Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1

[future criminologist]

But Casey is so histrionic, she could have done everything she has done just to hide the accidental death of her daughter from her mother.

but the point of histrionics is ATTENTION and SYMPATHY - histrionic personalities don't just freak out for the sake of it. maybe she "freaked out" if/when she killed her by accident, but this still wouldnt' serve the purpose of histrionics - i.e. if a histrionic freaks out and no one is there to see it, is it really histrionics?

if she was really histrionic ,she would have pulled a Susan Smith times 100 - she would have been all over tv screaming and crying about her kid. and she would have done this immediately, not waited 30 days, because no one is going to feel sorry for a woman who doesn't report it for 30 days. it is clear to me that this is definitely not something she wanted attention for. she might have been hoping that she could escape and she and her daughter would just sort of "go away", and her family would just think they'd run away maybe?. she has had a purely flat affect since she was arrested - a histrionic person is the exact opposite.

honestly, I was really expecting a better lie from her about where Caylee is, considering how good she's been at lying the past few years - dammit I expect more from my pathological liars!

 

[Sammiejam]

The idea that it was not child trafficking was going to be my ultimate point.

The child trafficking scenario is so cold and heartless, a lot more heartless than even Casey's cold and heartless personality; and the rewards wouldn't be great enough for it.

But the chloroform, even if it isn't the drug of choice would work as an anesthetic. Maybe the nanny was trying to kidnap this cute girl, like Casey insists!

Whatever actually happened, we are sure Caylee died, and probably Caylee's body was presented to Casey by the nanny. It could have been any kind of accident.

Now here is my point. I don't think she tried to sell her daughter into adoption, and she has no motive for murder since the grandmother was begging to take Caylee off Casey's hands. But Casey is so histrionic, she could have done everything she has done just to hide the accidental death of her daughter from her mother.

Nanny? Part-time or full-time, there is no nanny, Never has been, never was! There is not one SHRED of evidence to prove there was. And would she have had to email or call the traffickers or someone involved with them at LEAST once? It is a business that involves all parties being in close contact at all times, using all available technologies. There is nothing to suggest any communication with baby sellers. I am not seeing that she is histrionic at all, she does make up stories (UNDERSTATEMENT lol) but her affect is so flat and disinterested. I see none of the wailing and gnashing of teeth, sack-cloth-and-ashes drama that goes along with a histrionic bpd. (ETA-Future crim summed it up nicely!)

"Otherwise, the nanny/kidnapping scenario that Casey insists on is the most reasonable idea!"

I dont really see a kidnapping as feasible. The A's have no money!
Why go to all the trouble of kidnapping a kid for no reason whatsoever?

 

[future criminologist]

Why does chloroform HAVE to be about a kidnapping?
Chloroform could also be used to anesthetize the baby while "mommy" goes out to party; or to outright kill the child.

This is SO sad. :raincloud:

don't even get me started on the chloroform...it still is such a "WTF" aspect of this whole thing to me. I mean, it hasn't been used since like the early 20th century. it's really not common. and there are much easier ways to anesthetize a child if she really wanted to - and she IS lazy! why go to the trouble to find some antiquated method used in Agatha Christie novels?

OOO - just had a thought - so that person that said that they taught her in high school said that she was really smart and got good grades but just didn't finish. I'm just wondering...I wonder if she read any Agatha Christie in her English classes? could THAT be where she got the idea from? just thinking out loud here...

 

[OneLostGrl]

but the point of histrionics is ATTENTION and SYMPATHY - histrionic personalities don't just freak out for the sake of it. maybe she "freaked out" if/when she killed her by accident, but this still wouldnt' serve the purpose of histrionics - i.e. if a histrionic freaks out and no one is there to see it, is it really histrionics?

if she was really histrionic ,she would have pulled a Susan Smith times 100 - she would have been all over tv screaming and crying about her kid. and she would have done this immediately, not waited 30 days, because no one is going to feel sorry for a woman who doesn't report it for 30 days. it is clear to me that this is definitely not something she wanted attention for. she might have been hoping that she could escape and she and her daughter would just sort of "go away", and her family would just think they'd run away maybe?. she has had a purely flat affect since she was arrested - a histrionic person is the exact opposite.

honestly, I was really expecting a better lie from her about where Caylee is, considering how good she's been at lying the past few years - dammit I expect more from my pathological liars!

Me too!!! That's why I am still having such a hard time with this whole thing.

 

[bessie]

I'd like to know if CindyA was on any medications including if she was prescribed Xanax on a regular basis. Because that would give Casey hard access to it. Xanny the Nanny is something that I cannot let go of.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

The BRACE Character Profiling concluded:

"...the only visual comparisons that appear to share characteristics with Casey Anthony's basic profile are Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic, and Narcissistic Personality Disorders. On the other hand, Schizoid, Avoidant, Dependent, and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorders can likely be ruled out."

The word histrionic is being used as a psychological term, not in its everyday use, so there could be some confusion about the word histrionic.

But talking about WTF aspects, what about the eye witness who saw Caylee on a plane and everyone is just dissing that eye witness? No one who answered that thread seems to be interested in asking her relevant questions?

That lady would have to be psychotic to say what she has said on Websleuths, unless it is true. And she doesn't seem to be psychotic to me.

It sounds like the man, Dan King, who says he saw John Mark Karr on a bus 20 minutes after the murder in Denver, but the authorities immediately, not very convincingly said that witness wasn't creditable. Yet, the authorities lost and ignored other important evidence, while trying to falsely convict the Ramseys, finally admitting they were wrong and the Ramseys were innocent.

Now people are rudely dissing the testimony of someone who sounds sane and creditable.

And I learn that the Anthonys have no money.

But where did the super-professional bodyguards come from?

Even if the Anthonys had money, those bodyguards were the kind that escort top celebrities. What agency did the Anthonys call to find them? Or is this whole thing, including the chloroform, something that is being orchestrated by the same people who orchestrated the JonBenet story?


My own gut feeling about the chloroform was always that it is a lie from authorities. There was no chloroform.

Chloroform would indicate an attempted kidnapping. Chloroform would make the kidnapping Agatha Christie theatrical. But that was not the kind of kidnapping the woman on the plane described, where the girl who called herself Caylee Marie Anthony believed she was with her aunt.

And here is a family with no money, who is $40,000 in debt, who is not making any sense with most their actions.

This is starting to sound like a different form of the JonBenet debacle, and we really need to get to the bottom of it.

Here is a better lie for you from pathological liars. What if the whole thing is being orchestrated for national effect and money?

 

[OneLostGrl]

The BRACE Character Profiling concluded:

"...the only visual comparisons that appear to share characteristics with Casey Anthony's basic profile are Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic, and Narcissistic Personality Disorders. On the other hand, Schizoid, Avoidant, Dependent, and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorders can likely be ruled out."

The word histrionic is being used as a psychological term, not in its everyday use, so there could be some confusion about the word histrionic.

But talking about WTF aspects, what about the eye witness who saw Caylee on a plane and everyone is just dissing that eye witness? No one who answered that thread seems to be interested in asking her relevant questions?

That lady would have to be psychotic to say what she has said on Websleuths, unless it is true. And she doesn't seem to be psychotic to me.

It sounds like the man, Dan King, who says he saw John Mark Karr on a bus 20 minutes after the murder in Denver, but the authorities immediately, not very convincingly said that witness wasn't creditable. Yet, the authorities lost and ignored other important evidence, while trying to falsely convict the Ramseys, finally admitting they were wrong and the Ramseys were innocent.

Now people are rudely dissing the testimony of someone who sounds sane and creditable.

And I learn that the Anthonys have no money.

But where did the super-professional bodyguards come from?

Even if the Anthonys had money, those bodyguards were the kind that escort top celebrities. What agency did the Anthonys call to find them? Or is this whole thing, including the chloroform, something that is being orchestrated by the same people who orchestrated the JonBenet story?


My own gut feeling about the chloroform was always that it is a lie from authorities. There was no chloroform.

Chloroform would indicate an attempted kidnapping. Chloroform would make the kidnapping Agatha Christie theatrical. But that was not the kind of kidnapping the woman on the plane described, where the girl who called herself Caylee Marie Anthony believed she was with her aunt.

And here is a family with no money, who is $40,000 in debt, who is not making any sense with most their actions.

This is starting to sound like a different form of the JonBenet debacle, and we really need to get to the bottom of it.

Here is a better lie for you from pathological liars. What if the whole thing is being orchestrated for national effect and money?

you are an interesting guy, JohnVaughanCauthen.

 

[shadowraiths]

I urge you to read up on eye witness testimony, JohnVaughanCauthen. I have no doubt that the woman very much believes she saw Caylee. And she may very well have. I was not there.

The detail of her experience however indicates that she has played that scene over and over (she even stated so, herself), along with the fact that she has been following news reports, thus increasing the risk of inaccurate recall. And this can and does happen to anyone. It's a distinguishing component of episodic memory. Remember the white van?

In other words, we have some experience, that, from the memory pov, is a combination of sights, smells, sounds, etcetera. And we organize and categorize them. Yet, when recalling an event, we elaborate. We tell a story to describe our experience. This does not mean we are lying or having delusions. Our memory simply does not act like a video recorder, even though some (including me (lolol)), claim to have eidetic memory.

As for this woman? I have been reading her thread with interest. Also, that I am aware, LE followed up on her report. Which from my understanding, did not pan out. Even so, I do hope she is right bc that would mean that Caylee is very much alive.

As for the BRACE Character Profile? Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic, and Narcissistic Personality Disorders are all Axis II, Cluster B personality disorders, so it is not at all surprising that her profile would correlate to that cluster of personality traits. Esp considering the pathological lying, substance abuse, promiscuity, etcetera. In other words, I'm not sure what your point is?

 

[karenmamo]

I'd like to know if CindyA was on any medications including if she was prescribed Xanax on a regular basis. Because that would give Casey hard access to it. Xanny the Nanny is something that I cannot let go of.

CA appears to be a very angry woman (more so all the time)
Quite probably she had some sedatives prescribed--unless she was comfortable with her anger.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Good Morning,
This is my first post on Websleuths, so please be gentle. I have been following this case from the first time I heard about it, but found W.S. through the Brooke Bennett case. I think you guys are great! The stuff you find is amazing. :clap:

I want to start by saying that I live in the Northeast, I have never been to Florida and I do not know ANY of the Anthony's. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT CASEY IS GUILTY OF KILLING HER DAUGHTER. However, some of the things I read that people have posted about Casey hurts me, because I believe that she has been the victim of severe abuse herself. Please don't flame me for my opinion until you have heard me out.

As a victim of severe childhood sexual abuse, I feel that I understand (BUT DON'T CONDONE) what Casey is doing, even though it makes absolutely no sense to anyone else. Is she a sociopath or psychopath? Maybe, I can't say, but her behavior fits very well with the patterns displayed by CSA survivors. I did many of the things she has done (I can't have children due to my history, so no worries there, nor am I a liar or thief, but......I would have done anything to get out of my parents house,..... wound up marrying an abusive SOB to escape), promiscuity, desperate to find a boyfriend with a house she can move into, perfectionism, evasive behavior...........the list goes on.

Without knowing who her abuser is/was, it would be hard to say exactly what she was trying to escape, but that certainly appears like what she was trying to do (i.e. was it someone in the house or the extended family, something GA & CA are mixed up in..............?). She got pregnant with Caylee in H.S. (by whom? Did anyone notice in the document dump that L.A. is COLOR BLIND? An X linked genetic abnormality?[pg. 20, L.A. interview] ), lied about being pregnant for 8 months, mother believes she is a virgin?!?@#$ :waitasec:. The cleaning, cooking, grocery buying, laundry doing............needs to look like the perfect girl so that Knight in Shining Armour can wisk her away from a situation she does not seem to be able to get out of on her own. Can't get away from her mother no matter what she does. After the fight on the 15th (I would LOVE to know what was said!) she decided she had had enough. I imagine it was something like "Gonna go do my own thing, you can't stop me..........." and off she goes. But with no support system (CA cant be considered support, more like an enabling warden IMO), she can't get along. Pressure builds, Caylee didn't do something the way she wanted it done and KA-POW, the deed is done. Control is MEGA IMPORTANT to CSA survivors. You had NO control over what is done to you as a child, you think "When I am grown, no body will tell me what to do......." only things don't work out that way. It's very hard to control that anger that is built up over years of abuse. Her demeanor was the first clue for me, very closed off, tightly controlled. You HAVE TO to survive your life and family.

Anyhoooooooo, don't want to be too long winded about something that may just be my rambling (or might get me banned).............especially on my first post :crazy:.

Thanks for listening/reading and if I am completely wrong, I apologize in advance.

 

[celebraion]

Regardless of what happened, I think we can say that Casey lost touch with reality somewhere along the way. It is my completely amateur opinion (having very little background in psychology, certainly not enough) that the trauma of Caysee's birth and the surrounding circumstances caused Casey to go over the edge two or so years ago. It almost seems like she is stuck in a time warp.

Facts to consider:
KC tells everyone she works at Universal when she was let go from Universal in 2006.
GA says that he has been suspicious about KC not having a job for the past two years.
KC says that her parents are currently going through a rough patch and are about to divorce (that happened back in 2006).
KC says her dad is in the hospital but CA says that that little scare happened a couple of years ago.

It's like she keeps pointing everything back to a couple of years ago! Or else she really lost touch with reality a couple years ago. I don't know at this point.

 

[Knot4u2no]

Just a couple of comments ...

The BRACE Character Profiling concluded:

"...the only visual comparisons that appear to share characteristics with Casey Anthony's basic profile are Antisocial, Borderline, Histrionic, and Narcissistic Personality Disorders. On the other hand, Schizoid, Avoidant, Dependent, and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorders can likely be ruled out."

If you read the analysis carefully, you will see that "appear" is highlighted and the reader is cautioned about concluding anything from simple visual comparisons of the available graphics. The conclusions are further on in the report, which does not include Antisocial Personality Disorder, but does include Psychopathy based on narcissistic characteristics.

Additionally, it is clear that DSM-IV-TR has significant overlap in characteristics among personality disorders, and it is clear that such boundaries are vague. It is important to note that personality disorders are not an either-or proposition, and the underlying constructs certainly have not been consistently validated by research. That said, a person can have more than one personality disorder and each would be listed on Axis II. Psychopathy would not be on any axis because it has nothing to do with DSM-IV-TR. In terms of personality dynamics, the BRACE Character Profile concluded that the profile generated would warrant diagnostic consideration for Histrionic, Narcissistic and Borderline personality disorders ... and a Psychopath but not an Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Russell

 

[OneLostGrl]

Good Morning,
This is my first post on Websleuths, so please be gentle. I have been following this case from the first time I heard about it, but found W.S. through the Brooke Bennett case. I think you guys are great! The stuff you find is amazing. :clap:

I want to start by saying that I live in the Northeast, I have never been to Florida and I do not know ANY of the Anthony's. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT CASEY IS GUILTY OF KILLING HER DAUGHTER. However, some of the things I read that people have posted about Casey hurts me, because I believe that she has been the victim of severe abuse herself. Please don't flame me for my opinion until you have heard me out.

As a victim of severe childhood sexual abuse, I feel that I understand (BUT DON'T CONDONE) what Casey is doing, even though it makes absolutely no sense to anyone else. Is she a sociopath or psychopath? Maybe, I can't say, but her behavior fits very well with the patterns displayed by CSA survivors. I did many of the things she has done (I can't have children due to my history, so no worries there, nor am I a liar or thief, but......I would have done anything to get out of my parents house,..... wound up marrying an abusive SOB to escape), promiscuity, desperate to find a boyfriend with a house she can move into, perfectionism, evasive behavior...........the list goes on.

Without knowing who her abuser is/was, it would be hard to say exactly what she was trying to escape, but that certainly appears like what she was trying to do (i.e. was it someone in the house or the extended family, something GA & CA are mixed up in..............?). She got pregnant with Caylee in H.S. (by whom? Did anyone notice in the document dump that L.A. is COLOR BLIND? An X linked genetic abnormality?[pg. 20, L.A. interview] ), lied about being pregnant for 8 months, mother believes she is a virgin?!?@#$ :waitasec:. The cleaning, cooking, grocery buying, laundry doing............needs to look like the perfect girl so that Knight in Shining Armour can wisk her away from a situation she does not seem to be able to get out of on her own. Can't get away from her mother no matter what she does. After the fight on the 15th (I would LOVE to know what was said!) she decided she had had enough. I imagine it was something like "Gonna go do my own thing, you can't stop me..........." and off she goes. But with no support system (CA cant be considered support, more like an enabling warden IMO), she can't get along. Pressure builds, Caylee didn't do something the way she wanted it done and KA-POW, the deed is done. Control is MEGA IMPORTANT to CSA survivors. You had NO control over what is done to you as a child, you think "When I am grown, no body will tell me what to do......." only things don't work out that way. It's very hard to control that anger that is built up over years of abuse. Her demeanor was the first clue for me, very closed off, tightly controlled. You HAVE TO to survive your life and family.

Anyhoooooooo, don't want to be too long winded about something that may just be my rambling (or might get me banned).............especially on my first post :crazy:.

Thanks for listening/reading and if I am completely wrong, I apologize in advance.

You have certainly had a tough time of it, you were very brave in sharing with us!:blowkiss:

While the "symptoms" you list are typical for surviors of childhood abuse they are also screaming blinking signs of the personality disordered. In many cases it is found that people with personality disorders have been abused as children.

So while she may have been abused as a child there is no doubt that there are personality disorders in play here as well. Regardless, as you seem to understand, neither is an excuse.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Just a couple of comments ...



If you read the analysis carefully, you will see that "appear" is highlighted and the reader is cautioned about concluding anything from simple visual comparisons of the available graphics. The conclusions are further on in the report, which does not include Antisocial Personality Disorder, but does include Psychopathy based on narcissistic characteristics.

Additionally, it is clear that DSM-IV-TR has significant overlap in characteristics among personality disorders, and it is clear that such boundaries are vague. It is important to note that personality disorders are not an either-or proposition, and the underlying constructs certainly have not been consistently validated by research. That said, a person can have more than one personality disorder and each would be listed on Axis II. Psychopathy would not be on any axis because it has nothing to do with DSM-IV-TR. In terms of personality dynamics, the BRACE Character Profile concluded that the profile generated would warrant diagnostic consideration for Histrionic, Narcissistic and Borderline personality disorders ... and a Psychopath but not an Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Russell

Thanks for posting this!

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

IWannaKnow looks at it like I do, and came to the same conclusions.

When people say Casey has lost touch with reality, they don't understand what Casey's reality was.

That is not to make an excuse for her if she did murder her child and now she is lying about it. To do it and lie about it like she has would be inexcusable. But I don't think she did murder her child.

I originally thought the child died accidentally and because of the pressures on Casey to be perfect, she covered it up. Then it snowballed into what is happening today.

I don't see her as a murder, but as someone who would desperately cover up any fault to stay in control.

The only thing that contradicted that idea was when I learned Casey did searches about chloroform. That made it look diabolical. But now I have learned from TV last night that teenagers use chloroform to enhance sex.

So the search for chloroform fit her lifestyle. It didn't necessarily say she was involved in a devious plot. And to me, she doesn't appear to be a person who would be involved in an evil plot.

She does seem like a person who would lie because impossible expectations are put on her.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Granted there is nothing about Casey's reaction, in the aftermath of an accidental scenario that is how any caring, reasonable, responsible ADULT would respond. But I'm wondering, if you take an ALREADY immature, insecure, manipulative, deceitful, narcissistic "unfit" mother (who's btw basically been BEGGING all her life for some SEMBLANCE of LIMITS or BOUNDARIES on her outrageously bad behavior) PRIOR to June 16th; then imagine (it's not hard) like a self-fulfilling prophecy, her negligence precipitates her child's death (if indeed, as I suspect, accident scenario resulting from poor supervision) compounded by inability to reach the only ones she trusted in those critical minutes, coupled by increasing paranoia of being discovered while desperately attempting to escape reality... I mean this would push someone even w/out fullblown borderline or NPD over the edge to something even more pathological, right? All those high-risk compulsive behaviors start to escalate (stealing, lying, spending etc) as the promiscuity seems to reach a fever pitch during the aftermath of the traumatic event. Every time I think of those initial conversations with her brother, it is to me a glaring, flashing neon SIGN the way she keeps TELLING Lee repeatedly that their mother was right all along, maybe she IS an unfit mother afterall, alluding to this whenever she is pressed for the TRUTH. When unable to produce or account for her child, in her most vulnerable moments, Casey is sharing and ADMITTING that she IS a poor mother. But the vulnerability begins to dissipate under pressure, as she resorts to self-deprecating ("Maybe I'm just a spiteful b*") a tactic used in my experience in place of true remorse by those lacking genuine empathy; and by the time their mother's re-entered the room, Casey's resumed her defensive posture and reverts to fabricating. What's WRONG with this picture? Looks to me as if Casey would rather SERVE A LIFE (OR DEATH) SENTENCE THAN ADMIT THE TRUTH TO HER MOTHER. She made other very telling remarks to LE to this effect ("I KNOW my mother will NEVER forgive me," etc) and begins posting ominous and fatalistic messages on her website all of which show, IMO if not remorse, EXTREME consciousness of guilt. But sadly which might be avoided if raised in an environment of both GRACE (for mistakes or imperfections) and TRUTH (consequences/accountability). Instead it seems deceit, permissiveness, self-preservation and fear have somehow been learned, and appearances have taken on more importance than operating in reality. IMO neither this family nor her attorney seem to be serving her best interests. What does it profit Casey to gain the whole world--her freedom--if she loses her soul?

 

[bookworm474]

I have read somewhere while researching Carl Jung material that some people identify with their shadow side. They believe they are bad as a basic premise. I have to wonder if in KC's life this was since she had Caylee or she just didn't get a foundation for a healthy personality from the beginning. Seem's like the birth of Caylee was more of a 'loss' to her development rather than a motivation for maturity. The games she has played with all the personalities in her head seems like a failure to have a core self---for herself. She has a SELF disorder. Just when it began, I can not tell. She has needed help, but no one has identified the root of her problem. If they even noticed.

 

[kiki the parrot]

"It almost seems like she is stuck in a time warp. Facts to consider:
KC tells everyone she works at Universal when she was let go from Universal in 2006.
GA says that he has been suspicious about KC not having a job for the past two years.
KC says that her parents are currently going through a rough patch and are about to divorce (that happened back in 2006).
KC says her dad is in the hospital but CA says that that little scare happened a couple of years ago."
This is compelling--but maybe the commonality is possibly related more to the FEAR OF FAILURE or rather hiding these disappointments from her parents and her inadequacies from her peers.

"Some of the things I read that people have posted about Casey hurt me because I believe that she has been the victim of severe abuse herself. Please don't flame me for my opinion until you have heard me out... As a victim of severe childhood sexual abuse, I feel I understand (BUT DON'T CONDONE) what Casey is doing, even though it makes absolutely no sense to anyone else. Is she a sociopath or psychopath? Maybe, I can't say, but her behavior fits very well with the patterns displayed by CSA survivors." Thank you for sharing. While I also suspect NPD or borderline in Casey's case, this link you're describing is not only well-established but in my own family's experience, a very accurate observation.

 

[bookworm474]

Kiki the Parrot---you are observing probably the essence of why KC has been acting out. I see her so desperate to fit in everywhere. She has gifts and in general people liked her. Something about the birth and the experience the first year didn't allow her to be who she thought she was. It made her cut off from where she could relate to people. The outside world with all the people ended up in her head mixed up and blended with her desires to be free and on her own. Why the disparate need to cling to people and trade them off? I see that FaceBook has thouseands of young people thinking that they will die if they don't have a hundred friends. How much of her problems is the culture she was trying so hard to master?

 

[kiki the parrot]

"I have read somewhere while researching Carl Jung material that some people identify with their shadow side. They believe they are bad as a basic premise. I have to wonder if in KC's life this was since she had Caylee or she just didn't get a foundation for a healthy personality from the beginning. Seem's like the birth of Caylee was more of a 'loss' to her development rather than a motivation for maturity. The games she has played with all the personalities in her head seems like a failure to have a core self---for herself. She has a SELF disorder. Just when it began, I can not tell. She has needed help, but no one has identified the root of her problem. If they even noticed."

I believe this type of personality disorder (narcissism) often results from a controlling parent's simultaneous over-indulgence/excessive smothering AND overly harsh and critical inacceptance of mistakes. Ie when a child is deprived of both boundaries AND permission to fail. When they are given neither a realistic humble sense of self (in relation to others), nor appropriate correction and consequences at critical times. In other words, unconditional love.