Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

[Whisperer]

Is casey housed in the psych unit at the jail? With a full plexiglass wall, it makes me wonder.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Is casey housed in the psych unit at the jail? With a full plexiglass wall, it makes me wonder.

We talked about this some in the jail thread awhile back.. they do use those for psych holds but not exclusively. She was being held there for safety reasons because of the publicity surrounding the case.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hi songline-
The Florida (Orange County) jail does not allow anyone to bring in a computer but an attorney. Remember there was the big thing about it because they were trying to prevent even the lawyers from bringing them in and JB filed a big motion against them about it and in the end, he was successful with that one? George cannot take in a computer even if he wants to.

Just thought I'd share.

Thanks for this-:blowkiss: it made me re-read what I'd wrote and realized how harsh I was in my response.. I deleted my post.. I am sorry, songline.

 

[Whisperer]

Thanks OLG.

 

[Whisperer]

OLG...you made a brief remark that you had your "eye on Lee for the moment"...apparently LE did too...they wired up TL and had him tape him....had to have a good reason for that!!!

 

[Whisperer]

Can anyone tell me what has happened to the visitor's log?....haven't seen one since December....would like to know who is with her these days...like outside psychs or new defense attorneys or if JB is still there almost daily.

 

[seagull65]

I think he is right actually. She obviously has something missing, be it mental (if you look at it scientifically or biologically) or spiritual (if you wanna be metaphysical)


...I think we all know she did it, and the loss of Lenamon for The Team and Nejame for the As actually goes a ways in verifying it, dont you guys think?

But, then, it doesnt take much to hear fake nanny, 31 days, decomp in car, duct tape on skull found 15 houses away to realise what must have happened. I want her to have a fair trial too cause we all deserve one but that doesnt mean she will walk or her attorneys think she should.

Kind of along the same lines, well maybe the flip-side a little, I'm not convinced KC is the one who harmed Caylee, but I do think she exhibits confused thinking, whether full-blown delusional thinking or confusion/delirium of some kind, some kind of reaction to a trauma, or just a cognitive problem, whatever it is and whatever the cause. I don't see any evidence of low intelligence, which is often cited here, i.e. she put Caylee's body so near her home and with all these items of evidence that point to herself or to her family home because she's that dumb, etc. I don't think she's of low intelligence or naiive about crime scenes, etc.
I could imagine despite her bizarre and apparently completely uncharacteristic affect and responses to the situation, and peculiar statements full of false and skewed information that would be found out immediately, Baez doesn't want to pursue a mental health defense because it connotes guilt and he doesn't think she was the perpetrator, but maybe Lenamon did want to pursue a mental health defense simply because he thought mental illness was apparent and that it's the best or possibly only defense he could think of for her due to her inability or unwillingness to provide information. He could be of the mindset that if she's mentally ill she may be responsible for the crime but not remember it.

I do worry, like some of the other posters who've mentioned it, that she may not fully realize what she's up against or the situation at hand. I also worry that she may not have had in-depth enough medical tests to determine her state of health/mental health and possible causes for her strange affect and statements, etc.

 

[eddeva]

Kind of along the same lines, although I'm not convinced KC is the one who harmed Caylee, I do think she exhibits confused thinking, whether full-blown delusional thinking or confusion/delirium of some kind, some kind of reaction to a trauma, or just a cognitive problem, whatever it is and whatever the cause.
I could imagine despite her bizarre affect and responses to the situation and bizarre statements, Baez doesn't want to pursue a mental health defense because it implies guilt and he doesn't think she was the perpetrator, but maybe Lenamon did want to pursue a mental health defense simply because he thought mental illness was apparent, he could even be of the mindset that if she's mentally ill she may be responsible for the crime but not remember it.

that's possible, but i'm troubled as to why she wouldn't, finding her daughter had disappeared, question her actions during the periods of time, or multiple periods of time that would be missing from her life. if she didn't know she had killed caylee then she'd have to have forgotten the killing, putting the body in the trunk, driving around w/ the smell of decomp and a body in the trunk, triple bagging the body, discarding the body at the local dump site.
for me that's an awful lot of missing time to not notice and connect the dots, but i've never suffered any kind of black out so i'm hardly an expert.

 

[SoSueMe]

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Nobody is going to make an exception for Casey Anthony because her mom is a lying, drama craving lunatic and her father is a lying, stealing, lazy lunatic. The system doesn't work that way. thank G0d!

Ah, but I think they may do just that in the penalty phase of the trial. Just look at the comparison in the angry pictures of KC and CA side by side. I believe IllinoisMom has it in her avatar. The jurors in the Susan Smith case gave her LWOP rather than death because of her upbringing and molestation. I think KC's DP lawyer was trying to save her life with a NGBRI defense. Although IMO it would not fly for the trial, it may carry weight in her sentencing.

As an aside, someone mentioned that the prison that would house KC is not air conditioned. To me, that would be unbearable in the Florida heat, so I'd just say, shoot me now! :bang:

 

[songline]

Verité;[/B]3765839]This doesn't say the reverse, i.e. that because the defendant committed the crime she is insane.


Who am I to argue with what is ultimately judicial discretion regarding disposition of a defendant in a NGBRI case?



I'm mind-boggled about why meanings are being turned topsy-turvey on this thread, so I'll say good night.[QUOTE]
Reply to bold part...
Or why part of a quote is pulled out of the entire thought which re aranges the psot.
My recommendation my friend is that you ignore and avoid. there is no point in going on about that.
Keep on keeping on....There are many beautiful spirits here too. :blowkiss::blowkiss:
I certainly am here only for the case. let them be.

 

[songline]

Hi songline-
The Florida (Orange County) jail does not allow anyone to bring in a computer but an attorney. Remember there was the big thing about it because they were trying to prevent even the lawyers from bringing them in and JB filed a big motion against them about it and in the end, he was successful with that one? George cannot take in a computer even if he wants to.

Just thought I'd share.

Thanks Magic....The essence of the point I was making is more about how can someone like JB be the main attorney in a case with such heavy dynamics? And why is it her father cant have a talk with her. It is not really about a computer, but now I know that you cant bring one in.
Thank God I know very little about Jail and its rules.

 

[songline]

Kind of along the same lines, well maybe the flip-side a little, I'm not convinced KC is the one who harmed Caylee, but I do think she exhibits confused thinking, whether full-blown delusional thinking or confusion/delirium of some kind, some kind of reaction to a trauma, or just a cognitive problem, whatever it is and whatever the cause. I don't see any evidence of low intelligence, which is often cited here, i.e. she put Caylee's body so near her home and with all these items of evidence that point to herself or to her family home because she's that dumb, etc. I don't think she's of low intelligence or naiive about crime scenes, etc.
I could imagine despite her bizarre and apparently completely uncharacteristic affect and responses to the situation, and peculiar statements full of false and skewed information that would be found out immediately, Baez doesn't want to pursue a mental health defense because it connotes guilt and he doesn't think she was the perpetrator, but maybe Lenamon did want to pursue a mental health defense simply because he thought mental illness was apparent and that it's the best or possibly only defense he could think of for her due to her inability or unwillingness to provide information. He could be of the mindset that if she's mentally ill she may be responsible for the crime but not remember it.

I do worry, like some of the other posters who've mentioned it, that she may not fully realize what she's up against or the situation at hand. I also worry that she may not have had in-depth enough medical tests to determine her state of health/mental health and possible causes for her strange affect and statements, etc.

Thank you seagull65 - you are one who IS looking at more then just what the eye can see. Thank you :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
She is only 22 and I think also that until we know we don't know. so I am looking.....too.
At the end if it is KC let her stay in jail.
But WHT IF it is not - What IF the perp is still out there?

 

[countzero]

Thank you seagull65 - you are one who IS looking at more then just what the eye can see. Thank you :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
She is only 22 and I think also that until we know we don't know. so I am looking.....too.
At the end if it is KC let her stay in jail.
But WHT IF it is not - What IF the perp is still out there?

Living on Hopespring Dr by the way.

 

[songline]

Is Casey housed in the psych unit at the jail? With a full plexiglass wall, it makes me wonder.

I do not think so. not sure. She insists she is not insane.
And she obviously does not realize that she is has some disorder.
How could she. she lives in a house where strange is the norm.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I know I am not part of the conversation that was going on earlier, but I just wanted to throw in a thought, maybe two. I know that I have already made my mind up about certain things in this case, I am pretty sure that Casey did commit this murder and have been for a LOOOONG time ! Now there are other aspects I question, did she spend the night of the 15th at home ? Did George really see her and Caylee on the 16th ? You get the drift. This is a forum where we come to talk and sometimes dispute this case. I recognize that some posters have decided less than I have at this point in time. If any of us were on the jury, I would agree that having an open mind is essential...but, this is not the case. This is a forum where we talk about the death of Caylee, and so if I have my mind made up in certain areas...is that wrong, because we are just talking about this case, not deciding guilt or innocence. For me to suggest that ANY poster is better than another based on their "open mindedness" about this case, IMO, is WRONG ! I also think that even going there is way too personal.

 

[Brini]

I know I am not part of the conversation that was going on earlier, but I just wanted to throw in a thought, maybe two. I know that I have already made my mind up about certain things in this case, I am pretty sure that Casey did commit this murder and have been for a LOOOONG time ! Now there are other aspects I question, did she spend the night of the 15th at home ? Did George really see her and Caylee on the 16th ? You get the drift. This is a forum where we come to talk and sometimes dispute this case. I recognize that some posters have decided less than I have at this point in time. If any of us were on the jury, I would agree that having an open mind is essential...but, this is not the case. This is a forum where we talk about the death of Caylee, and so if I have my mind made up in certain areas...is that wrong, because we are just talking about this case, not deciding guilt or innocence. For me to suggest that ANY poster is better than another based on their "open mindedness" about this case, IMO, is WRONG ! I also think that even going there is way too personal.

No poster is better than another.

Some people make up their minds based on the evidence. LE does that.

Some people like to speculate based on what might be possible-- irrespective of the evidence.

Neither approach is better, because we are not empowered to do anything about the case.

Both are part of the fun.

Some go by Occam's razor. Some prefer to use their imaginations.

There's room for both.

I imagine that once the case plays out, almost all of us will change our minds about one factor or another-- some a little, some a lot.

 

[Verité]

Yours is the attitude necessary for what is called "sleuthing" (i.e. depth investigation and scrutiny whether by LE, mental health, or lay examiners).
(It is also called "keeping an open mind.") This is in contrast to what is known as "confirmatory bias," i.e. an overly-subjective judgment where all incoming
information is screened-out and rejected if it doesn't conform to the original judgment which has become rigid and inflexible over time, and tenaciously
held with an over-determined (excessive) level of emotion.

I added bolding above 4 anyone who missed my discussion of attitudes essential for investigators, whether private, LE, mental health, or lay
examiners, i.e. jury members who are screened on the basis of what is known as "confirmatory bias."

I do believe I communicate with clarity, so I won't continue to re-explain my reasonably simple posts. If you feel offended, just scroll on by with my
good-faith Blessings. rayer:rayer:


Disclaimer
I can't assume responsibility for those who choose to personalize the above and then feel offended that it is I who has singled them out.

 

[Brini]

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a discussion which doesn't involve me (apologies songline; apologies eddeva), let me just offer my subjective guess:

Whether prosecution or defense, if I had a suspect likely to spill the beans about any number of potentially hidden issues, I wouldn't want her in
general population where she's likely to ventilate to other inmates, or possibly be harmed by them after she's divulged, or ???? who knows what!

Have you a theory re: What the courts fear that she will divulge? Or, LE, or corrections?

 

[Brini]

I added bolding above 4 anyone who missed my discussion of attitudes essential for investigators, whether private, LE, mental health, or lay
examiners, i.e. jury members who are screened on the basis of what is known as "confirmatory bias."

I do believe I communicate with clarity, so I won't continue to re-explain my reasonably simple posts. If you feel offended, just scroll on by with my
good-faith Blessings. rayer:rayer:


Disclaimer
I can't assume responsibility for those who choose to personalize the above and then feel offended that it is I who has singled them out.

Yes! That is the wonderful and necessary power of vior dire.

And some, for instance I, would admit to a bias during voir dire.

One doesn't really WANT a jury that is already too familiar with the evidence.

One wants a jury that is fresh and uninformed as can be managed.

 

[Verité]

Have you a theory re: What the courts fear that she will divulge? Or, LE, or corrections?

No, my dear, I was just trying to re-interpret for someone else & I didn't do that very effectively.

I've got my hands full trying to re-interpret myself! LOL:blowkiss: