Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1

[OneLostGrl]

Wow, wouldn't I love to know that. I get sick of seeing all the parents constantly in competition with each other about whose child does what better. As the Buddha said, "Ego, this gigantic devil, has caused troubles for many lifetimes. Remember this great enemy; exterminate it quickly." If you want to listen to someone cut to the quick on this issue listen to the audio "Wake Up to Life" by Fr. Anthony De Mello. Ego has caused a lot of pain and you need not look past Casey's behavior to see that.

It's crazy!! Rather than defining their children for who they are they define them by their acomplishments. Then parents wonder why kids are so hard on themselves!

I am a sponge when it comes to anything self-help. I read everything I can get my hands on.. I will check out Fr. Anthony De Mello, thanks for the suggestion!!

 

[sharpar]

Just go by the facts, even if they lead to bizarre places.

Things Casey has said, which are called delusional lies, were correlated by a witness: who is being ignored just like witnesses and evidence was ignored in the JonBenet case. Jesse has said he wanted Caylee adopted. Casey has said she was prepared to provide another home for Caylee. The witness says Caylee was adopted, but now Casey has been betrayed, which is how she is acting right now. She is acting disgusted and betrayed. Just the facts. All those facts correlate. Forget how you feel, just go by the facts.

this isnt anything like the jonbenet case and your witness have been
discredited by LE and the A family - please take your own advice

 

[softsoul]

It's crazy!! Rather than defining their children for who they are they define them by their acomplishments. Then parents wonder why kids are so hard on themselves!

I am a sponge when it comes to anything self-help. I read everything I can get my hands on.. I will check out Fr. Anthony De Mello, thanks for the suggestion!!

Actually, I've never read any of De Mello's books but have listened to this audio again and again. It was the only time he ever allowed any of his talks to be recorded and he died later that evening. If you ever get the chance to listen to it I'd love to hear what you think. It is powerful...very powerful. I'd suggest it to Casey but she'd never be able to understand IMO.

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

Everything I have said was an attempt to show that maybe Casey is sane and normal, since a lot of what we think she said is insane correlates with other facts we think are insane. There is a high mathematical improbability of correlating two of three things unless those things are actually true, even if each statement taken alone, like, she is prepared to provide another home, seems delusional and crazy.

Now, hopefully, someone will take what I said and help Casey, and Caylee.

 

[Nashville Grrrl]

I am saying this is starting to look exactly like the JonBenet case.

People who are much higher up than Jesse or his brother are doing the manipulating, ignoring witnesses and causing people such as the nanny to mysteriously appear and then not exist. Jesse got connected with them through his brother, who was connected with missing children.

Quote: "When she and CA argued on Father's Day though technically Casey is refusing to leave Caylee there, pretending (mostly to herself) that she was prepared to provide another home for Caylee, insisting that SHE will maintain guardianship."

And now there is a witness who says Caylee has another home.

The perfect deal between Casey and Jesse would have been Caylee is provided another home, Casey has some rights to Caylee.

Casey loved Jesse. Jesse said he wanted Caylee adopted. The witness testimony fits what Casey said and what Jesse wanted.

If they had the decomp odor, they should have been able to come up with some corresponding DNA, otherwise the odor from any human decomposition could be planted, by people who are as sophisticated as the ones I accuse, but those people couldn't plant Caylee's DNA.

Uhhhh.... Cindy? Is that you?

 

[softsoul]

Everything I have said was an attempt to show that maybe Casey is sane and normal, since a lot of what we think she said is insane correlates with other facts we think are insane. There is a high mathematical improbability of correlating two of three things unless those things are actually true, even if each statement taken alone, like, she is prepared to provide another home, seems crazy.

Now, hopefully, someone will take what I said and help Casey, and Caylee.

I don't think anyone here has said she is insane. She clearly knows the the difference between right and wrong. However I beg to differ with "normal". Normal people do not have imaginary jobs, imaginary nannies, steal from family and friends, lie without any sense of remorse, etc., etc.

There is no proof JG or any of his family had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance. None.

 

[Meagain]

Now, hopefully, someone will take what I said and help Casey, and Caylee.

Casey doesn't need anyone's help. Caylee does. Casey can end this. She chooses not to. Period.

 

[sharpar]

Casey isnt even in the same neighborhood as normal but she is legally sane

she could easily help herself by telling the truth to the hundreds of

investigators and searchers trying to locate her daughter -

 

[JenninFla]

This thread has me wondering about a few things. I wonder when "symptoms" or these sociopathic tendency appear. My 5 year old son has so much in common with Casey it litterally scares me. He sees a therapist and is on 4 different "behavoral" meds and nothing changes. Some examples are my 4 year old used birthday money and bought a game boy while Kyle used his for different "cheap" toys and candy after his things are gone he wanted the gameboy so he hid it and told me crazy lies about where it is all the way down to a monster stealing it when I knew he did something with it eventually I found it and He just laughed becaues he hid it so good and it took me so long to find it. He will harm our animals then blame the animals. He talks about killing people and his self. He has absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything I dropped something on my foot and broke three toes and he stood in front of me and laughed about it. he shows no change with punishment and has almost a cold attiude with no emotion at all. We wont even get into the way he thinks about athurities. Im wondering when it crosses the line from mental illness and behavorial problems to something more. Could she have showed some "symptoms" early on the were over looked or could this be something that was missed and/or thought of something different?

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

You have a real problem with your son.

Casey said that at first she was given a script to follow and she said that at first she purposefully mislead investigators in order to make time to accomplish what she wanted to accomplish. She said she didn't even tell her mother the truth for Caylee's sake, which was actually true.

It appeared that she was in the process of setting up another home for Caylee, which happens to be what the man she loved wanted her to do.

She wanted to finish accomplishing that, and so she mislead investigators, for Caylee's sake, so she could set up the deal she was involved in. The true story would sound like another big lie. People she was working with were setting Caylee up in another home, illegally, but the witness' testimony correlates with the idea that Caylee was being set up in another home. Jesse said he wanted Caylee to be adopted. Casey told police she was willing to provide another home for Caylee if she could be the legal guardian. That's three correlations of the amazing story that sounds like a lie. If Casey told that to you, you wouldn't believe her, so she can't end it. She has been snookered. She has lost control, and right now she is acting like she has been betrayed and snookered. You can tell she is genuinely worried about Caylee, who she knows is alive.

She referred to the nanny, that you and everyone says is imaginary, in phone conversations when she had no reason to lie.

Someone should ask the family if Caylee introduces herself as Cayleemarieantiny, the way the witness said she introduced herself. If so, that changes everything in this case. It means the amazing story I related above is true.

 

[yolorado]

Casey isnt even in the same neighborhood as normal but she is legally sane

she could easily help herself by telling the truth to the hundreds of

investigators and searchers trying to locate her daughter -

Exactly. She's not hallucinating. She knew there weren't any REAL brownies for Jose so she baked some. She knew that she couldn't tell Lee where Caylee REALLY was, so she made up a half baked story. She knew she couldn't tell her mom where Caylee REALLY was so the imaginary nanny got into a car wreck. She knew she didn't really work at Universal, so she finally admitted to the cops that she had lied and lied. She's sane enough to continue to cover her involvement in Caylee's demise. She's sane enough to know the truth could help her, but too dumb to start telling it.

 

[Capri]

Casey doesn't need anyone's help. Caylee does. Casey can end this. She chooses not to. Period.

Amen:clap::clap::clap:

 

[sharpar]

This thread has me wondering about a few things. I wonder when "symptoms" or these sociopathic tendency appear. My 5 year old son has so much in common with Casey it litterally scares me. He sees a therapist and is on 4 different "behavoral" meds and nothing changes. Some examples are my 4 year old used birthday money and bought a game boy while Kyle used his for different "cheap" toys and candy after his things are gone he wanted the gameboy so he hid it and told me crazy lies about where it is all the way down to a monster stealing it when I knew he did something with it eventually I found it and He just laughed becaues he hid it so good and it took me so long to find it. He will harm our animals then blame the animals. He talks about killing people and his self. He has absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything I dropped something on my foot and broke three toes and he stood in front of me and laughed about it. he shows no change with punishment and has almost a cold attiude with no emotion at all. We wont even get into the way he thinks about athurities. Im wondering when it crosses the line from mental illness and behavorial problems to something more. Could she have showed some "symptoms" early on the were over looked or could this be something that was missed and/or thought of something different?

I am so sorry about your son - I dont know the answers to your questions but at 5 I would think there is still time to turn things around
I hope you also have a support system . Hugs and best wishes to you

 

[Black Magic Woman]

She reported this exactly but AFTER GA's video had come out explaining how Caylee said her name. Now that's interesting, isn't it?

MOO

quick question Pink Panther. do you know that George said this before the women out out with it? I'm asking because that women said on that thread I read that George said that after she reported that detail. Just wondered if you know for sure the answer to this.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

On Nancy Grace it was very clearly reported that Jesse didn't want Caylee.

Yes it was reported that he asked her about adoption, saying that he wan't ready to be a father. However from everything I've read/seen, after she said no he was willing to take responsibility for Casey AND Caylee just as if Caylee was his own, despite the fact that Caylee was not his, eventually asking Casey to marry him. a couple of questions I have about your theory...
1. other than Jesse asking Casey about the adoption, what facts lead you to believe that he did not want Caylee? Maybe I've missed something
2. What leads you to believe that Casey still loved Jesse all this time? My take on it has been that they have continued a friendship which occasionally may have included casual sex. She has had many boyfriends/sexual relationships in the last 2 years, which doesn't indicate to me she was/is in love with Jesse. In all the girltalk text messages we've seen, nothing indicates that she's in love with Jesse.
Just asking these things to get clearer on your theory and trying to keep an open mind.

 

[Ladytazz]

You have a real problem with your son.

Casey said that at first she was given a script to follow and she said that at first she purposefully mislead investigators in order to make time to accomplish what she wanted to accomplish. She said she didn't even tell her mother the truth for Caylee's sake, which was actually true.

It appeared that she was in the process of setting up another home for Caylee, which happens to be what the man she loved wanted her to do.

She wanted to finish accomplishing that, and so she mislead investigators, for Caylee's sake, so she could set up the deal she was involved in. The true story would sound like another big lie. People she was working with were setting Caylee up in another home, illegally, but the witness' testimony correlates with the idea that Caylee was being set up in another home. Jesse said he wanted Caylee to be adopted. Casey told police she was willing to provide another home for Caylee if she could be the legal guardian. That's three correlations of the amazing story that sounds like a lie. If Casey told that to you, you wouldn't believe her, so she can't end it. She has been snookered. She has lost control, and right now she is acting like she has been betrayed and snookered. You can tell she is genuinely worried about Caylee, who she knows is alive.

She referred to the nanny, that you and everyone says is imaginary, in phone conversations when she had no reason to lie.
Someone should ask the family if Caylee introduces herself as Cayleemarieantiny, the way the witness said she introduced herself. If so, that changes everything in this case. It means the amazing story I related above is true.

KC lies because that is what she does. A sociopath will lie when the truth would be more helpful to them. A nanny made her look important, much more then a baby sitter would. Even CA knows that the nanny doesn't exist.
That person you are talking about has having seen Caylee has been discredited even by CA, who would love more then anything for her to have honest.

 

[BetsyB]

This thread has me wondering about a few things. I wonder when "symptoms" or these sociopathic tendency appear.

It's very difficult to know what kind of behaviors to expect later in life from a child who exhibits behaviors like the ones you've described. Some of the behaviors, such as taking a GameBoy and making up stories, while on the extreme end of the spectrum, fall within age-expected magical thinking. Others, such as hurting animals, may not. At his age, I would not read tons into a lack of remorse--but I would expect to see development of the characteristic.

I'm not suggesting that you ignore real problem behaviors with your son--but it's not fair to compare sociopathic adult behavior with self-centered or even behaviorally disordered preschool or kindergarten behavior. Little people have developing consciences--they do not have the same degree of understanding of right and wrong as we do. Sociopaths have the understanding, but lack conscience altogether.

I hope your little boy, with help, develops into a fine young man. I know it's scary--I have sociopathy in my family. Most behavioral problems do not develop into terrible personality disorders. Even when they do, though, early intervention can help give a child tools to channel his behavior in more socially appropriate ways.

 

[kiki the parrot]

SoftSoul: "Wow, wouldn't I love to know that. I get sick of seeing all the parents constantly in competition with each other about whose child does what better."
OneLost: "It's crazy!! Rather than defining their children for who they are they define them by their acomplishments. Then parents wonder why kids are so hard on themselves!"
Actually guess this isn't what I'm doing at all. No pressure here, none of my kids were ever into competitive stuff--and I've NEVER defined them by their accomplishments. Probably just erred on the side of excessive encouragement or praise (if there is such a thing). Doesn't take alot of achievement to "please" this mama since I have always thought they were great just for who they are. (Guess that's more what I meant, that maybe some would consider that over-indulgent.) Anyway my earlier remark re Casey, and causes of NPD (or just narcissisim) was referring more to an environment with a lack of unconditional love, extremely high standards (perfectionism), and harsh criticism.

 

[Knot4u2no]

SoftSoul: "Wow, wouldn't I love to know that. I get sick of seeing all the parents constantly in competition with each other about whose child does what better."
OneLost: "It's crazy!! Rather than defining their children for who they are they define them by their acomplishments. Then parents wonder why kids are so hard on themselves!"
Actually guess this isn't what I'm doing at all. No pressure here, none of my kids were ever into competitive stuff--and I've NEVER defined them by their accomplishments. Probably just erred on the side of excessive encouragement or praise (if there is such a thing). Doesn't take alot of achievement to "please" this mama since I have always thought they were great just for who they are. (Guess that's more what I meant, that maybe some would consider that over-indulgent.) Anyway my earlier remark re Casey, and causes of NPD (or just narcissisim) was referring more to an environment with a lack of unconditional love, extremely high standards (perfectionism), and harsh criticism.

Just a comment related to "unconditional love." I know many people use that term loosely, but unconditional love means that love has no meaning ... no relationship ... no purpose ... if it is really "unconditional" then it is just as well without love. Misguided love is as destructive as hate and unconditional love, in my manner of thinking, is not love at all. I know it is just a matter of semantics, but the semantics are important. Love, true love, always has the conditions of expectation and necessity that can not be violated by the one loved. The one loved can be allowed to change, but the love that is active and cares is always conditional. The prodigal son had to change his direction, not the father. Point is, true love is conditional and often difficult to appreciate or understand. Unconditional love is what? No accountability? Unconditional forgiveness ... no penalty under the law? True love is to be open to others for them to change, but it is not unconditional, unless it is misguided. True love is in the Law, and it requires the person who violates the law to first pay the penalty of the law and then be accepted. Just my opinions, of course. I have similar thoughts related to "self-esteem," which I will keep to myself.

Russell

 

[Betty Boop]

Just a comment related to "unconditional love." I know many people use that term loosely, but unconditional love means that love has no meaning ... no relationship ... no purpose ... if it is really "unconditional" then it is just as well without love. Misguided love is as destructive as hate and unconditional love, in my manner of thinking, is not love at all. I know it is just a matter of semantics, but the semantics are important. Love, true love, always has the conditions of expectation and necessity that can not be violated by the one loved. The one loved can be allowed to change, but the love that is active and cares is always conditional. The prodigal son had to change his direction, not the father. Point is, true love is conditional and often difficult to appreciate or understand. Unconditional love is what? No accountability? Unconditional forgiveness ... no penalty under the law? True love is to be open to others for them to change, but it is not unconditional, unless it is misguided. True love is in the Law, and it requires the person who violates the law to first pay the penalty of the law and then be accepted. Just my opinions, of course. I have similar thoughts related to "self-esteem," which I will keep to myself.

Russell

I would like to hear your thoughts on self-esteem. No hurry, of course, as your thoughts on unconditional love will keep me busy for a while.

Deep.