Casey & Family Psychological Profile #3

[Lavanda Dolce]

I’m no expert, but I do think our culture and its various subcultures increasingly diminish sensitivity to others and critical thinking skills, and assault individuality, personal responsibility and the family unit. Long term relationships are devalued and difficult to maintain. Immediate gratification and sensory experiences are valued, while long term goals and understanding matters of life and living are disesteemed. Lying, cheating and stealing are increasingly considered an essential norm for success, and the laws of the jungle take priority over matters of principle and adaptive developmental efforts. Certainly, these and related factors contribute to a culture of narcissism and personal gain at the expense of others. It is pleasure driven and propagated by the news media as much as the entertainment media, which are increasingly the same media. The basic concepts of good management are increasingly out of the conceptual range of teenagers and young adults. There are other cultures that are as self-destructive as ours due to their own underlying problems, but our self-serving, narrow minded, self-destructive development is actively reinforced by our motivation and related beliefs, values and value judgments. Society did not make the choices for Casey, but you can certainly see our culture in Casey. I think that is a caveat worth noting.

Just my opinions,
Russell

One must not overlook the environmental "toxic contributions" to society: Preservatives, chemicals, inorganic chemical residues, caffeine, nicotine, cola, radiation exposure, food preservatives, chemicals, vaccination poisons,
pesticides/insecticides, industrial pollution, mercury, lead,exhaust, cool combustion, Free-on,herbicides and pesticides, household detergents, industrial dust, auto exhaust ,air pollution, adhesives, air conditioner filters, talc and body powder, broken thermometers, cosmetics, all plastics, diuretics, fabric softeners, floor waxes/polishes, fungicides, medications, over the counter and prescribed,industrial waste, laxatives, mercurochrome,hair dyes, cigarette smoke,solvents, radiation exposure, asbestos ....we could go on and on...all of these as contributing factors. It's not just about "green" and our "ozone". It's about what is allowed to be processed and entered into our bodies by our own manufacturers.

PS. If you all think bottled water is 100% spring water. Think again. You're better off drinking tap water. It is monitored and regulated. Bottled water contains a minimum of 6 chemicals used in the processing. The "glitch"? It doesn't have to be listed as an ingredient because of a loophole that classifies it as a "processing method" and not an ingredient. Good ol' FDA, eh?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

There is NO Shame anymore...........

Reeseeva, I will tell you that I do put blame in those around my generation of the baby boomers for this one. We grew up in overly abusive households and our "ideal family" dreams were watching the Brady Bunch and how they handled life crisis. They sat all the children on the couch and talked. They did not smack them with belts and switches. Hence, I believe my generation began the trend in the complete opposite direction. "Let's sit and talk about it"...as opposed to punishment and or discipline. (Which I believe a good swat on the behind is completely appropriate when your three year old decides to stick a key in an outlet.)....unfortunately, it was carried too far in the opposite direction and we now have an era of 20-year somethings that lack self control and self discipline....because it was not taught, nor feared, to begin with. I can remember shaking all the way home from school with a D math paper knowing my mom would have to sign it. I don't think the majority of children have those fears as such anymore. (not all anyhow) There are so many excuses, diagnostic misdiagnosis to justify behaviors...etc. Parents who are too busy in the corporate world and our fast paced society, as well. (fast, faster and fastest wins)

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Ha! Here I am posting a reply to myself More on fast...faster...fastest:

Funny thing is, and I know it's completely off the subject...hubby and I went to a very well known restaraunt chain. He ordered a steak and sent it back. It was very thin and what we would call a "breakfast steak". The restaraunt manager said they changed all their places to accommodate to what the people ask for. My husband said "What's that ? A thin steak? Is everyone on diets?"....(lol) and the manager said ..."No." People want fast service. They want to order a steak dinner and have it in 8 minutes. Hence we changed the thickness.
UGHHHHHHHHHHHH. No fair. No fun. He said he would rather wait 15 mins for a nice steak then 8 min for a yukky one. See? We are just too fast for our own better outcomes.

I think all combined shows just where it started to go downhill.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I’m no expert, but I do think our culture and its various subcultures increasingly diminish sensitivity to others and critical thinking skills, and assault individuality, personal responsibility and the family unit. Long term relationships are devalued and difficult to maintain. Immediate gratification and sensory experiences are valued, while long term goals and understanding matters of life and living are disesteemed. Lying, cheating and stealing are increasingly considered an essential norm for success, and the laws of the jungle take priority over matters of principle and adaptive developmental efforts. Certainly, these and related factors contribute to a culture of narcissism and personal gain at the expense of others. It is pleasure driven and propagated by the news media as much as the entertainment media, which are increasingly the same media. The basic concepts of good management are increasingly out of the conceptual range of teenagers and young adults. There are other cultures that are as self-destructive as ours due to their own underlying problems, but our self-serving, narrow minded, self-destructive development is actively reinforced by our motivation and related beliefs, values and value judgments. Society did not make the choices for Casey, but you can certainly see our culture in Casey. I think that is a caveat worth noting.

Just my opinions,
Russell

Hell yeah! Great post, Russell!

 

[indicat]

I’m no expert, but I do think our culture and its various subcultures increasingly diminish sensitivity to others and critical thinking skills, and assault individuality, personal responsibility and the family unit. Long term relationships are devalued and difficult to maintain. Immediate gratification and sensory experiences are valued, while long term goals and understanding matters of life and living are disesteemed. Lying, cheating and stealing are increasingly considered an essential norm for success, and the laws of the jungle take priority over matters of principle and adaptive developmental efforts. Certainly, these and related factors contribute to a culture of narcissism and personal gain at the expense of others. It is pleasure driven and propagated by the news media as much as the entertainment media, which are increasingly the same media. The basic concepts of good management are increasingly out of the conceptual range of teenagers and young adults. There are other cultures that are as self-destructive as ours due to their own underlying problems, but our self-serving, narrow minded, self-destructive development is actively reinforced by our motivation and related beliefs, values and value judgments. Society did not make the choices for Casey, but you can certainly see our culture in Casey. I think that is a caveat worth noting.

Just my opinions,
Russell

:clap::clap: Thank you for your insight.

 

[Knot4u2no]

One must not overlook the environmental "toxic contributions" to society: Preservatives, chemicals, inorganic chemical residues, caffeine, nicotine, cola, radiation exposure, food preservatives, chemicals, vaccination poisons,
pesticides/insecticides, industrial pollution, mercury, lead,exhaust, cool combustion, Free-on,herbicides and pesticides, household detergents, industrial dust, auto exhaust ,air pollution, adhesives, air conditioner filters, talc and body powder, broken thermometers, cosmetics, all plastics, diuretics, fabric softeners, floor waxes/polishes, fungicides, medications, over the counter and prescribed,industrial waste, laxatives, mercurochrome,hair dyes, cigarette smoke,solvents, radiation exposure, asbestos ....we could go on and on...all of these as contributing factors. It's not just about "green" and our "ozone". It's about what is allowed to be processed and entered into our bodies by our own manufacturers.

PS. If you all think bottled water is 100% spring water. Think again. You're better off drinking tap water. It is monitored and regulated. Bottled water contains a minimum of 6 chemicals used in the processing. The "glitch"? It doesn't have to be listed as an ingredient because of a loophole that classifies it as a "processing method" and not an ingredient. Good ol' FDA, eh?

The toxic contributions to society you mention are a matter of serious concern, but they have little to do with Casey's thought processes and values, and are much more universal than our society/culture. I do not think such social problems can be blamed on the pollution of the environment, though that is a problem that needs to be addressed as rationally as crime prevention.

Russell

 

[reeseeva]

Ha! Here I am posting a reply to myself More on fast...faster...fastest:

Funny thing is, and I know it's completely off the subject...hubby and I went to a very well known restaraunt chain. He ordered a steak and sent it back. It was very thin and what we would call a "breakfast steak". The restaraunt manager said they changed all their places to accommodate to what the people ask for. My husband said "What's that ? A thin steak? Is everyone on diets?"....(lol) and the manager said ..."No." People want fast service. They want to order a steak dinner and have it in 8 minutes. Hence we changed the thickness.
UGHHHHHHHHHHHH. No fair. No fun. He said he would rather wait 15 mins for a nice steak then 8 min for a yukky one. See? We are just too fast for our own better outcomes.

I think all combined shows just where it started to go downhill.

LavandaDolce,

I enjoyed both of your posts, & it is a fast, fast, fast, world & someone right now is planning how to make it even faster! Try watching a movie circ. 1960's.....things take time, each frame of the film is deliberate in it's message. I've noticed how this acceleration of our lives plays into the neurosis of never having enough time, Instant gratification... It's too much! We're missing so many important details, never taking pause to reflect on anything. I feel we are in automation mode, never absorbing anything worthwhile.

Visiting my son in New Zealand, I felt like I was transported back in time, & had to adjust to a slower, yet soothing pace. reminiscent of my childhood in the 50's.

There is no excuse for Casey's actions, & I will never understand how she just went on with her life.

One thing I remember someone saying long ago, is " You are your enviroment"

 

[yosande]

I know this is an early-in-the-case pic, but it is so telling. CA's hand is way up on LA's thigh, much higher on the thigh than the average 20-something guy would feel comfortable with his mother doing. Boundary issues showing here. Also interesting is the "blocking" LA is doing with his hands.

Honestly, she looks like she's holding on to what's left of her family for dear life.
There are no grounds for the accusations being said about her at all.

 

[txsvicki]

I don't think our culture, fast paced lives, or technology causes anyone to be a sociopath. There's been plenty of them over the years in many different cultures and time periods. We just know more about such things and are informed thanks to our fast paced internet and news media. I would agree though that the law lets too many criminals get away with all sorts of things and they can influence their kids. Many psychopaths also have a psychopath dad, so something may be also be inherited.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't think our culture, fast paced lives, or technology causes anyone to be a sociopath. There's been plenty of them over the years in many different cultures and time periods. We just know more about such things and are informed thanks to our fast paced internet and news media. I would agree though that the law lets too many criminals get away with all sorts of things and they can influence their kids. Many psychopaths also have a psychopath dad, so something may be also be inherited.

I totally think a portion of personality disorders are genetic but I also see perfectly good parents (who teach their children morals and consequences etc.) who's children end up personality disordered as well.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Honestly, she looks like she's holding on to what's left of her family for dear life.
There are no grounds for the accusations being said about her at all.

I agree- I don't see anything sexual in what she is doing in this picture..

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

The toxic contributions to society you mention are a matter of serious concern, but they have little to do with Casey's thought processes and values, and are much more universal than our society/culture. I do not think such social problems can be blamed on the pollution of the environment, though that is a problem that needs to be addressed as rationally as crime prevention.

Russell

I absolutely agree. My point is the changes that have occured within society in general. With healthy minded folks and ill minded alike. Not too be confused with any suspicions on how or why Casey is the way she is. I believe she is a narcisstic sociopath with severe jealousy traits.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I don't think our culture, fast paced lives, or technology causes anyone to be a sociopath. There's been plenty of them over the years in many different cultures and time periods. We just know more about such things and are informed thanks to our fast paced internet and news media. I would agree though that the law lets too many criminals get away with all sorts of things and they can influence their kids. Many psychopaths also have a psychopath dad, so something may be also be inherited.

I agree. Read my response above. My post was not to reflect as in why Casey is the way she is...but in response to the original poster

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

After viewing a large portion of the 322 minutes of full conversations between Casey and her family in the jailhouse tapings...I am convinced even further that my interpretation of the dynamics of this family is exactly how I portrayed it in my view of the family "leg clutching" picture. George comes across as beyond passive...and quite honestly, he is more than coddling and cradling Casey than I imagined. As a cop, he sat and allowed Cindy to do all the talking/interviewing and asking questions. While we all know that Cindy has been in deep denial...I believe her denial has been fueled by George.

I think HE is in deeper denial than she. My guess is anytime she may have faltered on her opinions that George was right there to say "my princess Casey would not have done such. I'm a cop. I should know." when in reality....it is he that should know best. Because I believe he knew best...he allowed Cindy to take the "fall" for all the media portrayals because he is essentially a whimp. How this woman lived so long with all this stress and not have a heart attack or breakdown is beyond me. Watching Casey made me really further hope that she gets the death penalty.

Sitting in jail is not hurting her any. She admitted she would rather be there. The fact she is "steps away" from the desk and watched all the time....seemed to bring her delight? Her comments of "I wake up everyday and the first thing I do is pray I can go home" is so pathetic and sickening. Her response should have been "I wake up everyday and and the first thing I do is pray that Caylee is found".......yet, her manipulative tactics and brain works quite fast as she repeated the phrase and added "so that I can come look for Caylee". She is self centered - evil.

To view the NEW RELEASED indepth video's of conversations, click to this link and scroll down to the section that shows the tapes from July 24 - July 30th:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html

 

[yosande]

I sure would like to hear from a psychologist, or socialogist sp on the current topic with the pic, and CA. I find most of the comments beyond inappropiate and worthy of a lawsuit. jmo

 

[Whisperer]

I have a pretty good idea where kc is located in the jail. She is enjoying her place "In the Sun". She gets to hear all the gossip and all the change of shifts. She is special because she is not with the "rowdy" inmates. By now she features herself almost like one of the staff. She has men that come to visit her for hours on end, 5-6 days per week. She does not have to deal with the details of her child's death. She has no responsibility and most of all, she has structure which she has been longing for, for her entire life.

Having spent many hours with murderers, I have not seen many suffer. I have known a few that committed suicide, for the most part, they adjust quickly and do not have any problems with their new life. I had one who used to say, "Whatever you do, don't ever let me out of here". I assured him he was not going anywhere. He liked that....and we all can sleep better knowing he is there, trust me on that one.

 

[Whisperer]

I sure would like to hear from a psychologist, or socialogist sp on the current topic with the pic, and CA. I find most of the comments beyond inappropiate and worthy of a lawsuit. jmo

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I am neither, but I can tell you that I don't see anything wrong with the PIC, except I don't like anyone in it....LOL

Most young men would not like their mother's hand on their leg. Lee may have not said anything since they were on the air...so I will give him a pass on that. Cindy may have problems with boundaries. She is needy and doesn't think about how the other person feels, much like her daughter.

 

[Crafti]

Bump

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/bl...lee-a-forensic-psychologist-comments-the-case

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/10/19/2229202.php

Do we have a psychologist or psychiatrist among us? Any opinions on KC?

 

[evergreen]

I have a pretty good idea where kc is located in the jail. She is enjoying her place "In the Sun". She gets to hear all the gossip and all the change of shifts. She is special because she is not with the "rowdy" inmates. By now she features herself almost like one of the staff. She has men that come to visit her for hours on end, 5-6 days per week. She does not have to deal with the details of her child's death. She has no responsibility and most of all, she has structure which she has been longing for, for her entire life.

Having spent many hours with murderers, I have not seen many suffer. I have known a few that committed suicide, for the most part, they adjust quickly and do not have any problems with their new life. I had one who used to say, "Whatever you do, don't ever let me out of here". I assured him he was not going anywhere. He liked that....and we all can sleep better knowing he is there, trust me on that one.

Exactamundo. KC is Loving the attention she gets behind bars, especially because she gets special treatment. Doesn't have to work, doesn't have a kid, gets to read all day and visit with all the men in her life. I am quite sure that many guards will take a shine to her. In fact, she even told her parents that she is okay being in jail!

 

[Knot4u2no]

Bump

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/bl...lee-a-forensic-psychologist-comments-the-case

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/10/19/2229202.php

Do we have a psychologist or psychiatrist among us? Any opinions on KC?

The following links were previously posted in this thread. Casey’s BRACE Character Profile with an addendum was completed 9/22/08. The BRACE Character Profiles a prototypical 40-point Hare PCL-R Psychopath and a prototypical DSM-IV-TR Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7) detail the cognitive-behavioral-existential similarities and differences between these diagnostic categories, including how they correlate with the DSM-IV-TR personality disorders.

Link to Casey’s BRACE Character Profile:
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/

Link to prototypical Psychopath:
http://www.deviantcrimes.com/BRACE of 40 pt Hare PCL R.pdf

Link to prototypical Antisocial Personality Disorder:
http://www.deviantcrimes.com/BRACE Profile of DSM 301 7.pdf

Of course, these profiles are just my opinions.
Russell