Casey & Family Psychological Profile #1

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

Last week a man I don't like was talking to me about needing unconditional love from his live-in girlfriend, and I thought to myself, "What a wimp." The idea that came into my head was exactly what you expressed, but I couldn't verbalize it. Yours was a perfect description for why there is no such thing as unconditional love, nor should there be.

No, I did not know a video showed on TV how Caylee introduced herself: before the woman on the plane told her story. That means knowing how Caylee introduced herself is not proof that the woman was telling the truth.

Other proof she is telling the truth would be: Was there a woman, a boy, and a little girl on that plane that day? If so, what was the woman's name, is she from North Carolina?

You couldn't go to North Carolina and ask her to show you Caylee because what she would have been doing is illegal. So if the witness' story is true, then Casey knows Caylee is alive but has no idea where she is, just like Casey insists. And as well, the investigators are only blaming Casey for everything that happened and are not helping, which is what Casey insists.

Since this is such an important detail, investigators have a burden to show proof there was no woman, boy, and little girl on that plane that day.

Trying to discredit the witness' memory, or believing she is trying to get attention is not proof.

 

[sharpar]

I always considered unconditional love as love that is there in spite
of our human flaws. That the person expressing it would love someone for the imperfect person they are - that they would be supportive , accepting and forgiving . I didnt take its meaning literally but conceptually .

 

[yolorado]

Don't interview the woman who told the story, find the woman from North Carolina. An easier way to see if the story is real is to ask the Anthony family if Caylee usually introduced herself as Cayleemarieantiny, all one word. The woman who told the story could not know that. She only reported what she heard.

And it was Jesse who wanted Caylee to disappear. I didn't know that until I learned it from TV on Saturday, a repeat of an earlier show...

Snipped.

There is a video, which I saw with my own eyes, of an interview with George where he said that Caylee referred to herself as 'Cayleemarieantiny.' I believe it was from early on. If I saw it, other people probably saw it too. I think I heard Yuri say on the tape with Cindy that the FBI had gone someone's home to physically examine a child who was ABSOLUTELY not Caylee. Perhaps he was referring to this particular tip. Whatever, but apparently, these tips are being followed up.

Also apparently, Jesse has a passed a grueling FBI lie detector test. Wonder if KC has taken one of those. If not she should, since she's the one who 'lost' her child, no matter who else may or may not have wanted her around.

 

[txsvicki]

This thread has me wondering about a few things. I wonder when "symptoms" or these sociopathic tendency appear. My 5 year old son has so much in common with Casey it litterally scares me. He sees a therapist and is on 4 different "behavoral" meds and nothing changes. Some examples are my 4 year old used birthday money and bought a game boy while Kyle used his for different "cheap" toys and candy after his things are gone he wanted the gameboy so he hid it and told me crazy lies about where it is all the way down to a monster stealing it when I knew he did something with it eventually I found it and He just laughed becaues he hid it so good and it took me so long to find it. He will harm our animals then blame the animals. He talks about killing people and his self. He has absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything I dropped something on my foot and broke three toes and he stood in front of me and laughed about it. he shows no change with punishment and has almost a cold attiude with no emotion at all. We wont even get into the way he thinks about athurities. Im wondering when it crosses the line from mental illness and behavorial problems to something more. Could she have showed some "symptoms" early on the were over looked or could this be something that was missed and/or thought of something different?

Threatening to kill himself and people is really scary. My grandkids' have a cousin who was threatening such things and he finally got diagnosed as bipolar around age eight. Doctors don't like to diagnose that in kids though. Do you mind if I ask if he's got ADD? It seems like that is blamed for everything and is something that I am dealing with in a twelve year old who tells really big lies. I'd also really like to know what symptoms were showing in childhood with people like Casey. There had to be some.

 

[yolorado]

Last week a man I don't like was talking to me about needing unconditional love from his live-in girlfriend, and I thought to myself, "What a wimp." The idea that came into my head was exactly what you expressed, but I couldn't verbalize it. Yours was a perfect description for why there is no such thing as unconditional love, nor should there be.

No, I did not know a video showed on TV how Caylee introduced herself: before the woman on the plane told her story. That means knowing how Caylee introduced herself is not proof that the woman was telling the truth.

Other proof she is telling the truth would be: Was there a woman, a boy, and a little girl on that plane that day? If so, what was the woman's name, is she from North Carolina?

You couldn't go to North Carolina and ask her to show you Caylee because what she would have been doing is illegal. So if the witness' story is true, then Casey knows Caylee is alive but has no idea where she is, just like Casey insists. And as well, the investigators are only blaming Casey for everything that happened and are not helping, which is what Casey insists.

Since this is such an important detail, investigators have a burden to show proof there was no woman, boy, and little girl on that plane that day.

Trying to discredit the witness' memory, or believing she is trying to get attention is not proof.

KC has the ultimate burden here, which she has yet to fullfill by her co-operation. She never gave the police a place to start. The cops are human beings. They aren't magicians. They are not all-knowing, all- seeing. They can't be everywhere at once. It's clear than the investigation is ongoing. It's also clear that KC continues to obstruct it by failing, even today, to provide truthful, verifiable information that could assist the police, perhaps even point them into new and more accurate directions that could actually lead to Caylee. That's a fact. She's still not helping to find Caylee.

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

I didn't know they had examined the lead, but I already said if they went to examine a little girl, of course she would not be Caylee. What the people were doing was illegal.

If there was a woman, a boy, and a little girl on the plane that day from North Carolina, that is strong indication the witness was telling the truth. She correctly described the way Caylee introduced herself, which is not in conflict with the truth. I didn't see the video, and maybe she didn't either, so maybe she didn't already know how Caylee introduced herself. It could be that she actually heard Caylee introduce herself.

The fact that a woman a boy and a little girl was on the plane that day would prove a lot of credibility, and apparently there was since they went to see if the girl was Caylee. But of course the girl they met would not be Caylee.

If it is true there was a woman, a boy, and little girl on that plane just like the witness said, you can't go to the next step and believe if you go see the girl, the woman who illegally adopted her will produce Caylee.

This is like the Jon Benet case where there seemed to be people in high places in the background arranging things, pulling strings, ignoring evidence and witnesses. Then, they admitted they were wrong and that the Ramseys were innocent, but they never solved the case.

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

If there was a woman, a boy, and little girl on that plane just like the witness said, you can't go to the next step and believe if you go see the girl, the woman who illegally adopted her will produce Caylee.

What you can do is ask yourself if this story fits with other statements and facts. You can't verify it by actually finding Caylee, but if the witness' story is true, then everything Casey has said lately and how she has acted would be the truth.

For example, when she did things to indicate she was unusually happy after Caylee's disappearance, which didn't make sense to you, but according to this story she had found Caylee another home and she had a chance with Jesse again. That would have made her happy. She wouldn't talk about Jesse on the web because that was too private, and she was fishing for other men in case he didn't come back. But she truly loved Jesse and Jesse truly didn't want the responsibility of a child.

According to the arrangement, where according to the witness Caylee was very happy, Casey would have thought she had the right to get Caylee back and see her at any time. Then Casey began to realize she had been double crossed and now she is the bad guy just like the Ramseys were, no matter what they said. Later it turned out they were innocent: what the Ramseys said was true.

This a gotcha game, played at a very high level, just like JonBenet.

 

[yolorado]

I didn't know they had examined the lead, but I already said if they went to examine a little girl, of course she would not be Caylee. What the people were doing was illegal.

If there was a woman, a boy, and a little girl on the plane that day from North Carolina, that is strong indication the witness was telling the truth. She correctly described the way Caylee introduced herself, which is not in conflict with the truth. I didn't see the video, and maybe she didn't either, so maybe she didn't already know how Caylee introduced herself. It could be that she actually heard Caylee introduce herself.

The fact that a woman a boy and a little girl was on the plane that day would prove a lot of credibility, and apparently there was since they went to see if the girl was Caylee. But of course the girl they met would not be Caylee.

If it is true there was a woman, a boy, and little girl on that plane just like the witness said, you can't go to the next step and believe if you go see the girl, the woman who illegally adopted her will produce Caylee.

This is like the Jon Benet case where there seemed to be people in high places in the background arranging things, pulling strings, ignoring evidence and witnesses. Then, they admitted they were wrong and that the Ramseys were innocent, but they never solved the case.

The flakey DA 'cleared' the Ramseys. The cops and the majority of people who followed the case closely for years still think they're guilty, at least Patsy. I personally think the evidence still proves at least one Ramsey killed JB with the other possibly only covering up. But I will continue to believe they're guilty. I mean, really, what 'stranger' or 'acquaintance' for that matter goes into a house where people are sleeping and could wake up at any minute, sits down and writes a several page ransom note with a sharpie from the desk before walking all around their house, up stairs, down stairs, comimg up with a broken painbrush from PR's paintbox to form a garrotte that just happens to have hairs from the sweater that PR just happens to have been wearning the night before and still the morning after, abuducting a child, but not taking her taking out, feeding her pineapple, taking her into the basement, killing her at some point, but also changing her into her favorite underwear? Somebody got away with murder, but I don't think it was a 'stranger.' But that's another case. Sorry, I won't digress again.

Point is, seems to me that the cops are following up tips they get vis a vie Caylee, but the mostly likely scenario, the big, hairy likelihood staring right down at them like Bigfoot on crack, is that the victim's mother, who won't give them verifiable truthful information that might lead to the discovery of her child, is lying to avoid the consequences because she has killed her child, for whatever motivation or circumstance, whatever personality deficiencies she has. They would be truly remiss if they ignored all the evidence pointing to that!

 

[Darshana]

If it is true there was a woman, a boy, and little girl on that plane just like the witness said, you can't go to the next step and believe if you go see the girl, the woman who illegally adopted her will produce Caylee.

What you can do is ask yourself if this story fits with other statements and facts. You can't verify it by actually finding Caylee, but if this story is true, then everything Casey has said lately and how she has acted would be the truth.

For example, when she did things to indicate she was unusually happy after Caylee's disappearance, which didn't make sense to you, but according to this story she had found Caylee another home and she had a chance with Jesse again. That would have made her happy. She wouldn't talk about Jesse on the web because that was too private and she was fishing for other men in case he didn't come back. But she truly loved Jesse and Jesse truly didn't want the responsibility of a child.

According to the arrangement, where according to the witness Caylee was very happy, Casey thought she had the right to get Caylee back and see her at any time. Then Casey began to realize she had been double crossed and now she is the bad guy just like the Ramseys were, no matter what they said. Later it turned out they were innocent: what the Ramseys said was true.

This a gotcha game, played at a very high level, just like JonBenet.

I agree in that LE SHOULD check out this tip and I think they have.To what extent I am not sure. But there have been numerous Caylee sightings that they have followed up on and believe and hope they would have done the same with this one. I cannot give Casey any support here because whether Caylee is dead or alive she MOST DEFINATELY had apart in all this. How could one not see that with her continuous lies? Her lies have been proven over and over.....

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

Rocky Mountain News, Aug 22, 2006

A well-known national handwriting expert said Monday he is certain John Mark Karr wrote the ransom note found near the scene of JonBenet Ramsey's murder.

"…there are at least a dozen traits that match up perfectly when comparing a (high school) yearbook signed by Karr and the ransom note. Some of those traits are fairly common, while others are rare. So many similarities pushes the odds up into the seven digits. To put it another way, the chances are a million-to-one that someone other than Karr wrote the ransom note."


The experts here are saying because they didn't find Caylee, the witness was lying; but many other facts lined up. If the woman on the plane is telling the truth, then everything Casey is saying and all the facts fit neatly. Even a million-to-one fit doesn't prove anything according to the experts who have some kind of agenda and want to get Casey and wanted to get the Ramseys.

After the million-to-one match on the ransom note, you still think John Mark Karr was lying? And you still think Casey Anthony is delusional, lost touch with reality, that nothing she says or does is true? Everything she does and says fits the witness' story as I have constructed it.

And of course, OJ is innocent. The authorities never have an agenda.

Whatever scenario you want to have for JonBenet you have to include the part where John Mark Karr slipped in, wrote a ransom note, and left.

 

[EastSideOfSaddness]

Rocky Mountain News, Aug 22, 2006

A well-known national handwriting expert said Monday he is certain John Mark Karr wrote the ransom note found near the scene of JonBenet Ramsey's murder.

"…there are at least a dozen traits that match up perfectly when comparing a (high school) yearbook signed by Karr and the ransom note. Some of those traits are fairly common, while others are rare. So many similarities pushes the odds up into the seven digits. To put it another way, the chances are a million-to-one that someone other than Karr wrote the ransom note."


The experts here are saying because they didn't find Caylee, the witness was lying; but many other facts lined up. If the woman on the plane is telling the truth, then everything Casey is saying and all the facts fit neatly. A million-to-one fit doesn't prove anything according to the experts who have an agenda and want to get Casey and wanted to get the Ramseys.

I beg to differ.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Just a comment related to "unconditional love." I know many people use that term loosely, but unconditional love means that love has no meaning ... no relationship ... no purpose ... if it is really "unconditional" then it is just as well without love. Misguided love is as destructive as hate and unconditional love, in my manner of thinking, is not love at all. I know it is just a matter of semantics, but the semantics are important. Love, true love, always has the conditions of expectation and necessity that can not be violated by the one loved. The one loved can be allowed to change, but the love that is active and cares is always conditional. The prodigal son had to change his direction, not the father. Point is, true love is conditional and often difficult to appreciate or understand. Unconditional love is what? No accountability? Unconditional forgiveness ... no penalty under the law? True love is to be open to others for them to change, but it is not unconditional, unless it is misguided. True love is in the Law, and it requires the person who violates the law to first pay the penalty of the law and then be accepted. Just my opinions, of course. I have similar thoughts related to "self-esteem," which I will keep to myself.
Russell

Please don't keep them to yourself. I for one would value your input. I will be healing and fixing the wounds I created in my child every day for the rest of my life and it helps me to be able to receive sound advice especially when it is coming from a professional. Of course I have my own "team" of professionals but IMO too much is never enough.

So if it isn't too much to ask when you do get time please do share your thoughts with us! Thanks

 

[OneLostGrl]

I always considered unconditional love as love that is there in spite
of our human flaws. That the person expressing it would love someone for the imperfect person they are - that they would be supportive , accepting and forgiving . I didnt take its meaning literally but conceptually .

Me too.

 

[OneLostGrl]

This thread has me wondering about a few things. I wonder when "symptoms" or these sociopathic tendency appear. My 5 year old son has so much in common with Casey it litterally scares me. He sees a therapist and is on 4 different "behavoral" meds and nothing changes. Some examples are my 4 year old used birthday money and bought a game boy while Kyle used his for different "cheap" toys and candy after his things are gone he wanted the gameboy so he hid it and told me crazy lies about where it is all the way down to a monster stealing it when I knew he did something with it eventually I found it and He just laughed becaues he hid it so good and it took me so long to find it. He will harm our animals then blame the animals. He talks about killing people and his self. He has absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything I dropped something on my foot and broke three toes and he stood in front of me and laughed about it. he shows no change with punishment and has almost a cold attiude with no emotion at all. We wont even get into the way he thinks about athurities. Im wondering when it crosses the line from mental illness and behavorial problems to something more. Could she have showed some "symptoms" early on the were over looked or could this be something that was missed and/or thought of something different?

Is his therapist aware of the extreme behaviors he exibits? Are you completely honest with the doctors about your sons "symptoms"?

 

[Sammiejam]

Just a comment related to "unconditional love." I know many people use that term loosely, but unconditional love means that love has no meaning ... no relationship ... no purpose ... if it is really "unconditional" then it is just as well without love. Misguided love is as destructive as hate and unconditional love, in my manner of thinking, is not love at all. I know it is just a matter of semantics, but the semantics are important. Love, true love, always has the conditions of expectation and necessity that can not be violated by the one loved. The one loved can be allowed to change, but the love that is active and cares is always conditional. The prodigal son had to change his direction, not the father. Point is, true love is conditional and often difficult to appreciate or understand. Unconditional love is what? No accountability? Unconditional forgiveness ... no penalty under the law? True love is to be open to others for them to change, but it is not unconditional, unless it is misguided. True love is in the Law, and it requires the person who violates the law to first pay the penalty of the law and then be accepted. Just my opinions, of course. I have similar thoughts related to "self-esteem," which I will keep to myself.

Russell

Russell, that was fantastic. I totally agree with every word.

(ETA - The context in which i discuss love in the following instances, is one where I refer to the outward actions and behaviour of the person who loves, ie positive reinforcement, either verbally or by givening material rewards - think puppy training but for people )

If the object of the "unconditional love" feels as if they would recieve that "love" no matter what the circumstances or how they behave, how can that "love" have any value? If child that is loved "unconditionally" regardless of behaviours and attitudes, how does the child learn to act in a way that promotes healthy, loving relationships? When "love" equals "anything goes" then that would also include verbal and physical violence, mental abuse and many other negative behaviours, all of which are not loving at all. Ergo, "unconditional" love does NOT promote an atmosphere which is condusive for healthy self-esteem and truely loving relationships. JMHO of course!

I would also love to hear your ideas on self-esteem. You are one smart cookie!

I see alot of the above mentioned behaviour in CA's continued/confused denials and rationalisations of KC's behaviour.

 

[Darshana]

Please don't keep them to yourself. I for one would value your input. I will be healing and fixing the wounds I created in my child every day for the rest of my life and it helps me to be able to receive sound advice especially when it is coming from a professional. Of course I have my own "team" of professionals but IMO too much is never enough.

So if it isn't too much to ask when you do get time please do share your thoughts with us! Thanks

OLG.. I know what you are saying. So much pain involved with past mistakes and the toll it takes on your children. It can haunt you for a lifetime at least that is how I feel. Casey shows nothing and it is so frustrating!!!!! I remember on one interview where she is talking to a friend from jail, cannot remember if it was Amy but she said "all they care about is finding Caylee" there was a pause and then she stated "as they should be" somethig to that affect. This whole thing has to do with Casey and her Mom. Very disturbing and very sad!!!

 

[JohnVaughanCauthen]

Maybe the Ramseys were forging John Mark Karr's unique handwriting. JMK is different, not creditable, so nothing he said could be true.

If the woman on the plane is telling the truth, then everything Casey is saying and all the facts fit neatly. You beg to differ.

It is very hard to construct a scenario, and there is room for doubt. But my scenario makes everything Casey has said lately look true. The New Testament says, "If you call someone a fool, it is like murdering him and you are in danger of hell fire."

So it's best to start by assuming they are telling the truth and look for facts based on that. If all of your reasoning is based on the idea that these people are fools, according to the Bible you are in danger of hell fire, and worse, of being wrong.

LostGirl, what do you think? I edited this and asked this question after you wrote your next post. What if you are not that bad either? The authorities seem to want to say everyone who is not June and Ward Cleaver is bad and should be punished for it.

 

[OneLostGrl]

OLG.. I know what you are saying. So much pain involved with past mistakes and the toll it takes on your children. It can haunt you for a lifetime at least that is how I feel. Casey shows nothing and it is so frustrating!!!!! I remember on one interview where she is talking to a friend from jail, cannot remember if it was Amy but she said "all they care about is finding Caylee" there was a pause and then she stated "as they should be" somethig to that affect. This whole thing has to do with Casey and her Mom. Very disturbing and very sad!!!

yeah.. it was Kristina (not sure on the spelling) she said that to.

Hey, I have a larger graphic of the one you have in your avatar but it is animated. If you are interested in having it to go with yours, I can post it so you can copy it to your computer. Let me know, ok?

 

[Darshana]

yeah.. it was Kristina (not sure on the spelling) she said that to.

Hey, I have a larger graphic of the one you have in your avatar but it is animated. If you are interested in having it to go with yours, I can post it so you can copy it to your computer. Let me know, ok?

Sure...Thanks!

 

[Darshana]

Maybe the Ramseys were forging John Mark Karr's unique handwriting. JMK is different, not creditable, so nothing he said could be true.

If the woman on the plane is telling the truth, then everything Casey is saying and all the facts fit neatly. You beg to differ.

It is very hard to construct a scenario, and there is room for doubt. But my scenario makes everything Casey has said lately look true. The New Testament says, "If you call someone a fool, it is like murdering him and you are in danger of hell fire."

So it's best to start by assuming they are telling the truth and look for facts based on that. If all of your reasoning is based on the idea that these people are fools, according to the Bible you are in danger of hell fire, and worse, of being wrong.

LostGirl, what do you think? I edited this and asked this question after you wrote your next post. What if you are not that bad either? The authorities seem to want to say everyone who is not June and Ward Cleaver is bad and should be punished for it.

No I believe LE should have followed up on this lead as I have always had a strong belief she was still alive. I pray I am right. I think they should absolutley be interviewing anyone who saw her and researching the airline records to determine if this person coming forward is indeed credible. But I have heard nothing about that. So sad that so many people must lie @ the expense of a little 3 year old. What is wrong with this family? They are as sick as KC is as far as I am concerned!!!