Casey & Family Psychological Profile #5

[Brini]

Because a sociopath doesn't just show up one day. It's an ongoing process that takes years before you realize what is happening. Often those from the outside can clearly see it but living in it is different. It is made even more difficult if it is someone that you love and care about.

I don't think KC's actions are Cindy's fault or George's fault. How do you know that CA changed her story "to obscure timelines"? This is what you believe and you have every right to that belief but people also get confused, scared and forgetful. You believe it was Cindy's intent to confuse LE but I am not so sure.

As to not demanding to see the baby for over a month, I don't think Cindy ever dreamed that KC would intentionally harm the baby until July 15 when she made that 3rd call to police. Not all sociopaths are criminals.

I don't think KC's actions are GA and CA's fault, either. But, I don't think GA and CA are victims. They are enablers.

CA knew that KC was a sociopath. She told Ryan to "stay away from KC. She's a sociopath." But, it's OK for KC to have the baby?

She posted complaints about KC's crimes and lies, on her MySpace. She knew KC had alienated the extended family. But, per CA's words on her MySpace, she "continued to give KC chance after chance after chance."

That doesn't work with sociopaths. Nurses are taught that.

That CA changed her story with LA isn't my idea. LE confronted her about it, on vid.

If they could mobilize to demand the return of the car, why didn't they even ONCE demand to see the baby? The car would seem to be a good deal more important.

Or, better yet, mobilize to make some behavioral demands years ago, instead of just complaining on the Net.

Judge Mathis says the only way to modify a criminal's behavior is to NOT help them when they get into trouble. Confront every lie. Let them sit in jail, if they commit crimes. Then they will choose to behave, or not. That's why he is now a judge, instead of an inmate, per him.

If sociopaths are enabled, there is no REASON to change. There is no penalty for acting out. Then, they start feeling entitled. That's clearly the case with KC.

Sociopaths may not be able to feel normally. But quite a few of them will obey the law to stay out of jail.

Here's how this can work:

My friend's car was badly vandalized by a kid.

The kid's FATHER called the cops. After the kid got out, his dad got him a summer job digging building foundations to earn the money to pay Sven back.

No more problems with kid.

MOO

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I grew up in a "normal" family. At the age of 38 my brother decided for some unknown reason decided to turn to meth. His addiction resembles alot of a sociopaths behavior and my seeminly normal family all jumped into defensive mode. We cover or are silent about his stealing, even from us. We are defeated trying to get the truth from him so we have thrown in the towel. The rages, the lies to cover up the lies..We just couldn't keep up. At the beginning we called the police but they did nothing. Now that the crimes have become more serious, we have become silent and scared. He is small and naive and we don't believe he will survive in prison so we have all become complicit. Are we crazy? No. We are just torn between someone we love with all are hearts and the hope he will come back and the idea of him spending some serious time behind bars. It is not as easy as I always thought it would be. However, the A's should remain silent and not send LE on wild goose chases and falsley accusing others..

Unfortunately until they reach a bottom in their lifestyle there is no way to change them. I have seen interventions work, but I have also witnessed them not working but prolonging the agony.

The good thing about an intervention with a family member, if the other family members will hold up their end of it, many times they will get help within a few months. It is the ones whose family members keep loaning them money, providing a place for them to live, etc. who don't make it. They die in their addiction.

To me giving an addict ANYTHING (except food) is just driving nails into that coffin they are headed for.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I don't think KC's actions are GA and CA's fault, either. But, I don't think GA and CA are victims. They are enablers.

CA knew that KC was a sociopath. She told Ryan to "stay away from KC. She's a sociopath." But, it's OK for KC to have the baby?

She posted complaints about KC's crimes and lies, on her MySpace. She knew KC had alienated the extended family. But, per CA's words on her MySpace, she "continued to give KC chance after chance after chance."

That doesn't work with sociopaths. Nurses are taught that.

That CA changed her story with LA isn't my idea. LE confronted her about it, on vid.

If they could mobilize to demand the return of the car, why didn't they even ONCE demand to see the baby? The car would seem to be a good deal more important.

Or, better yet, mobilize to make some behavioral demands years ago, instead of just complaining on the Net.

Judge Mathis says the only way to modify a criminal's behavior is to NOT help them when they get into trouble. Confront every lie. Let them sit in jail, if they commit crimes. Then they will choose to behave, or not. That's why he is now a judge, instead of an inmate, per him.

If sociopaths are enabled, there is no REASON to change. There is no penalty for acting out. Then, they start feeling entitled. That's clearly the case with KC.

Sociopaths may not be able to feel normally. But quite a few of them will obey the law to stay out of jail.

Here's how this can work:

My friend's car was badly vandalized by a kid.

The kid's FATHER called the cops. After the kid got out, his dad got him a summer job digging building foundations to earn the money to pay Sven back.

No more problems with kid.

MOO

One of mine went with 4 other boys and "borrowed" a four-wheeler to ride in the snow. They got caught a few days later. We had a meeting with the owners (victims)

The other three parents wrote a check to the man and paid their sons out of it. I refused. I told them if they needed to put mine in jail, so be it, but they would get paid whether he went to jail or not, because I would make him work for it or sell his motorcycle one.

They choose not to give a 15 year old a criminal record, (for which I am grateful) and my son worked for my brother roofing his house to pay back the $600.00 he owed. (the hotter the better in my opinion)

The sad thing is all those boys except mine got into drugs later and today they are all dead. The parents over the years, kept bailing them out time after time. I asked my son one time why he did not get into drugs with them and he said "because I would have been sitting under the jail for years." I knew you would never get me out like their parents. I believe there is a lot to be said for tough love & you do have to really love kids to not want to rescue them, knowing you can. I just could not let my son not suffer his own consequences.

 

[Brini]

One of mine went with 4 other boys and "borrowed" a four-wheeler to ride in the snow. They got caught a few days later. We had a meeting with the owners (victims)

The other three parents wrote a check to the man and paid their sons out of it. I refused. I told them if they needed to put mine in jail, so be it, but they would get paid whether he went to jail or not, because I would make him work for it or sell his motorcycle one.

They choose not to give a 15 year old a criminal record, (for which I am grateful) and my son worked for my brother roofing his house to pay back the $600.00 he owed. (the hotter the better in my opinion)

The sad thing is all those boys except mine got into drugs later and today they are all dead. The parents over the years, kept bailing them out time after time. I asked my son one time why he did not get into drugs with them and he said "because I would have been sitting under the jail for years." I knew you would never get me out like their parents. I believe there is a lot to be said for tough love & you do have to really love kids to not want to rescue them, knowing you can. I just could not let my son not suffer his own consequences.

Good on YOU! Your son will never stop being proud of you, for that! (If he's old enough to have the sense).-)

Judge Mathis said he was jailed five times. Drugs, theft, gangs.

His Mom threw him out, and posted a sign on the house that said, "No Thugs Allowed." She did not give him money. She did not give him food. She let him sit in jail.

Within a year of his last arrest, he was got his GED, and got into college on scholarship. He ended up the youngest judge ever to be appointed to a Michigan bench.

And, he brags about his great Mom (now deceased) ALLL the time!

 

[Janis396]

Good on YOU! Your son will never stop being proud of you, for that! (If he's old enough to have the sense).-)

Judge Mathis said he was jailed five times. Drugs, theft, gangs.

His Mom threw him out, and posted a sign on the house that said, "No Thugs Allowed." She did not give him money. She did not give him food. She let him sit in jail.

Within a year of his last arrest, he was got his GED, and got into college on scholarship. He ended up the youngest judge ever to be appointed to a Michigan bench.

And, he brags about his great Mom (now deceased) ALLL the time!

The hardest thing that a parent has to do, which is to make their child face the consequences of their own actions instead of fixing it or protecting them from it, ends up being the best thing they could ever do for the child in the long run.

 

[Brini]

Analyzing the situation it seems as if Cindy knew what Caylee was "all about" and yet was afraid, for some reason, to get tough with her.

She wasn't afraid to get tough when the car got towed.

For whatever reason, it looks like KC was allowed to et away with anything she wanted for years. That's also what Rick said.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

While I don't understand this thread being here, my thoughts are that the whole family has issues. Mental illness? No. There is nothing to indicate there is mental illness. CA was a Registered Nurse who was gainfully employed in that capacity for many years.

 

[Pink Panther]

While I don't understand this thread being here, my thoughts are that the whole family has issues. Mental illness? No. There is nothing to indicate there is mental illness. CA was a Registered Nurse who was gainfully employed in that capacity for many years.

Let alone the "mental illness" part that seems to absolve all guilty party's of wrong - doing... Let's get real here. The whole family of 4 (and only 4 because NO ONE else that is part of this hereditary unit has come forward) all have a pronounced sense of entitlement, arrogance, relaxed attitudes toward lying and a complete lack of emotion that demonstrates personality disorders all round. I don't think that a single one of them is exempt.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I could not agree more, Pink. It is behavioral and not considered mental illness. They all have issues. They all know right from wrong...including Casey.

 

[Leila]

I don't think Cindy has a mental illness, but she does have a lot of issues that are difficult to understand, and may be due to some sort of personality disorder.

Over the years, we've witnessed many missing children cases - Shasta Groene, Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klaas, Danielle Van Dam to name a few - and in each of these cases we've seen the grieving parents, grandparents, and family. Their reactions have been normal and expected, choking back tears to plead for the safe return of their missing child. Even with Susan Smith, she played the role of a grieving mother until confessing to the deliberate drowing of her two young boys.

In this case, Cindy's reactions have been far from what we've come to expect from a grieving parent/grandparent.

Cindy has never, from day one, cried and asked for Caylee's safe return. She's been controlling and confrontational, expressing anger rather than grief. She's blamed LE for not doing more to find her kidnapped granddaughter, and denied any possibility that Caylee is dead. Cindy's controlling nature has been exhibited in her attempts to steer the course of LE investigation away from her daughter's involvement, and obtructing the investigation.

Cindy's motives are crystal clear, a kidnapped Caylee exonerates her daughter, Casey - a dead Caylee convicts Casey.

It should be equally clear to Cindy that the public sees through her attempts to cover for her daughter. Those angry protesters in front of her house day and night were there because of Cindy's public statements. People are angry and reacting to what Cindy says.

Yet, Cindy remains obstinate and continues to cover for Casey in the face of all logic.

We all want to see Caylee found, given a decent burial, and justice served. For some weeks now I've thought of how Cindy will react if Caylee's remains are found. Based on her behavior since the beginning, I fear that Cindy will not accept that the remains found are Caylee's. She may refuse to claim the remains and give Caylee a decent burial, saying that Caylee is still missing and kidnapped.

As sad as it sounds, I don't think Cindy is going to come to grips with the reality of the situation. In the long run, Cindy will be alone, as this may tear her family apart. She has lost Caylee, will lose Casey to prison, and may lose George and Lee too.

 

[Pink Panther]

No. CINDY does not have a mental illness. She has a terrible (horrible) personality disorder that makes her lie, cheat and stand up proud and full of entitlement in the face of her circumstances. Most normal people would say that she is f%ked up...The law and medical practice calls it a "personality disorder"... the law forgives "mental illness". I don't. So I'll stick with personality disorder. Ok. I think that she has that.

MOO

 

[txsvicki]

No way...George displays the classic hen-pecked husband traits. Notice who always does the talking when they are together in front of the media or the crazy protestors. George was also the one who filed or divorce a few years ago. Cindy wears the pants in that family. Casey got her lying and manipulation traits from Cindy.

I'm just going by the fact that George was in LE and is a man, BUT he didn't call LE, he didn't look in the trunk, he went on to work even though there was decomp smell in the vehicle, and he didn't use his experience to follow Casey. Also, some of the answers he gives to LE are very strange. He seems to try and use excuses for his lack of action by blaming it on living with three women. He included Caylee in that! George says Cindy "sent" him on to work the day they recovered the car. George seems to be making lots of excuses for himself when interviewed by LE. Now, I read that he was defendant saying Cindy hit him. Something's not right with all this, IMO.

 

[Tuba]

Permissiveness, passivity, enabling, yes. But I don't think that CA or GA valued the Pontiac above their granddaughter which some see as demonstrated by the 911 call. I think the notice that arrived at their door forced them out of their non-involvement or the car, for instance sitting at Amscot, would have remained there. After all, the car was given to Lee and then to Casey. I think the parents and Lee too, felt impotent to correct a very suspicious situation, the long absence of Caylee and Casey and Casey's stalls when pressed. Casey was acting in a manner that was vile and vicious toward Geo. June 24, eg. How long had that behavior been tolerated! She really was out of control. I have not seen any account of when she began to treat people this way. Jesse hints at an approximate time. I feel a need to look at the roots of the ugliness. Maybe if Cindy had taken legal action at the first theft.

 

[Pink Panther]

I'm just going by the fact that George was in LE and is a man, BUT he didn't call LE, he didn't look in the trunk, he went on to work even though there was decomp smell in the vehicle, and he didn't use his experience to follow Casey. Also, some of the answers he gives to LE are very strange. He seems to try and use excuses for his lack of action by blaming it on living with three women. He included Caylee in that! George says Cindy "sent" him on to work the day they recovered the car. George seems to be making lots of excuses for himself when interviewed by LE. Now, I read that he was defendant saying Cindy hit him. Something's not right with all this, IMO.

Maybe he's not really a "man"?

MOO

 

[Gaia713]

Cindy has an OBSESSIVE need to control EVERYTHING imo. That's not a mental illness.

 

[Black Magic Woman]

Lets face it, she's a sick puppy.

 

[Brini]

Let alone the "mental illness" part that seems to absolve all guilty party's of wrong - doing... Let's get real here. The whole family of 4 (and only 4 because NO ONE else that is part of this hereditary unit has come forward) all have a pronounced sense of entitlement, arrogance, relaxed attitudes toward lying and a complete lack of emotion that demonstrates personality disorders all round. I don't think that a single one of them is exempt.

Yep, that says it!

 

[Theonly1]

Ted Bundy and Ken Bianchi were adopted. There bio moms were street hookers. They may have used drugs. They may have been ruined before birth.

MOO

Hey Brini,

I don't think Bundy was adopted. He was illegitimate since his mother was not married to his father (and did not marry his father). His mother was not known to be a hooker or use drugs. He had an abusive grandfather but that is all that is really known, I think.

T

 

[txsvicki]

Maybe he's not really a "man"?

MOO

I'm not saying that he's not a real man, but he's portrayed himself to LE as being influenced by the women even though he acted like most men would react to protestors and media. Casey was probably using the cussing as a smoke screen to start an argument and push George's buttons about the gas cans, but there's no way that I believe he wouldn't have gotten irate and got in her face nudging her aside to see what she had in that trunk besides the bolted down wedge. For all he knew, she might have stolen his tools and was going to hock them.

 

[BetsyB]

Originally Posted by Brini View Post
Ted Bundy and Ken Bianchi were adopted. There bio moms were street hookers. They may have used drugs. They may have been ruined before birth

Ted Bundy was not adopted. He was raised in the home with his bio mother, who he knew as his sister. When he was growing up, he believed his grandmother to be his mother, and her husband to be his stepfather.