Car Seat in 98 Pontiac POLL ADDED

[Woe.be.gone]

Do you have a link to the more descriptive version of the carseat in OSCO's posession? I have looked and came up empty handed. Nothing at this point is proven or dispelled... but I do believe with the info in the depo, it is worth questioning.

linked above in Post 27, last page within link (of course!). The carseat went from OSCO's hands into the hands of the FBI. Same carseat, different identification numbers.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I wonder too about the seat cover being changed. They asked Cindy about removable seat cover.

If not changed, it would not surprise me if it had been removed and washed and put back on again prior to OSCO taking the car seat - would not surprise me at all.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

I will say that I could be overthinking it, which is a tendency of mine, so bear that in mind.....

But, the statement she made that the car seat is in the attic is telling to me. It just seems like an odd place to put it. Not odd if you are trying to hide it, but if you are cooperating w/ LE and know they have been interested in virtually everything that Caylee came in contact w/ in the A home and vehicles, why would you put it in such an out of the way place?

 

[lizzysf]

When you read the line of questioning in the depo regarding the 2 carseats.. It sure appears that they have uncovered something. The questions are asked so she commits to an answer, obviously, and what they have found will discredit her story. Just like the rest of the depo..they are eliciting answers from her for very specific reasons. They know. I am just trying to figure out what they know about the 2 carseats It's too easy to skim over the depo and miss some of the important stuff because it doesn't ring a bell or seem important. All the lines of questioning hold something important, IMO. They wouldn't waste their time with non-issue questions.

 

[AZlawyer]

When you read the line of questioning in the depo regarding the 2 carseats.. It sure appears that they have uncovered something. The questions are asked so she commits to an answer, obviously, and what they have found will discredit her story. Just like the rest of the depo..they are eliciting answers from her for very specific reasons. They know. I am just trying to figure out what they know about the 2 carseats It's too easy to skim over the depo and miss some of the important stuff because it doesn't ring a bell or seem important. All the lines of questioning hold something important, IMO. They wouldn't waste their time with non-issue questions.

Oh, I agree. I just think the issue about the car seat is not that it was switched with another one. I certainly wouldn't put it past Cindy to wash it, but the FBI description did say there were brown areas (stains, I assume).

 

[lizzysf]

Oh, I agree. I just think the issue about the car seat is not that it was switched with another one. I certainly wouldn't put it past Cindy to wash it, but the FBI description did say there were brown areas (stains, I assume).

Not so sure. We don't know for a fact that hers is really brown and tan. No one has ever seen it. They could have bought 2 identical seats at the same time. Hers is not in LE posession....unless, of course they got it from her sometime after the depo when she says it's in the attic. They definetely want to know what stores they purchased things for Caylee at during the questioning about the carseats. Did they find records of a purchase in the financial records of the A's proving that the 2 were purchased at the same time perhaps?

 

[lizzysf]

Cindy also states these 2 carseats were the convert type so they could be used from infancy on.. How about accessories purchased with the seats or accessories that came with the seats, such as seat covers.. How many?

 

[lizzysf]

I would think that LE would have seen the carseat in the back of Cindy's 4Runner when they were at the house and would taken it as well. I think she took it out of the car before LE got there for SOME reason. Why wouldn't they have taken it??

 

[Spangle]

I would think that LE would have seen the carseat in the back of Cindy's 4Runner when they were at the house and would taken it as well. I think she took it out of the car before LE got there for SOME reason. Why wouldn't they have taken it??

They would have had to have it on the warrent. If the LE didn't think the family would have switched them out, then they might not have thought to request all the car seats.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Cindy also states these 2 carseats were the convert type so they could be used from infancy on.. How about accessories purchased with the seats or accessories that came with the seats, such as seat covers.. How many?

In 13 years of using car seats and boosters.....(my youngest is nearly big enough to graduate from his booster seat......Yay!) I have only had a seat come w/ the cover that is on it. You can get covers that specficially fit that seat from the manufacturer. ( I once ordered one, b/c I washed the cover and it did not fit right after air drying, even, and the seat was a Britax, and I didn't want to shell out $$ for another seat, but I'm veering off course here......) Or you can buy generic covers that cover, but don't provide the snug fit that the cover gave that the seat came with. Where am I going w/ this.......I forgot....Well, Eddie Bauer seats of the type the As had I've seen at Target. The extra accessories available I've only seen at specialty baby stores or from the manufacturer.

Sorry. I still don't know what my original thought was when I was replying to your post! It was there.....

 

[lizzysf]

How about this? What if LE got a tipster call. Someone that says.. I worked at such and such store and I recognized Casey and Cindy on TV and remember them coming into the store and buying 2 Eddie Bauer carseats at the same time. Maybe remembering because most people don't buy 2 at the same time for 1 child?
LE wants to know what stores they shopped at in the depo. LE could have already dug up that record of purchase from such and such store. They catch Cindy in a lie saying Casey bought her seat on her own. Maybe the tipster call is when they discovered there were 2 carseats? Now they are questioning Cindy about her seat?
Just trying to think out of the box here.. bear with me

 

[cecybeans]

Fooling around with the car seat or cover also makes sense in light of something else CA said in her depo. She mentioned wiping the "mama" dolls face, which was found in the car seat. That doll is cloth she said, but has a plastic face. She mentioned she did it because it was not as clean as she thought it ought to be. Yeah. Right. She comes home with the Deathmobile and takes out a steak knife which she quickly washes and returns to the box under the silverware, removes a pair of KC's pants, which she washes (and which could not possibly smell like smoke after being in that car for two weeks, they would smell like a dead child) and takes the time to wipe a baby doll's face. Everything else she just takes out and sets aside on the cooler.

And she does all this before she can even locate her daughter to find out what happened. And before she decides to return to work to give the appearance that she and GA are not tampering with what they both know is evidence.

I find it odd as well that her car seat is stored in the attic; that garage is full of items on shelves, like the pet carriers, and items at least as large, like coolers.

If LP is right and they replaced the washer and dryer, they'd better hope they replaced the hoses on the vacs and the wetvac.

And if people's speculation that something physical happened to Caylee in the carseat is true (and the missing tooth is an indication of foul play), then perhaps that is another reason, in addition to the duct tape, that allowed Dr. G to establish Caylee's death as a homicide.

Somebody needs to tell CA that telling a half truth is the same thing as being half-pregnant.

 

[lizzysf]

The million dollar question is.. if she did tamper with the carseat, did she do it to remove obvious evidence she found, such as blood, or just odor? She says she just Febreezed the inside of the car. I think Cindy for sure put the dryer sheets in the car to mask the odor. I am convinced that whatever LE knows about the carseats is NOT limited to odor removal. They are questioning her about BOTH seats.

 

[JBean]

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[static]

ok I found this...must be what he is talking about
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/22/ng.01.html

 

[lizzysf]

It boggles my mind that Cindy says Caseys car seat was black and white. It was clearly black and dark grey as shown in the pics. So Cindy, goes through the car, lifts up carseat to see if anything was under it, finds mama doll in the seat, has seen the carseat since Caylee was an infant, likely even purchased it, and recalls that it was black and white? She probably even sold the pic of Caylee in the carseat that we have all seen...and can't remember its color? The only white I see on it is the Eddie Bauer logo (in plain sight) yet she doesn't remember the brand. This is so Cindy. I don't buy it. What is she plotting? Hmmm.

 

[celticthyme]

Edie Bauer Car Seat

 

[3doglady]

I think the significance of the car seat is that Caylee was taped to it. Wasn't it the 13" piece of tape that had fringe hair(chest or neck) on it? What would be the point of taping Caylee's chest unless you are going to tape it to something? Maybe adhesive was found on the carseat and the SA was trying to verify the fact that that specific carseat was KC's. The was speculation early on that Caylee did not have on clothes. Someone posted yesterday that all the items were found in the garage. Plastic bags, laundry bag, duct tape and possible dirty clothes(striped shorts and pink shirt). LE verified in their communication that the car seat had been placed in a box and nothing had been had been done to it. That could have been asked to verify that LE did not tape anything to it.

 

[lizzysf]

I think the significance of the car seat is that Caylee was taped to it. Wasn't it the 13" piece of tape that had fringe hair(chest or neck) on it? What would be the point of taping Caylee's chest unless you are going to tape it to something? Maybe adhesive was found on the carseat and the SA was trying to verify the fact that that specific carseat was KC's. The was speculation early on that Caylee did not have on clothes. Someone posted yesterday that all the items were found in the garage. Plastic bags, laundry bag, duct tape and possible dirty clothes(striped shorts and pink shirt). LE verified in their communication that the car seat had been placed in a box and nothing had been had been done to it. That could have been asked to verify that LE did not tape anything to it.

Why would she tape her to the carseat when all she had to do was shoulder strap her in as shown in the picture? And driving around with a child duct taped to a car seat would draw a bit of attention I would think... A 13" piece of tape wouldn't accomplish that anyway. JMO

 

[3doglady]

Why would she tape her to the carseat when all she had to do was shoulder strap her in as shown in the picture? I don't think at all that she was taped to the seat. JMO

When my son was two the straps would not keep him in. He could get out of those in a heartbeat.