KC wouldn't have shown up on the marine's doorstep as a single mother. There was no Caylee to take with her. I don't know enough about the marine to know whether or not he was open to settling down with her but it's a far stretch, in my mind, being willing to begin exploring that possibility and having someone show up on one's doorstep, bag and hat in hand. Do we know if he even had his own place? Wasn't he active military?
Also, the life he had to offer her may not have seemed nearly as exciting as the life with TL. Remember too, LP's observation that has been shown true time and again: KC lives her life 10 minutes at a time. Also think of KC showing up there without Caylee, without funds, without anything but a suitcase. So far from home and everything she knew. That would be pretty scary for anyone but especially for this spoiled woman-child who seemed incapable of going farther than j-ville on her own.
Sure, she could spin the yarn about leaving Caylee with her parents or the imaginanny but sooner or later she was going to have to come up with something. And I don't think it could be that she put Caylee up for adoption or gave her away. That wouldn't fit with the persona that KC had made up for herself. Maybe the 'secret' she had to tell him was whatever cover story she had made up and maybe she was going to admit defeat in not being able to juggle motherhood, school and her glamorous job but I kind of doubt it.
Either way, I don't recall ever seeing him offer to have her move in with him. Nor did I see him fawning over her as she required. Leaving JG because he loved Caylee more than her could be a sign of BPD, as I've already discussed. And TL was willing to take her in now. Maybe she was still working on the marine on the side and hoping he'd be coming through as her escape plan. Remember also Timer55. She thought she had nearly two months to get it all together and explore her options. Sure, Amy would be back soon and eventually discover the checks. She'd deal with that after "work" tonight at Fusian. Or maybe she had already thought of a way to deal with that, when it came up. Maybe she was going to tell Amy about the kidnapping and her "desperation" like she told LE in her interview at Universal.
I disagree with you about TL not having any interest in Caylee. The reason he didn't want her around was because there were activities going on that she shouldn't be around. He did have Caylee over several times and took her swimming. He asked about her when she stopped coming. His friends asked about her when she stopped coming. He didn't have to cooperate with LE to the extent he did; repeated interviews, road trips, wearing a wire. I think he did these things not only because they were the right thing to do but also for Caylee. In these text messages we're discussing, he didn't lament that KC couldn't come to him that night. He wanted to come to her. It seemed he wanted to meet her parents. He even remembered CA was a tea drinker, though we don't know how he came by that bit of info. It also seemed he had no problems with her suggestions that they'd be able to spend more time together after the three day period was up, and that would necessarily include Caylee.
I'm not willing to judge this guy a loser, especially based on these text messages. Consider also they'd been dating a month already. There were probably lots of times he wanted to see KC but couldn't and there were probably several times he saw KC with Caylee. So far so good and now these messages show he's wanting to get in with the 'rents. To me it's bizarre that he thinks it would be ok for him to stay the night there but who knows what KC had told him to lead him to that assumption. Again, wasn't just scratching an itch; was wanting to stay the night and get Starbucks in the a.m.
Well, I started to snip this for space but really couldn't do it justice by removing anything, aside from my own little poke at sarcasm. Lin, I think it's great you disagree with me, if we all agreed one person would post and a hundred of us would follow with ITA. By respectfully disagreeing with each other we have room to explore other idea's and have uncovered a lot of interesting information, we couldn't do on our own.
I don't think TonE is a loser, nor a bad guy. I think he is a young man caught up in a horrible situation that was none of his making. I dislike all the overt sexual remarks, but one of my dd's does the same thing much to my dismay, including with people I know due to geography she's never been in a physical relationship with. What I find inappropriate, she finds funny. I only hope her IM's are never published for the world to see. I think she could make Howard Stern blush when she gets going. :blushing:
I kind-a think TonE was yanking KC's chain about spending the nite at her parents house, but I also think he wanted to meet the 'rents. Showing up with Starbuck's in the morning would have been one way of doing this, but why did he never carry through? A mid-Sunday morning when everyone was home would have worked...
I never meant to imply TonE disliked Caylee (quite the opposite) and I would hope anyone KC dated would treat Caylee well. One way of impressing her mommy (if she were a normal mommy) would be to do some activities that included or were just for Caylee's sake. I just don't think he had any real interest in Caylee beyond, well, she's here we have to do something to keep her occupied, let's use the pool. It didn't sound like either of them were actually in the pool playing with Caylee. His response in their IM's was pretty much a non-response and we didn't see him LOL over KC's comment that Caylee was using something he taught her or see him asking for more.
TonE's lack of interest in Caylee is not a judgment of him, he's not her daddy, he only saw her a few times. A baby doesn't fit his life style right now and at least he's mature enough to realize this. Maybe he was even picking up non verbal cues from KC, he couldn't show more interest in her or her needs then her own mother.
But the fact that KC had Caylee pretty much 24/7 for the first weeks of their affair, including KC not being available to see him due to child care responsibilities, then a month down the road Caylee has disappeared off the face of the earth and no one really acts suspicious, aside from one remark from a roommate saying 'we don't think you have a kid'. Without any accusation of funny business on TonE's part, I just think it's odd that KC went from being a full time mom to being TonE's full time, live in lover and no one questioned this past "where's the kid", (In LE interviews) the roomies actually said KC gave them information on Caylee's whereabouts and activities without being asked. This to me says TonE had no real interest in Caylee or her well being. Again that's not to say he would wish her harm and he was very obviously distressed when he IM'ed KC the day after this all came out.
The fact that TonE assisted LE, came forward for interviews and allowed LE to examine his vehicle and apt, speaks well for his character and the type of person he is but that doesn't excuse the fact that Caylee was missing a month and he never told KC I think you need to go spend time with your kid, go get her we'll take her out for ice cream etc.
As far as Mark goes, I think he was KC's back up plan but no way could she have moved in with him after Caylee disappeared. He would have known something was up. And I don't think he would have bought the Zani-nanny story for a half a second. Back in July, before everything went private I read their whole story through MySpace. KC continued writing about Caylee, as if she were there for weeks after she disappeared. The fact that LE went to CA to interview him speaks about the context of their conversations, including alluding to making a life together. In one Mark talked about "bringing her home" with him, KC responded by saying "we'll see about that" or something along that line.
The whole thing about Amy's money has me stumped. KC knew once Amy was back from PR the gig was gonna be up. She was caught on tape passing off Amy's checks as her own and forging them for cash at the bank, no less. She can't even claim it was used for ransom/desperate times, as she is recorded purchasing food and beer for TonE's place, TP, clothing and accessories for herself. Amy has bills and obligations, I can't imagine that KC thought Amy would give her a pass after she not only drained her acct but attempted to overdraw it by $500.00.
This whole situation is too weird for words and every time I think it couldn't get any weirder, it does.
I can't dispute much, if anything, you wrote and not just because of your superior knowledge of her relationship with the marine. Maybe I'd be harder on TL if he were dating my daughter. 
