked on the left arm would not even reach her face. But in pic 1..it reaches to nose level on her.

Different angle, lens nor scale should account for this much difference in the 2, IMO.

Bumping... Snaz...do you think that chair 3 and 2 are the same and 1 is different? You said that 2 looks higher. I think 3 looks higher also than 1.

 

[gaelicpeas]

Bumping... Snaz...do you think that chair 3 and 2 are the same and 1 is different? You said that 2 looks higher. I think 3 looks higher also than 1.

These are the key pics that show the difference, IMO. The lighting and scaling is completely different in both pics, yes. However, if you use a ruler and measure the difference between the top of the seat to the logo on one pic, and you find that ratio, and then measure the same thing on the other seat using its own ratio, you will see that they are not the same. Ack... lol, I am having a hard time explaining this!

 

[TakeNote]

Bumping... Snaz...do you think that chair 3 and 2 are the same and 1 is different? You said that 2 looks higher. I think 3 looks higher also than 1.

to me....these two seats do not look the same to me.....

the top one with an older caylee is rounder -wider-shorter at top

the other one....empty....

is longer up to the top...more square looking....more narrow.....and much lighter color....

 

[lizzysf]

These are the key pics that show the difference, IMO. The lighting and scaling is completely different in both pics, yes. However, if you use a ruler and measure the difference between the top of the seat to the logo on one pic, and you find that ratio, and then measure the same thing on the other seat using its own ratio, you will see that they are not the same. Ack... lol, I am having a hard time explaining this!

I did that too.. All I can say is don't be fooled by the "angle and lens" explanation until you actually do these measurements. Then decide.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Just bumping the pics up.

If you look at the second photo of Caylee in her carseat when she is the youngest, if you look on the top right at the latch, it is dark in color, I presume black, not orange. So this one is definately different.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Because of the inconsistencies in the angles, lighting, camera and grade of the pictures this is really hard to compare! I think we have to disregard all the red portions that are in photo #3 because they wouldn't be in sight because the angles of the other pictures don't show those same areas. The color is difficult because the hues will vary depending on camera, lighting and printing. The best way, I think, to compare the colors would be to compare the values not the hues. In other words to look at how the lightness/darkness (values) of each car seat contrasts to the interior of the car. (See how even the car interior "color" (hue) looks different in each picture? Well, the contrast between the car interior and the car seats look about the same to me . . . I don't think you can be very definite about it, though.
The only difference that interests me is the shoulder straps. They are either hidden in picture #3 or they are the wrong color. But I can't see where they go through the slots even when I magnify it to 400%. And as has already been pointed out, if they have been disconnected that means that the seat had been removed ~ which would be very suspicious!!
My observations are few and not enlightening enough for me to make a solid decision ~ but I've sure enjoyed this thread and all the work everyone has put into it!! Wish we could find more pictures for comparison.

 

[AZlawyer]

If you look at the second photo of Caylee in her carseat when she is the youngest, if you look on the top right at the latch, it is dark in color, I presume black, not orange. So this one is definately different.

All 3 seats have the black latch-looking thing sticking up on the sides. Only in #3 is the angle correct to see the orange part.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Because of the inconsistencies in the angles, lighting, camera and grade of the pictures this is really hard to compare! I think we have to disregard all the red portions that are in photo #3 because they wouldn't be in sight because the angles of the other pictures don't show those same areas. The color is difficult because the hues will vary depending on camera, lighting and printing. The best way, I think, to compare the colors would be to compare the values not the hues. In other words to look at how the lightness/darkness (values) of each car seat contrasts to the interior of the car. (See how even the car interior "color" (hue) looks different in each picture? Well, the contrast between the car interior and the car seats look about the same to me . . . I don't think you can be very definite about it, though.
The only difference that interests me is the shoulder straps. They are either hidden in picture #3 or they are the wrong color. But I can't see where they go through the slots even when I magnify it to 400%. And as has already been pointed out, if they have been disconnected that means that the seat had been removed ~ which would be very suspicious!!
My observations are few and not enlightening enough for me to make a solid decision ~ but I've sure enjoyed this thread and all the work everyone has put into it!! Wish we could find more pictures for comparison.

It is obvious in picture 2 what is red/orange, look at the release button in between caylee's legs, it is red/orange. Now look up to the top right at the latch that is facing up it is black. In the other picture, it is facing down and orange/red. That is obvious.

 

[JBean]

If you look at the second photo of Caylee in her carseat when she is the youngest, if you look on the top right at the latch, it is dark in color, I presume black, not orange. So this one is definately different.

The orange portion is not visible on all seats so we cannot use that as a comparison.

ETA: IN picture 3 the top latch is black and the bottom latch is orange, but we can only see the top latch in other pictures so we have no way of knowing if they are orange.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

The carseats are the same, IMO (which doesn't mean a cover wasn't replaced at any point in time. The things are removable and replaceable).

The reason the black pad is lower in the 2nd pic is because what holds it "up" is the harness straps when tightened around a child. Without the child in the seat, the pad would "slip down" to touch the bottom of the inner carseat seat (its natural position at the lowest harness setting).

In the comparison of the 2 different pictures I think perspective - foreshortening - is at fault. The first has the seat positioned more head-on towards the viewer, and the second is at a much different side-angle. This makes it look like points don't line up when they in fact do IRL.

Another angle:

Here's a video with the seat type in question http://images.google.com/imgres?img...rg.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&start=240&um=1

/not a carseat tech, but faithfully haunting carseat.org since 2003.

Brought this over from front of thread.......
The pad of the seat you have pictured is not removeable, therefore, it will not slip down if a child is in or out of it. The carseat you have pictured is the Eddie Bauer Deluxe Convetible seat for a child 22-40 pounds, 34-43 inches in height and over 1 year in age.
So where is Caylee's first carseat?
The picture of the first carseat is the newer carseat. The one that LE has in evidence I would theorize is her old carseat and the one in the attic is CA's carseat. The newer carseat is long gone! JMO of course.

 

[CarrieSis]

Truth I already replied directly to you regarding the seat from the first time you replied that to me.

HERE is the post: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4341684&postcount=220"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Car Seat in 98 Pontiac POLL ADDED[/ame]

And here is the relevant answer I gave:

The seat I pictured and the ones shown in pic #1 and #3 being referred to, is of a CONVERTIBLE carseat; the answer is in your question. Convertible means it goes from (typically) 5-33lbs rear facing and then converts to face forward to around 40lbs. (Exact lb guidelines vary by manufacturer). This may indeed have been her first carseat OR the Anthony's may have had a single infant bucket seat (5-22lbs rearfacing only) with 2 seperate *bases* for when she was an infant (a common setup with parents using multiple cars).

The pad is not removable, but if you look at the height of the harness strap openings they are quite low; it's likely that the pad moves upward when the harness is adjusted higher in order for the holes to line up correctly.

 

[lizzysf]

If you google for images of E.B. carseats..you can find many 'similar' seats that all have the same armrests, orange circle and strap latches in the same places. Seems they used that style for awhile but other characteristics were changed..ie: cushions, shape of the chair, straps.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Truth I already replied directly to you regarding the seat from the first time you replied that to me.

HERE is the post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Car Seat in 98 Pontiac POLL ADDED

And here is the relevant answer I gave:

It was never intended to be an infant car seat nor was this car seat a backwards facing carseat. This seat was meant for a child 22-40 pounds, 34-43 inches in height and over 1 year in age. I obtained my information from youtube, installation instructions but could not link. Sorry.

I also only intended to use your quote for the picture in the quote, as to discuss the seat's child size recommendations. Did not mean to quote the whole thing again, but did.

Boyhidee when we chew on somthin', we chew on it!:crazy:

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

If you google for images of E.B. carseats..you can find many 'similar' seats that all have the same armrests, orange circle and strap latches in the same places. Seems they used that style for awhile but other characteristics were changed..ie: cushions, shape of the chair, straps.

Yes, I did that too. There were soo many models and styles, I got myself confused what I was even looking for. Had to go another route.:loser:

 

[CarrieSis]

If it is the seat that I posted the picture of, it most definitely is a 3-in-1. The "Eddie Bauer Deluxe Convertible" IS a 3-in-1 seat. I have no idea what you saw on YouTube, but I posted a link to the actual manual for that carseat and it is definitely a rearfacing THEN forward facing seat.

This is the newer model of the same seat (wings have been added to the headcushion) on Amazon:
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Eddie-Bauer-Deluxe-Convertible-Seat/dp/B000BF5GGC"]Amazon.com: Eddie Bauer® Deluxe Convertible Car Seat: Baby[/ame]
It states:

The convertible car seat grows with the child from infant (rear facing) to toddler (front facing) to belt positioner, which holds children from 30-80lbs.

Now if you refer back to the manual I posted, that should be the seat Caylee is pictured in - before the 2006 redesign that added the headrest wings. And it is also, as listed in the manual, a 3 in 1 seat.

Even on YouTube it refers to it as a 3 in 1 seat.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5-48BzOubk"]YouTube - Sears.ca Answer Area - Eddie Bauer™ Deluxe 3-in-1 Convertible Car Seat[/ame]

 

[CarrieSis]

Wow, I didn't know that it would embed with the quote function.. dude! LOL

 

[CarrieSis]

Aaah I'm finding the confusion, I think I apologize!

THIS is the model, which is simply a high-back booster, that Caylee is pictured in:
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Eddie-Bauer-Deluxe-Booster-Astoria/dp/B001FB5BB6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=baby-products&qid=1256622310&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Eddie Bauer Deluxe High Back Booster Car Seat in Astoria: Baby[/ame]

And here is the current model 3 in 1.
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Eddie-Bauer-Deluxe-Convertible-Charcoal/dp/B000JJMF50"]Amazon.com: Eddie Bauer Deluxe Convertible Car Seat Charcoal and Light Gray: Baby[/ame]

I blame lack of sleep! Somewhere the first picture was substituted for the description of the 2nd when I did my searches last night, and I didn't catch it.

 

[CarrieSis]

Truth, does the picture on this page help with what I'm describing for the pad moving with the harness on a higher setting?

http://www.fixya.com/support/p93967-eddie_bauer_deluxe_high_back_booster_22

 

[Misfitdolly]

While Caylee's seat is called a "high back booster car seat" it is a harnessed seat as well as a booster seat (usually booster seat refers to a seat that the child sits in and pulls the car's seat belt across them). This seat does both. It is a harnessed seat that can be converted into a booster seat by removing the harness. The black plastic (with the orange underneath) on the upper sides of the seat are the seat belt guide for using it as a booster.

Those asking where is Caylee's first seat since this one starts at 22lbs, she likely had one like this
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Graco-SnugRide-Infant-Tango-Tongo/dp/B001PNAL5U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=baby-products&qid=1256650995&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: Graco SnugRide Infant Car Seat, Tango in the Tongo: Baby[/ame]
which go up to 22lbs typically, some go to 30lbs. She could have used this seat until she was around a year and then switched into the seat we are discussing.

 

[Marina2]

Just posting some pics of the car seat I have. You can clearly see that lighting changes the color. In one, the seat looks green and it is brown. I think what is important is the fact that the straps are not thread through the slots in LE pic and they are too low for a child Caylee's age. The pad does not slip down when not in use and the straps remain through the slots. It is firmly affixed to the back of the seat. The car seat in the LE pic has had the pad removed and put back without threading the belts through the slot, nor adjusting the height for Caylee's size. It is a pain to do this and easy to affix the pad to the back and forget to thread the straps through first. The car seat I have is not intended for children less than 22 pounds nor under 1 year of age so would not be used as a rear-facing infant seat.