Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3

[kageykaren]

I have been watching the beavior of the A's like Diane Fossy watches gorillas in the mist. Socialally they seem to not fit in with the pack. CA's possible overaffectionate behavior is a way to try and control a conversation. KC even uses this form of manipulative conversation with males & females. It is true passive aggressive behavior & that folks is a learned behavior verses brain disorder. GA & LA are right there with the women displaying those behaviors. Can we count how many times we the public have witnessed these behaviors right in front of the camera?

 

[metalcrystal]

I have been watching the beavior of the A's like Diane Fossy watches gorillas in the mist. Socialally they seem to not fit in with the pack. CA's possible overaffectionate behavior is a way to try and control a conversation. KC even uses this form of manipulative conversation with males & females. It is true passive aggressive behavior & that folks is a learned behavior verses brain disorder. GA & LA are right there with the women displaying those behaviors. Can we count how many times we the public have witnessed these behaviors right in front of the camera?

I think you are right on Karen. like the analogy, too.

 

[Capri]

The way she strokes on men is NOT normal for a 50 yr. old housewife, at least not in my world. She even was hanging on Yuri and calling the detctives "hon". Too much familiarity, no matter what you are going thru. My family is very affectionate but I would not be stroking my son's thigh, he would have his arm around me, and so would my husband. But my husband would flip out if I was stroking mens backs, that I barely knew. To us, it seems very inapproriate.
And no offense, but i havent seen CA overwhelmed yet in ANY way.

No way is CA "overwhelmed", she's very much in control in this photo. She has a grip on both people that she needs to keep in check.

People have different levels of what is comfortable and acceptable(even if inappropriate) in their families. This pic, IMHO, shows that CA is comfortable with her hand very high on LA's thigh, and LA is willing to allow her to do that, although, he is not reciprocating, and his hands are clasped together, in a more "closed" position (i.e. I'll let you put your hand there, but I don't like it). Reading too much into it? Maybe yes, maybe no.

 

[kageykaren]

:woohoo: Watch the LK video again. I actually got a laugh off of their interview. CA is Clatching, (funny word) onto GA's leg so hard under that desk that she starts leaning like the tower of piza that she just about falls over. Makes me think CA has those guys by the b---s all the time. We were all so serious to see what they would say in the interview that it takes a second look at watching what they don't say and watching the interaction between CA & GA. Let me know if you found them alittle comical too.

 

[kageykaren]

Watch the LK video again. I actually got a laugh off of their interview. CA is Clatching, (funny word) onto GA's leg so hard under that desk that she starts leaning like the tower of piza that she just about falls over. Makes me think CA has those guys by the b---s all the time.

 

[metalcrystal]

Karen, I know, she was finishing his sentences and interrupting him. It was a waste, a huge waste. But at least they got to stay someplace nice.

 

[Nosey Parker]

That is definitely a "watch what you say" clutch. My son is just a little older than LA, and we are very close. However, he would never accept me holding his thigh, other than a quick squeeze of the knee as encouragement or congratulation for something. Nor would I dream of embarrassing him in that way. He would, though, be very protective of me in that situation and would be holding my hand, or have his arm around me.

I find this picture to be a snap of a dysfunctional family, no matter the circumstances.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I don't see anything perverse or wrong with Cindy grabbing on to Lee's leg in that manner. It appears to me that is a grip of "I can't do this alone"...note George is also holding her other hand. Remember folks, this woman was suffering terribly and worried and the aura of all the camera's, news, etc. had to have been overwhelming to say the least.
By the way...I question more why Lee is not holding on to his mom? What is he keeping clenched away from her? I still cannot help but to think that he has more involvement in this than what we know.

My bold: I do not see George holding her hand - I see her holding George's hand, and in a very awkward position too - not as though he offered it, but rather that she has pulled it over toward her.

All three of their faces show aggression and defiance, even in those early days. They don't look overwhelmed about the camera to me.

 

[passionflower]

I know this is an early-in-the-case pic, but it is so telling. CA's hand is way up on LA's thigh, much higher on the thigh than the average 20-something guy would feel comfortable with his mother doing. Boundary issues showing here. Also interesting is the "blocking" LA is doing with his hands.

My grown son would have a fit if I touched his leg like that. His arm, shoulder, hand but thigh?????? IMO esp for a news pix. Actually my son and hubby would be holding me and I would be in tears..........

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

The way she strokes on men is NOT normal for a 50 yr. old housewife, at least not in my world. She even was hanging on Yuri and calling the detctives "hon". Too much familiarity, no matter what you are going thru. My family is very affectionate but I would not be stroking my son's thigh, he would have his arm around me, and so would my husband. But my husband would flip out if I was stroking mens backs, that I barely knew. To us, it seems very inapproriate.
And no offense, but i havent seen CA overwhelmed yet in ANY way.

I don't recall seeing her "strokes" on men...at least nothing that stands out. Remember, you only see what the media wants you to see. They are only going to show you breakdown or bizarre moments. Rare "normal moments". I cannot imagine how you cannot see how CA has been overwhelmed given the extreme weight loss, the circus in her yard, the strangers who come out and verbally attack her, etc. I thought she handled herself very well when that old lady starts screaming at her about 3 inches from her face. How can you not see she is overwhelmed with fear, grief, and worry throughout the entire time Caylee has been missing?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

My grown son would have a fit if I touched his leg like that. His arm, shoulder, hand but thigh?????? IMO esp for a news pix. Actually my son and hubby would be holding me and I would be in tears..........

Well, it looks like I am the minority here. LOL. I just can't see what you all are seeing in this pic. I'll tell you what I see.

I see that Lee is hiding something. Something he does not want his mom to know...perhaps he is hiding the fact that his true belief is that Caylee is dead and Casey did it and he doesn't want his mom to know that is his TRUE inner belief?...........hence the clutched hands held close.

I see Cindy as having fear the highest possible and grabbing to anyone and everyone who will listen to her plea's that her granddaughter IS alive....and holding on to those two next to her as if to say "please tell them. Tell them for me that she is not dead she is alive! Casey did not kill her daughter". This woman was in such denial...and wouldn't surprise me if she still is.

I see George as totally "zombie like" in that he is waiting for Cindy to fix all this for him. His "I don't know what to do" face comes through in this photo pretty loud and clear to me. That's what I see.

I don't see manipulation nor anything perverse in this pic. I see pure denial, fear and pain.

 

[PaulaF513]

Well, it looks like I am the minority here. LOL. I just can't see what you all are seeing in this pic. I'll tell you what I see.

I see that Lee is hiding something. Something he does not want his mom to know...perhaps he is hiding the fact that his true belief is that Caylee is dead and Casey did it and he doesn't want his mom to know that is his TRUE inner belief?...........hence the clutched hands held close.

I see Cindy as having fear the highest possible and grabbing to anyone and everyone who will listen to her plea's that her granddaughter IS alive....and holding on to those two next to her as if to say "please tell them. Tell them for me that she is not dead she is alive! Casey did not kill her daughter". This woman was in such denial...and wouldn't surprise me if she still is.

I see George as totally "zombie like" in that he is waiting for Cindy to fix all this for him. His "I don't know what to do" face comes through in this photo pretty loud and clear to me. That's what I see.

I don't see manipulation nor anything perverse in this pic. I see pure denial, fear and pain.

Very astute interpretation Lavanda...I completely agree with you.

Another thing that should be noted is Cindy's profession as a nurse. A lot of nurses touch because touching is associated with comforting and helping. Touching is something that she has probably done almost subconsciously throughout the years. Now she is the one who really needs comforting and she automatically reaches out..to anyone who can potentially soothe her intense fear.

 

[Noexcuse]

Well, it looks like I am the minority here. LOL. I just can't see what you all are seeing in this pic. I'll tell you what I see.

I see that Lee is hiding something. Something he does not want his mom to know...perhaps he is hiding the fact that his true belief is that Caylee is dead and Casey did it and he doesn't want his mom to know that is his TRUE inner belief?...........hence the clutched hands held close.

I see Cindy as having fear the highest possible and grabbing to anyone and everyone who will listen to her plea's that her granddaughter IS alive....and holding on to those two next to her as if to say "please tell them. Tell them for me that she is not dead she is alive! Casey did not kill her daughter". This woman was in such denial...and wouldn't surprise me if she still is.

I see George as totally "zombie like" in that he is waiting for Cindy to fix all this for him. His "I don't know what to do" face comes through in this photo pretty loud and clear to me. That's what I see.

I don't see manipulation nor anything perverse in this pic. I see pure denial, fear and pain.

I also agree with your analysis of this picture. We have to remember that Cindy's role in this family has always been the driving force. She has been the sole/main provider for a family of 5. She has juggled the roles of Mother, Wife, Breadwinner, Housekeeper,Counselor,Grandmother, dutiful daughter of elderly parents,etc...
I personally believe that it takes a very strong woman to maintain these duties and with that strength comes characteristics that are often perceived as harsh or controlling or even bitc..
It takes a lot to juggle all of those balls at once and you know that she is constantly telling herself whatever it takes to maintain her sanity and her household.
I cannot even imagine how hard it must be to live under so much public scrutiny where every single word or action is held up for critical analysis to find fault and crucify her.
With the advantage of hindsight I am sure that she would have taken many different paths in life and her choices would have been different on many occasions as would we all.
Everyone deals with pain, loss, regrets and chaotic family crisis in their own way, can we all just agree to allow her deal with these emotions in whatever way is right for her. When you have always felt like you have had to be the strong one, the one who holds it all together for the sake of everyone else, it is very difficult to come to terms with your personal vulnerability and the fact that you might need a shoulder to lean on.
Don't get me wrong. I don't see Cindy as some type of Saint or even ideal Mother. I see her more as a normal woman with inherent flaws just like the rest of us. Trying to live through and deal with and indescribably difficult family crisis.
I cannot bring myself to vilify or sit in judgment of her at this time.

God Bless and Happy New Year fellow WS'ers

 

[Capri]

That is definitely a "watch what you say" clutch. My son is just a little older than LA, and we are very close. However, he would never accept me holding his thigh, other than a quick squeeze of the knee as encouragement or congratulation for something. Nor would I dream of embarrassing him in that way. He would, though, be very protective of me in that situation and would be holding my hand, or have his arm around me.

I find this picture to be a snap of a dysfunctional family, no matter the circumstances.

Definitely a dysfunctional family.

 

[songline]

Now this is something I will just never understand. You hear about it all the time, people who dont recognize a pregnancy and it just boggles my mind. Where I work we go across the street to a convienance store on break and get pretty friendly with the girls who work there. A slender girl of KC's build started getting bigger in the middle and we just assumed she was pregnant and asked her when she was due. She was kind of offended and said she just puts on weight in the middle and she was not pregnant. Well at first we felt dumb and thought oops...but as the months went on her stomache got bigger and bigger, but nothing else on her body did. This was a pregnant belly, there was no doubt about it, she still wore belly shirts and low cut pants, her belly was round and firm. We would discuss this and could not fathom how she did not know she was pregnant when we all did! We wondered if we were going to hear about her giving birth in the bathroom, her co workers insisted no, she was not pregnant. Thank goodness at 8 months she decided to go to a doctor and admit she was pregnant. Having witnessed this first hand I just cant believe that unless you don't want to know you cant see it. CA must not have even wanted to know is all I can figure.

Big difference is that CA is a nurse. I can not imagine someone in the medical field not knowing...
I can only imagine her pretending not to know, or being in extreme denial.

 

[reeseeva]

I was thinking of starting a thread for this question, but felt it would probably be Bumped here.

I have read alot here of personal experiences with people like Casey, & explanations of personality disorders, etc.

I feel the outrage with people like her, Joran Van Der S., & many more, seem to be a total lack of Empathy coupled with an arrogant bravado & no fear! I have read that this is indictive of sociopathic behavior & understand what it is.

My question is: Is it our society, the "world in which we live" that is contributing to, what seems to me, a growing number of particularly younger people affected with this? Also, since the inception of the internet, video games & the ever accelerating, information gathering, overloading world we are now forced to keep up with, it begs the question is "sensory overload =Sensory Depravation?

Would love to hear from the experts on this.

 

[Knot4u2no]

I was thinking of starting a thread for this question, but felt it would probably be Bumped here.

I have read alot here of personal experiences with people like Casey, & explanations of personality disorders, etc.

I feel the outrage with people like her, Joran Van Der S., & many more, seem to be a total lack of Empathy coupled with an arrogant bravado & no fear! I have read that this is indictive of sociopathic behavior & understand what it is.

My question is: Is it our society, the "world in which we live" that is contributing to, what seems to me, a growing number of particularly younger people affected with this? Also, since the inception of the internet, video games & the ever accelerating, information gathering, overloading world we are now forced to keep up with, it begs the question is "sensory overload =Sensory Depravation?

Would love to hear from the experts on this.

I’m no expert, but I do think our culture and its various subcultures increasingly diminish sensitivity to others and critical thinking skills, and assault individuality, personal responsibility and the family unit. Long term relationships are devalued and difficult to maintain. Immediate gratification and sensory experiences are valued, while long term goals and understanding matters of life and living are disesteemed. Lying, cheating and stealing are increasingly considered an essential norm for success, and the laws of the jungle take priority over matters of principle and adaptive developmental efforts. Certainly, these and related factors contribute to a culture of narcissism and personal gain at the expense of others. It is pleasure driven and propagated by the news media as much as the entertainment media, which are increasingly the same media. The basic concepts of good management are increasingly out of the conceptual range of teenagers and young adults. There are other cultures that are as self-destructive as ours due to their own underlying problems, but our self-serving, narrow minded, self-destructive development is actively reinforced by our motivation and related beliefs, values and value judgments. Society did not make the choices for Casey, but you can certainly see our culture in Casey. I think that is a caveat worth noting.

Just my opinions,
Russell

 

[reeseeva]

I’m no expert, but I do think our culture and its various subcultures increasingly diminish sensitivity to others and critical thinking skills, and assault individuality, personal responsibility and the family unit. Long term relationships are devalued and difficult to maintain. Immediate gratification and sensory experiences are valued, while long term goals and understanding matters of life and living are disesteemed. Lying, cheating and stealing are increasingly considered an essential norm for success, and the laws of the jungle take priority over matters of principle and adaptive developmental efforts. Certainly, these and related factors contribute to a culture of narcissism and personal gain at the expense of others. It is pleasure driven and propagated by the news media as much as the entertainment media, which are increasingly the same media. The basic concepts of good management are increasingly out of the conceptual range of teenagers and young adults. There are other cultures that are as self-destructive as ours due to their own underlying problems, but our self-serving, narrow minded, self-destructive development is actively reinforced by our motivation and related beliefs, values and value judgments. Society did not make the choices for Casey, but you can certainly see our culture in Casey. I think that is a caveat worth noting.:clap::clap:


Just my opinions,
Russell

Well said, Bravo! & Thank you for such an articulate, clear interpretation of where I feel, sadly, our society is these days. We are seeing this played out daily in Government, Wall Street & many other sectors. It is running rampant & becomming acceptable to live with these inummerable transgressions. There is little or no consequence to these Crimes against our society.

 

[kageykaren]

Everything increases with time, even criminal behavior. Society is going to have to figure out how we are going to deal with the influx of societies outcast. Some students of psychology are writing there thesises on housing this sect of society on islands? This subject will be a hot debate in our futures.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

NoExcuse....my thoughts exactly. Excellent post.