Casey & Family Psychological Profile #5

[Lexington]

I have 2 sociopathic children and I've seen and heard it all before - the tears, the terror, the horror, the need - the acting.

My opinion only.

Thanks for the answer. I was just curious about why you felt this way, now I see you have a lot of experience with this sort of situation.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Those first interviews she started doing that's the first things she would say. It was all about CA grandma. "I'm tired, I haven't slept, I haven't eaten, I can't think straight" over and over on every interview and even during her interview with LE she said that. She sounds so much like her daughter, honestly...I see what KC is the way she is. She a carbon copy of her mom. As I was reading AH police reports about the check KC cashed at the bank I was thinking that the money CA took out of KC's wallet wasn't hers to take. It was most likely AH's.

I was thinking the same thing! IIRC that $250.00 check was cashed July 15th. That was ABSOLUTELY <sorry> AH money. :sick:

 

[achristmas1]

Cindy is doing what I think is her best effort at maintaining her family in the best way she can. The woman is operating on "put out the fire" instead of being able to have time to think through the repercussions of her actions. I believe that CA and KC are just audacious and not crazy - there has been no evidence of mental disturbance, just efforts to get out of a mess.

Since I do not possess audaciousness, it is difficult for me to understand how they think we will just submit to whatever they say, but in their minds, I think they are used to pushing the envelope, i.e., "let's say whatever we can to the opposite everyone else is saying and maybe there will be a middle that is not so bad."

I think that they are afraid of the future and just trying to bring plausible doubt and minimize the damage. Much of this includes just basic denial of what they hear and creating plausible (to them) stories of what they would like to have happened (hence, CA's denial on second interview of KC having a job.)

Not sure if I agree or not, never having been in the position but, I believe Caylee's death was an accident and they are doing as an elaborate clean up as they can.

Personally - I would have caved on the first interview, but that is just me.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't know about Cindy but this was fascinating. Sound like anyone we know?

http://withoutempathy.blogspot.com/2006/01/sociopaths-who-live-among-us.html

Dr. Hare is an excellent source on the subject! The people that showed interest in reading other book earlier will probably like this link.

 

[TxLady2]

i have the help find caylee on my myspace the bulletin we all got today had cindy written all over it .. heh . after i read this i was like um ok enuff .. she basically said if you make negative comments or arnt helping thier cause to bring caylee home soon you will be deleted off thier myspace friends .. wow man of all the flippen nerve .

People go to that site and make negative comments, just to harass them more... but you think the A's are being nervy by saying they will delete them off their friends list??? Are you kidding me?

 

[Brini]

Cindy is trying to play the "grieving Grandmother" but In my opinion she should be charged with obstructing justice & withholding evidence for the following reasons

I believe Cindy lied to LE about the events leading up to Casey leaving the Anthony home on June 15th

I believe Cindy lied about Casey needing the shovel to remove Bamboo June 18th

I believe Cindy lied when she told the media that the car had "No Odor" until after it was towed

I believe Cindy knowingly destroyed evidence related to Caylee's disappearance on July 15th

I believe Cindy lied under oath during the bond hearing when she said ...."after Casey graduated high school"

I believe Cindy is encouraging LE to pursue Jessie Grund as a suspect when she knows he is innocent

I believe Cindy is deliberately embellishing false sightings of Caylee

I believe Cindy is deliberately withholding additional information from LE that is vital to this case

Agree. No sympathy, here. She sings the grieving some when LE corners her.

 

[mommyto5monkeys]

Cindy is trying to play the "grieving Grandmother" but In my opinion she should be charged with obstructing justice & withholding evidence for the following reasons

I believe Cindy lied to LE about the events leading up to Casey leaving the Anthony home on June 15th

I believe Cindy lied about Casey needing the shovel to remove Bamboo June 18th

I believe Cindy lied when she told the media that the car had "No Odor" until after it was towed

I believe Cindy knowingly destroyed evidence related to Caylee's disappearance on July 15th

I believe Cindy lied under oath during the bond hearing when she said ...."after Casey graduated high school"

I believe Cindy is encouraging LE to pursue Jessie Grund as a suspect when she knows he is innocent

I believe Cindy is deliberately embellishing false sightings of Caylee

I believe Cindy is deliberately withholding additional information from LE that is vital to this case

I completely agree!

 

[OneLostGrl]

.........you said: ...cindy knows between right and wrong
IMO, Cindy makes her own rules. Do you remember when she said that telling a lie is not criminal?
She sees things in black and white that way.
She thinks if she lies to the law in a case like this it is not criminal?
She tells others her daughter is a sociopath, yet it seems to me that Cindy is a psychological liar.
Almost see her as the one with BPD.

Keep in mind that many believe personality disorders are learned behaviors.

 

[Brini]

is a true sociopath considered insane? it would seem so, but they also seem to very intelligent. At least smart enough to fake it through childhood and early adulthood, but seems like it unravels for many in their 20's. As a parent, it would take courage to admit and recognize your child is a sociopath. But i do think some parents can see that 'something is not quite right' but don't do anything about it; or don't know what to do. Or, in Cindy's case, are too self-absorbed or crazy themselves to notice (until it's too late..)?

No, sociopaths aren't insane. They are lacking. The are very immature, and cannot feel anything for anyone but themselves.

CA is a nurse. She knows what sociopathy is. Indulging and covering up is the WORST thing that one can do,.

It isn't really treatable. So, the only thing one can do is refuse to protect them, when they get into trouble. Some of them will behave to avoid jail.

SOME sociopaths are smart. Like Ted Bundy. KC isn't. The prisons are full of dumb sociopaths They tend to get caught.

 

[Brini]

I've heard the psychologists on NG asked that question, and they say "no". Sociopathy (?) is a personality disorder -

Exactly! That's why it's not treatable. It's a deficiency, not an illness There's as much evidence that it's "nature" as that it's "nurture."

Rent the old flick, "The Bad Seed." It's about a child sociopath.

 

[CHICANA]

Why Chicana, I was thinking you are. Am I wrong?

Honestly, I wouldn't know what normal is if it jumped up and bit me on the hiney, but then that's never happened so....? Everyone has issues and everyone has different ways of dealing with stress. Everyone also has different parenting styles. One family might overindulge and coddle a child (too much, in the opinion of others) and that child grows up to be a secure, independent, productive member of society. Another child raised the same way becomes a lying, thieving murderer.

When my middle son was born he had to remain in the hospital because he was sick. We were told he'd be hospitalized for at least ten days. On the second day, when we were getting ready to go visit, a nurse called and said to bring his 'going home' clothes with us. Of course we were stunned - "but he's too sick, he can't come home." The nurses response: "Well, the child is disrupting the nursery, and he's not THAT sick."

He stayed disruptive (but cute as all get out) for the next 18 years. There was nothing I could do about it although, trust me, I tried. He was just born to be a little bugger. I think Casey was born to be what she is and all the love and discipline in the world wasn't going to change that.

He sounds adorable.
Oh.. I racked my little brain again and determined that nobody can accuse me of being completely 'normal', maybe because I don't know what 'normal' is either.

 

[Brini]

Cindy maybe acting out in ways we don't like, but I still think she is greiving. This is her way of doing it I guess. I think she is trying so hard to get the public to believe her story and it simply isn't working. She is only making herself look bad. I do feel for her.. I really do. Who wants to believe that your own daughter is a killer. Who wants to believe that your daugher killed your grandchild.. Casey has told so many lies that it must be heartbreaking to her parents to hear. Everything Casey has done in the past year is now on public display. I'm sure her parents are not to happy with what is out there about their daughter. I'm sure deep in her heart she is really angry at Casey. I think she is misplacing this anger.

This whole familys life has been turned upside down all because of ONE PERSON.. THEIR DAUGHTER/SISTER who is trying her hardest to protect her own and could care less about who she is dragging into it.. :banghead:

But, they enabled her all her life. They also did not try to get custody, though they knew KC is too irresponsible to take care of a baby.

 

[zadari]

People go to that site and make negative comments, just to harass them more... but you think the A's are being nervy by saying they will delete them off their friends list??? Are you kidding me?

(did you see the entire bulletin ?actually there were 2 of them or so today) .. she isnt talking about only the ones who make negative comments . she is talking about people that do not support their cause and telling people if they have caylee sites on their myspace that are negative to delete them and that we are only to copy the info about caylee missing from thier site because its the most accurate ..however its a bulletin and i dont know if i can post it in here so i didnt .. and i think you have seen me stick up for the anthonys plenty of times .just to be flamed for it,and have my posts questioned i am not a writer and i have a hard time explaining myself or how i feel in words that is just how i am . i DO care about them esp caylee .. but cindy has no right to tell others what to do on thier myspace and threaten them with being deleted once they are added already and have done nothing to them but try to help and i have tried to help

 

[Brini]

:doh: I missed that one??? when did she say that?

I didn't know there was such a thing? so she is both a degreed RN, DN?:floorlaugh: I thought she worked in ortho? or as a case manager?

She's a supervising case manager.

Yeah! I LOVED, "I'm a decomposition nurse." I'm a nurse, too. i had NO idea decomposition was treatable! ;-)

 

[Lexington]

She's a supervising case manager.

Yeah! I LOVED, "I'm a decomposition nurse." I'm a nurse, too. i had NO idea decomposition was treatable! ;-)

In the Anthony family everything is possible. They can even bring the dead back to life.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Me too. I think it's wrong to judge a person's mental stability in such an unstabling situation. As far as enabling children, I don't think we always know that's what we're doing. They forgot to give me the instruction manual when I left the hospital at the age of 20, when my oldest was born.
I also know what it's like to have a child that lies and is incredibly manipulative. With work and bills and two other kids to take care of I missed some of the signs. I took what she told me at face value, as I wasn't a liar and therefore didn't understand how I had raised one. OMG, my kid was sneaky! She's pregnant and due to have a baby boy on her 18th birthday which is the last thing I wanted for my first born who is, despite her flaws, very intelligent. I love little boys but I tease my daughter that she DESERVES a girl.

Now is the time to stop taking your daughter at face value. Don't keep ignoring the signs! Don't keep excusing her manipulation of you. Make sure she is held responsible for her choices and the outcome of those choices from this day forward. When that baby comes, make her be that baby's mother! Don't babysit every weekend so she can "go be a teenager"- she isn't a "teenager" anymore- she made a choice (to have sex and to have a child) and she is now a mother. Deal with it! I imagine you had to, right?

Choices, consequences.

Someone has to love them enough to let 'em go, to step back and start letting them live their life by themself. They don't need momma to do it anymore. We need to learn how to clean up our own messes, be held accountable, it's character and self-esteem building. It's helps us to grow, to learn, to feel good about ourselves. We learn that life is hard but we make it through and that's helps to build a person!

Granted, your children may be mad at you or might not want to be your buddy but you are contributing to his/her healthy personality. The phrase "This is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you" is sometimes true. Sometimes we have to leave our children in bad situations, regardless of how much it hurts to do so, so they can bail themselves out and learn from it.

Now that you noticed these behaviors, do not look away from them, do not allow yourself to ignore them (I promise you will be tempted to) because they could worsen after the birth, mainly the manipulation if you allow the behaviors to continue.

I wish you much luck! :blowkiss:

 

[kajohn]

My mom has Borderline Personality Disorder and I can tell you that the DSM-V criteria is a very small description and does not nearly give the depth & complexity of the disorder, nor does it show the physchological impact on family members who have lived with a person with BPD. My mom is very low functioning, she has never had a job or learned how to drive. She abandoned her children with no contact for years. Personally I don't think that Casey Anthony has BPD, I would be more apt to lean towards Casey being a psychopath.

My mom though, like Casey is a liar extradorinaire. This isn't the run of the mill lying that most people have come up against every now and then. This is lying of a totally different caliber. When you deal with a person on a day to day basis that lies, it is very wearing. You cannot get them to tell the truth. Sometimes when I am up to playing the game, I will call her on her a lie just to aggravate her, but most of the time I just let it go, it is a no win situation.

You read the transcript where Yuri is interviewing Casey and you can see there is no fear, no embarassment, no humiliation. You cannot use ordinary methods to get them to tell the truth. Yuri is intelligent and experienced, but even if that interview had lasted for 24 hours, Casey would be able to keep up the lies longer than Yuri could the interview. So, one could well understand Cindy knowing perfectly well the past few years that Casey has
been lying about this or that and not up to the impossible struggle of getting the truth.

I find the relationship between Cindy and Casey morbidly fascinating.
But, I just can't seem to get a grasp on Cindy. In the 911 calls she seem to display authentic panic & pain over Caylee, and also able to call a spade a spade went it came to Casey. But then came the turn and I cannot figure that out.

However, I have been wondering if some of the lies, coverups, etc. have more to do with George than Casey. Someone would be hard pressed to convince me that any man could remember what a little girl was wearing 30 days ago with such detail. My husband wouldn't even be able to remember what our daughter was wearing today. Which leads me to believe he wasn't even home that morning. Granted George mows the lawn, takes
care of the cars, etc. But still it appears he has been the absent father/husband emotionally, I wouldn't be suprised if Cindy had discovered some infidelity on George's part during all this and he is bound to her for the time being out of guilt.

Casey is almost easier to figure out than Cindy.

 

[RR0004]

I did live in a family like that (two borderline personality family members). One thing they cannot get enough of is drama. They create and thrive on drama like someone dying of thirst needs water. I would imagine Casey's request to privately search for Caylee is driven by a need for more headlines. Why do you think Cindy runs out in the yard to fight with the protesters....drama!

My BPD mother referred to her husband of 55 years as "the corpse" five minutes after he had passed away. Love? Nope. They cannot love. She resented the attention his death was drawing. It had to be about HER. Caylee's plight had to be ABOUT HER. :banghead:

Borderline Personality disorder is just that...a personality disorder. They are not insane but they can make you feel like you are insane as you try to unravel their lies and manipulations. Black is white, up is down and you will always end up feeling like the bad guy.

Unfortunately, you have to make the decision...family member or no family member...it's either you or them...cause they'll take you down given half the chance. The best thing (mental health wise) is to walk away.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have a female relative who is a narcissistic control freak with a severe personality disorder and her house is spotless, she speaks 3 languages and owns her own very successful business and has been married for 40 years. Just because Cindy appears normal at the surface is no indication of what is going on behind closed doors. I think Cindy rules the roost in that house and all her actions seem to indicate her doing whatever it takes to keep that power.

I disagree. I think that's how it probably was when Casey and Lee were children..

but I think that house is run on Casey's moods, her attitudes. I think everyone lets a lot of things slide because they dont want to have to "deal with" her . I think the house can be perfectly calm and Casey can come in and change that in a second flat. I think Casey manipulates her mother to the point of causing an almost fear in her.

 

[RR0004]

(did you see the entire bulletin ?actually there were 2 of them or so today) .. she isnt talking about only the ones who make negative comments . she is talking about people that do not support their cause and telling people if they have caylee sites on their myspace that are negative to delete them and that we are only to copy the info about caylee missing from thier site because its the most accurate ..however its a bulletin and i dont know if i can post it in here so i didnt .. and i think you have seen me stick up for the anthonys plenty of times .just to be flamed for it,and have my posts questioned i am not a writer and i have a hard time explaining myself or how i feel in words that is just how i am . i DO care about them esp caylee .. but cindy has no right to tell others what to do on thier myspace and threaten them with being deleted once they are added already and have done nothing to them but try to help and i have tried to help

I think you said that perfectly!