Casey Anthony and Tony L.

[cloud9]

well.....he was treated very well by police and he and his roommates and their apartment seemed to be eliminated amazingly early on. LOL

when you consider that there was a missing child (who in fact LE were presuming to be dead judging from all their actions and statements, and they knew this was the apartment where Casey was living right up til her arrest and where Casey had brought Caylee frequently prior to her disappearance.)

I was just noticing tonight in his, I think July 22 interview (Tony L), I'd never noticed it before. The detective only said that Tony had "given permission for his phone to be searched", but that no search or download was going to occur on his phone, his phone was not searched. The detective stated that LE was "unable to download" from his phone due to their software, so instead they just took a photo of the June 2 picture of Caylee on his phone. Period. Okay..... I had never noticed that before. Wonder what was so unusual about his phone that LE wouldn't be able to download from it? :waitasec:

and Cameron also said in one of the early interviews he had just gotten a new phone, but did they take in the new one or get the old one?

anyway, amazing to me. Was a search done on their phones later? Or the other roommates (Nate/Clint?). And only a fast walk-through of the apartment to verify that Caylee wasn't there. Amazing in a case where a child was missing (and by all appearances actually presumed to be dead by the police....)

maybe TL's step dad or whoever it was, his parents had already spoken to LE at this point? Amazing to me how TL was made LE's best friend and "helper" right from the start. I could never understand it. It just didn't make sense to me in a missing child case. JMO

At this point we don't know just how much TL WAS investigated. Also, the trash bag in KCs trunk... Didn't the bag come from TLs place? If so, you can be sure TL and his residence have been under a LOT of investigation. And I have no doubt that if LE suspected TL in any way, he would have been arrested long ago.

 

[Just Jayla]

At this point we don't know just how much TL WAS investigated. Also, the trash bag in KCs trunk... Didn't the bag come from TLs place? If so, you can be sure TL and his residence have been under a LOT of investigation. And I have no doubt that if LE suspected TL in any way, he would have been arrested long ago.

Seagull did get me thinking-In hindsight, I would have liked for someone to search the apartment to see if syringes, steroids, Gatorade were there...anything KC had access to that may have ended up in the woods. Maybe a toilet paper roll in their garbage that matched the one found in the bottle...
Of course, the right to privacy for TL and CC was priority, unless LE had a solid reason to obtain a warrant...And I believe the warrant would have to specify the article or person they were looking for, etc. LE may have felt they were better off working with TL than against him (or any counsel he may have hired).
Also note: CA did not bother to look around the apartment for Caylee and KC told LE that Caylee was not and had not been there for some time...LE may have taken that part of their narrative into consideration when trying to interpret whether TL's place was suspect.

 

[LambChop]

And let's face it folks, Mom was responsible 100% for the whereabouts of her child. She was suppose to know where her child was and who her child was with. The End.

 

[Leila]

I will agree Casey and her car spent a lot of time at Sutton Place
But I will disagree that Caylee spent a lot of time there. What do you consider a lot of time? IIRC Caylee went 2 maybe 3 times to TL's apartment.

TL was only at the A's house one time, if there are other times he went there please let me know, I must have missed something. :waitasec:

Have we seen discovery documents showing LE had investigated the apartment? if only because that is where Casey spent most of her time after Caylee disappeared. Do we know?

Casey met TL in person for the first time on May 14th, having met him online at Facebook, and didn't actually move into his apartment for a couple of weeks. TL said that the last time he saw Caylee was on June 2nd. We know that Caylee wasn't see again by anyone other than Casey after June 15th. So Caylee really probably wasn't at TL's apartment more than just a few times. You're right too that TL was at the Anthony home once.

 

[Leila]

During the audio interview with both Tony L and Cameron C, LE spent a significant portion of that searching through their apartment while the two were question. They FULLY COOPERATED.

I am confident that LE fully looked into all of the men in KC's life in the beginning, and came up with the same conclusion each time. KC acted alone and these pour souls were completely unaware of anything until crap hit the fan.

Sorry but these circular arguments are becoming tiresome. It's always good to look at all parties involved, but we've beaten that horse to death. Resurrected him only to beat him to death again.

Besides, how hard is it to believe that KC did this by herself? She had a story which was debunked immediately...and she threw her child's body mere minutes from her parents house. Not a lot of forethought to that. She didn't even try.
People give KC way too much credit.

When a young mother lies to LE about what happened to her child and shows no emotion whatsoever to her child's absence, LE knows she is the primary suspect. This is absolutely textbook. But, they still have to investigate the mother's acquaintances, which is exactly what they did. Everyone Casey knew was thoroughly investigated and in the process was eliminated.

Casey was the only one who had the motive, opportunity, and means to murder Caylee.

 

[Tuffy]

Seagull did get me thinking-In hindsight, I would have liked for someone to search the apartment to see if syringes, steroids, Gatorade were there...anything KC had access to that may have ended up in the woods. Maybe a toilet paper roll in their garbage that matched the one found in the bottle...
Of course, the right to privacy for TL and CC was priority, unless LE had a solid reason to obtain a warrant...And I believe the warrant would have to specify the article or person they were looking for, etc. LE may have felt they were better off working with TL than against him (or any counsel he may have hired).
Also note: CA did not bother to look around the apartment for Caylee and KC told LE that Caylee was not and had not been there for some time...LE may have taken that part of their narrative into consideration when trying to interpret whether TL's place was suspect.

Hi Just Jayla. I'm not sure, they may have searched TL's apartment again, but that would have been a long time to hope to find matching toilet paper rolls. They didn't find the crime scene evidence until December.

btw- I love your doggie pic!

 

[TorisMom003]

As far as I know toilet paper rolls are pretty standard and do not have any special marks on them to tell them apart. I have never seen a difference in them during the many years of using toilet paper. If you see one, you've seen them all......IMO.

As far as Tony being a suspect or possibly having anything to do with what happened to Caylee.......first of all the day that Caylee went "missing" we know for a fact that she was NOT with Casey and Tony at Blockbuster. We also know that no one has come forward saying that they were babysitting Caylee that night. So when did Tony have the opportunity to do this to Caylee? Also, what was his possible motive? Tony had said (supposedly) to Casey that he wanted boys when/if he had children. Not a motive to me as Caylee was not his child and from all indications I have seen Tony had no plan or intention to marry Casey. Tony told Casey he was going back home when he was done with school and I have not found anything to indicate that he asked her to go with him. Tony's room-mates also have no motive as they were hardly around Caylee. It all appears to me to be a smoke screen for a defense that knows they are toast and that their client has no hope of avoiding a guilty verdict.

Tony, his room-mates and Casey's other friends have shown more concern and co-operated more with LE than ANY of the Anthony family. That tells me that they had absolutely nothing to do with Caylee's death or any help in covering it up. As far as a guilty person would also appear to be helping LE........not true in Casey's case. She has done everything she can to NOT help. Ditto for her parents. I feel sorry for Tony, Amy, Ricardo, Jesse, etc.........all of them that got caught up in Casey's lies, stealing and murderous ways. They thought they were friends, dated, engaged to a good decent person who was a single mother........unfortunately they were wrong.

 

[flourish]

As far as I know toilet paper rolls are pretty standard and do not have any special marks on them to tell them apart. I have never seen a difference in them during the many years of using toilet paper. If you see one, you've seen them all......IMO.

As far as Tony being a suspect or possibly having anything to do with what happened to Caylee.......first of all the day that Caylee went "missing" we know for a fact that she was NOT with Casey and Tony at Blockbuster. We also know that no one has come forward saying that they were babysitting Caylee that night. So when did Tony have the opportunity to do this to Caylee? Also, what was his possible motive? Tony had said (supposedly) to Casey that he wanted boys when/if he had children. Not a motive to me as Caylee was not his child and from all indications I have seen Tony had no plan or intention to marry Casey. Tony told Casey he was going back home when he was done with school and I have not found anything to indicate that he asked her to go with him. Tony's room-mates also have no motive as they were hardly around Caylee. It all appears to me to be a smoke screen for a defense that knows they are toast and that their client has no hope of avoiding a guilty verdict.

Tony, his room-mates and Casey's other friends have shown more concern and co-operated more with LE than ANY of the Anthony family. That tells me that they had absolutely nothing to do with Caylee's death or any help in covering it up. As far as a guilty person would also appear to be helping LE........not true in Casey's case. She has done everything she can to NOT help. Ditto for her parents. I feel sorry for Tony, Amy, Ricardo, Jesse, etc.........all of them that got caught up in Casey's lies, stealing and murderous ways. They thought they were friends, dated, engaged to a good decent person who was a single mother........unfortunately they were wrong.

RBBM Not that it probably matters at all, but IMO not all toilet paper rolls are the same. Why do I notice or care? As a preschool teacher, I use cardboard rolls of all kinds as they make great binoculars, telescopes, and other craft projects. There is a difference between cardboard thicknesses and adhesives. For example, the "White Cloud" brand, which is a genericy brand sold at WalMart, has an adhesive which causes the last bit of toilet paper to stick to the roll. The name brand I get when at other stores, Charmin, I think, however, comes off leaving a clean cardboard tube. That's all I know about particular brands, but I've noticed that when the kids make binoculars by stapling two rolls together, sometimes the rolls aren't exactly the same length, and the marker or paint sometimes soaks into the various cardboard types differently.

This case is going to lead to my final leap into insanity, I think. I mean, I've read an autopsy report of a snake, know where the duct tape is located in just about every store in my local area, and now I've just explained more than anyone needs to know about toilet paper tubes, for goodness' sake! Good times

 

[flourish]

As far as I know toilet paper rolls are pretty standard and do not have any special marks on them to tell them apart. I have never seen a difference in them during the many years of using toilet paper. If you see one, you've seen them all......IMO.

As far as Tony being a suspect or possibly having anything to do with what happened to Caylee.......first of all the day that Caylee went "missing" we know for a fact that she was NOT with Casey and Tony at Blockbuster. We also know that no one has come forward saying that they were babysitting Caylee that night. So when did Tony have the opportunity to do this to Caylee? Also, what was his possible motive? Tony had said (supposedly) to Casey that he wanted boys when/if he had children. Not a motive to me as Caylee was not his child and from all indications I have seen Tony had no plan or intention to marry Casey. Tony told Casey he was going back home when he was done with school and I have not found anything to indicate that he asked her to go with him. Tony's room-mates also have no motive as they were hardly around Caylee. It all appears to me to be a smoke screen for a defense that knows they are toast and that their client has no hope of avoiding a guilty verdict.

Tony, his room-mates and Casey's other friends have shown more concern and co-operated more with LE than ANY of the Anthony family. That tells me that they had absolutely nothing to do with Caylee's death or any help in covering it up. As far as a guilty person would also appear to be helping LE........not true in Casey's case. She has done everything she can to NOT help. Ditto for her parents. I feel sorry for Tony, Amy, Ricardo, Jesse, etc.........all of them that got caught up in Casey's lies, stealing and murderous ways. They thought they were friends, dated, engaged to a good decent person who was a single mother........unfortunately they were wrong.

Yeah, I don't, and never have, thought Tony had anything to do with happened to Caylee. Poor guy rues the day he browsed Facebook, I'm sure! He had no idea he'd wind up with a needy, creepy, garbage-stealing sociopathic baby-killer! I'm not sure I even believe this whole thing about him saying he only wanted boys...as you stated above "supposedly" he said that, so I'm guessing it's more of a rumor...I mean, that's a rude thing to say to someone who already has a daughter...maybe he was trying to hint at her not to get too attached as he obviously had no plans for a long-term thing.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Seagull, after reading most everypost of yours, I have to comment.
Using your method of investigation, where any and everyone even remotely related to a case is endlessly investigated, would spin most cases into an endless loop and quickly turn into a cold case.

While initial investigations should be open minded, eventually at some point the desire is to have focus on a suspect. NOTHING KC DID ALLOWED HER TO BE REMOVED FROM THEIR FOCUS due to her lying, opportunity, and her reactions to having a "kidnapped" child.
If there was ever even one reason for the police to refocus on anther suspect, don't you think LE would have done so? They want to find the REAL MURDERER as much if not more than the rest of us!
Do you think they are inept or intentionally trying to convict an innocent mother? I certainly don't.
Cold cases become cold because either a suspect doesn't come into focus or evidence to move forward cannot be obtained.
LE had plenty of reason to go down the path they did as far as I can see.

If Casey hadn't spun the Zanny Nanny story LE would have had more reason to check other people imo. This was all Casey's doing from the beginning.

 

[Just Jayla]

Hi Just Jayla. I'm not sure, they may have searched TL's apartment again, but that would have been a long time to hope to find matching toilet paper rolls. They didn't find the crime scene evidence until December.

btw- I love your doggie pic!

You're right-Even if they did search the apartment, they might not have collected a toilet paper roll and syringes, in anticipation of finding something similar months later
FTR, yes, toilet paper cores can differ....but my point is moot anyway, as pointed out above!

 

[Reagan]

Yeah, I don't, and never have, thought Tony had anything to do with happened to Caylee. Poor guy rues the day he browsed Facebook, I'm sure! He had no idea he'd wind up with a needy, creepy, garbage-stealing sociopathic baby-killer! I'm not sure I even believe this whole thing about him saying he only wanted boys...as you stated above "supposedly" he said that, so I'm guessing it's more of a rumor...I mean, that's a rude thing to say to someone who already has a daughter...maybe he was trying to hint at her not to get too attached as he obviously had no plans for a long-term thing.

He actually did say that in his sept 08 interview. Right after he taken a polygraph. It was one of the first questions investigators asked him about, and had wondered what triggered him to remember that.

 

[affinity]

I have felt all along that TL played a role...whether it be in the actual commission of the crime or helping in disposing of Caylee's body after the fact and was given immunity for his cooperation with LE.

The odds that he didn't play any role would be pretty unbelievable to me.

but it appears that LE trusted him immediately, as evidenced by how they wired him to talk to LA. Why would LE do that if they thought TonE had anything at all to do with the crime? The fact that they did that makes me think that they totally cleared him very early.

 

[Just Jayla]

I have been thinking about Tony's reaction when he has to see KC again. He'll have to travel from whereever he is to do this thing that he probably has, for the most part, put on the back burner in his life.
Their time together was such a blip on the radar as compared to the entirety of his life before and after KC. Emotions that were strong in 2008 are gone, just as they would if they had had a normal break-up.
I imagine his whole attitude towards all of this has changed-I hope his attitude has tilted further towards feeling protective of a beautiful 2 year old child.
I wonder if he'll even look at her-I would not want to if I were him. She'll cry like an idiot, I predict.

 

[Peepers McPeep]

I have been thinking about Tony's reaction when he has to see KC again. He'll have to travel from whereever he is to do this thing that he probably has, for the most part, put on the back burner in his life.
Their time together was such a blip on the radar as compared to the entirety of his life before and after KC. Emotions that were strong in 2008 are gone, just as they would if they had had a normal break-up.
I imagine his whole attitude towards all of this has changed-I hope his attitude has tilted further towards feeling protective of a beautiful 2 year old child.
I wonder if he'll even look at her-I would not want to if I were him. She'll cry like an idiot, I predict.

I know he must have lain awake many nights..
repulsed by memories, perhaps drifting off, only to have the brain discharge a memory that sends creepy crawlies skittering up his scalp.
As you said, this was a very small timeframe in his life..
I lose track of real time and forget..
Seems like only yesterday, and once upon a time....
I'm not ashamed to say I'll being feeling the same creepy crawlies as many of the key players take the stand..Inflight airbags for all!
S'ok, tho..I'm a fiend for the biggest rollercoasters, arms skyward.. wh'hooo
Ramblin'
McPeep

 

[LCoastMom]

I have been thinking about Tony's reaction when he has to see KC again. He'll have to travel from whereever he is to do this thing that he probably has, for the most part, put on the back burner in his life.
Their time together was such a blip on the radar as compared to the entirety of his life before and after KC. Emotions that were strong in 2008 are gone, just as they would if they had had a normal break-up.
I imagine his whole attitude towards all of this has changed-I hope his attitude has tilted further towards feeling protective of a beautiful 2 year old child.
I wonder if he'll even look at her-I would not want to if I were him. She'll cry like an idiot, I predict.

I agree this was a short time in his life but still sorta significant. How many people have any of us dated that killed their child...

I'm not sure she'll cry - she was really PO'd at him for not calling or visiting her after her arrest. We'll know soon!

 

[MaryAnn]

I agree this was a short time in his life but still sorta significant. How many people have any of us dated that killed their child...

I'm not sure she'll cry - she was really PO'd at him for not calling or visiting her after her arrest. We'll know soon!

I was thinking about this too. I hope he doesn't even look in her direction. Boy, that is going to eat her up because he's gone on with his life she's probably still pineing or thinking about him since he's the last guy she's been with. Hopefully Tony will treat her like she treats her parents. No acknowledgement at all.

 

[strawberry]

I was thinking about this too. I hope he doesn't even look in her direction. Boy, that is going to eat her up because he's gone on with his life she's probably still pineing or thinking about him since he's the last guy she's been with. Hopefully Tony will treat her like she treats her parents. No acknowledgement at all.

I predict she won't even know if he looks at her because she will be filing and shuffling and writing and tabbing and grooming like never before.

 

[What'sThatClue]

I predict she won't even know if he looks at her because she will be filing and shuffling and writing and tabbing and grooming like never before.

I think she disassociates herself from everything, which may be why she is so busy acting the paralegal. Perhaps the defense will try to claim multiple personality syndrome? And I also believe she won't be looking at witnesses much, especially those she knows personally.

 

[strawberry]

I think she disassociates herself from everything, which may be why she is so busy acting the paralegal. Perhaps the defense will try to claim multiple personality syndrome? And I also believe she won't be looking at witnesses much, especially those she knows personally.

Interesting you say that. One of the psychologists they are trying to list has dissociative disorders listed on her website.