Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

[OneLostGrl]

Ah, but I think they may do just that in the penalty phase of the trial. Just look at the comparison in the angry pictures of KC and CA side by side. I believe IllinoisMom has it in her avatar. The jurors in the Susan Smith case gave her LWOP rather than death because of her upbringing and molestation. I think KC's DP lawyer was trying to save her life with a NGBRI defense. Although IMO it would not fly for the trial, it may carry weight in her sentencing.

As an aside, someone mentioned that the prison that would house KC is not air conditioned. To me, that would be unbearable in the Florida heat, so I'd just say, shoot me now! :bang:

I hope that IS the case- I'm not too fond of the death penalty no matter the situation and don't feel a case like this should be one that's given death as a punishment. IMO if it must be used it should be for cases of people who have been found guilty of murdering LE. (LOL- I have come a long way, I used to be all for the DP, "fry 'em all" was my thinking- it's kinda weird "hearing" myself take this stance on the DP).

One thing that is important to keep in mind when you compare Susan Smith with Casey Anthony.. when you want to tell yourself that, like Susan, Casey's upbringing will "help" her when it comes time for sentencing. Susan had a mother who, for years, allowed her own husband to continue to molest her child by ignoring[/I, denying and blaming Susan for her molestation. She also had a documented history of mental health issues that went all the way back to childhood... suicide attempts and all! Not to mention the fact that Susan eventually admitted what she'd done- THAT goes a long way when a jury is deciding ones fate. All of the above was considered when deciding Susan's fate. IMO The two women cannot even be compared.

I'm not denying the (what I consider to be obvious) issues between Casey and Cindy. Cindy is a sick woman and Casey a damaged soul but IMO that strained mother/daughter relationship isn't going to be what keeps Casey alive if convicted. If the death penalty were that easy to avoid half the people on death row would have been sentenced to life in prison or whatever instead.

<----- Not directed toward you but the thread itself-.....
I'm not trying to be argumentative or "right" here.. just sharing the facts about mental illness, sanity, "insanity" and the law.. what's taken into consideration and what isn't. Not what I WISH was taken into consideration, or what I think SHOULD be taken into consideration.. or what I think the laws should be. but what IS. I'm certainly not forcing anyone to believe what I say but I speak the truth.. and will continue to do so. These laws effect millions of mentally ill americans.. each of us has the right to know (and IMO should have the want to know) what about our illnesses can and will be taken into consideration by the criminal justice system should we ever find ourselves in such a situation. It called spreading awareness.

and here is my contribution of truth for the day.. in regard to Verite&#769;'s misleading post quoting "The Florida Supreme Court in their 9-28-06 Jury Instructions stipulate to the Jury:
"If your verdict is that the defendant is not guilty by reason of insanity because insane, that does not necessarily mean [he] [she] will be released
from custody. I must conduct further proceedings to determine if the defendant should be committed to a mental hospital, or given other outpatient treatment."

I am mind-boggled about why the meaning of this document was turned "topsy-turvey" and the most important and relative parts were left out. Such as...

"....Upon consideration of the Committee’s proposed amendments and the comments filed, we hereby authorize the publication and use of the instructions at issue as submitted by the Committee, with minor modifications, and as set forth in the appendix attached to this opinion.
In doing so, we express no opinion on the correctness of these instructions and remind all interested parties that this authorization forecloses neither requesting additional or alternative instructions nor contesting the legal correctness of these instructions. We further caution all interested parties that the comments associated with the instructions reflect only the opinion of the Committee and are not necessarily indicative of the views of this Court as to their correctness or applicability."

Here is the document if anyone is interested in what is actually said.

http://www.floridalawweekly.com/forms/sc05-1622.pdf

 

[OneLostGrl]

I know I am not part of the conversation that was going on earlier, but I just wanted to throw in a thought, maybe two. I know that I have already made my mind up about certain things in this case, I am pretty sure that Casey did commit this murder and have been for a LOOOONG time ! Now there are other aspects I question, did she spend the night of the 15th at home ? Did George really see her and Caylee on the 16th ? You get the drift. This is a forum where we come to talk and sometimes dispute this case. I recognize that some posters have decided less than I have at this point in time. If any of us were on the jury, I would agree that having an open mind is essential...but, this is not the case. This is a forum where we talk about the death of Caylee, and so if I have my mind made up in certain areas...is that wrong, because we are just talking about this case, not deciding guilt or innocence. For me to suggest that ANY poster is better than another based on their "open mindedness" about this case, IMO, is WRONG ! I also think that even going there is way too personal.

ohh how I agree. Especially when the people accusing others of closed mindedness are just as set in their own opinion as the other is of theirs. The issue isn't that I don't have an open mind, it's that I don't see things their way. We have different opinions but each has a definite opinion. Being open minded here would mean one is willing to accept other ideas... that is not the case when you argue the same opinion over and over again, that is not the case when ones opinion has remained the same, unchanged regardless of the evidence that has been presented proving otherwise.. regardless of their own finger pointing for others being "closed minded".

It's cute almost, the attempted blame shifting

Long day ahead, seeya this afternoon! :blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

No, my dear, I was just trying to re-interpret for someone else & I didn't do that very effectively.

I've got my hands full trying to re-interpret myself! LOL:blowkiss:

Yeah. I've got the same problem, honey. :blowkiss:

 

[Verité]

Yeah. I've got the same problem, honey. :blowkiss:

But you are well-meaning, and that's appreciated! :star1:

 

[Brini]

But you are well-meaning, and that's appreciated! :star1:

Thanks, honey!

 

[Verité]

I am mind-boggled about why the meaning of this document was turned "topsy-turvey" and the most important and relative parts were left out.

OLG, thanks for adding to that post. I have no one-upsmanship issue with
you and respect you as a valued member of this forum whose posts I've
"thanked" from time to time. You obviously give a lot of time and thought
to the issues of this case, and that I respect tremendously. Truce?:blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

Just a BTW--

I'm not terribly opposed to the DP. I would certainly championed it for Bundy.

But, I want it made impossible for KC to ever have another child (I know. Prisoners DO get knocked up).

I would also champion a penalty that would stop her from thieving from the vulnerable.

So, DP, life w/o parole, or stewing until she's too old to do much harm would be fine with me.

 

[Whisperer]

Regarding sentencing and a insanity plea or mitigating factor. States vary in their laws about this regarding two types of sentencing and how they are dispensed:

1. NGI....Not guilty by reason of insanity. Convicted inmates are sent to State Hospitals and placed on wards with custody overtones and are segrated from the rest of institution if crime was heinous. If any point in the convicted inmates time he is declared SANE, he is released from custody; he is free.

2. GBI....Guilty but insane. This sentencing required a convicted inmate to go to mental institution/state hospital or one for criminally insane. If at any point he/she is declared SANE, they go to prison to serve the rest of their term.

IRRC, these two types of offers were only given on plea deals. Laws may have changed.

I have not followed this in cases as of late but the last I heard many States were opting for the GBI penalty to replace the NGI.

 

[Brini]

:clap::clap::clap:

I think these questions ARE IMPORTANT !!!

you KNOW WHY>>>>>>>>>>> ?????

because .... ole shinny JB is going to say.....

the Baby Daddy.... might have done it.....:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

E T C ! ! ! !! = Just to cause


Cause...... that is what it is about....

for JB = " D O U B T ! ? ? ? "

KC is :dance::liar: with out a DOUBT ! ! ! !

Pray that the TRUTH & EVIDENCE will PROVE = SHOW the

jury.... this whole tangled = SICK = web of lies and MIS/truths...

1/2 truths..... what ever they want to call them

still = equals 1 ONE Dead :angel2::baby:= CAYLEE ! ! !

and in my books...
and in THE BOOK = BIBLE that equals = NOT ACCEPTABLE ! ! !

JMO

God Bless !
jjgram

Honey, "Baby daddy might have done it won't fly."

The Bishop of Boston might have done it, but there's no evidence that he did.

There's no evidence of any interest at all in Caylee, since before her birth,

It's about "reasonable doubt," not "anything could have happened." emphasis on the word, "reasonable."

JB would have to name daddy, and find some evidence.

 

[Brini]

That's why I keep expecting logic in what I call The Plan, or the goal of
eventual acquittal due to ineffective counsel--although I can't imagine
JB laying his ego on the line for this--so I continue to keep an open mind. :

I can't either. But, JB may be media-intoxicated, or KC might be playing him like a Stradivarius.

 

[Brini]

I don't know, I tend to think of it as facing reality, seeing things for what they are. After almost a year of reading documents, watching video's, having new information verify what's been thought all along about behaviors of players? Yup, my mind is indeed made up about a couple of things.. one of those things is Casey's sanity. I wasn't always so sure- I hanven't always felt so sure of her sanity. See.. the thing with critical thinking is that it's point is to come to an eventual well-justified , rational conclusion based on information that is probable. Not to ignore the things that are most obvious and may be staring you in the face.

Should I keep an open mind about what happened to the twin towers when there is obvious and clear evidence of what destroyed those buildings? hmm, maybe it was a bomb? :waitasec: Why try to fill a round hole with a square peg. I have seen the damage that bombs create and know enough to be able to say with complete confidence that (while I can't fly a plane or set off a bomb) there is no way a bomb caused that destruction. Besides, I saw the video's of the planes crashing with my own eyes. I don't care who you are.. it is what it is!

If my issue were "confirmatory bias" and I were rigid or inflexible in regard to this case one would expect to hear me speaking about how I believe Casey is guilty of killing her daughter. And one would expect I'd be running around with the incest rumors, the "Casey is a drug addict" and was drugging Caylee with Xanax or Cloroform rumors. One would expect I'd be on the "Casey was an Escort" bandwagon. I'd be claiming Casey is a Psychopath/Sociopath.. i'd be playing the she is "all bad" game.. if my issue were anything close to "confirmatory bias". When the reality is, I am not even convinced she had anything to do with Caylee's death. Kinda shoots your confirmatory bias theory in the foot. :blowkiss:

This is the last post I am going to respond to of yours, I saw ya coming..

Re: confirmatory bias... I think we all have our opinions-- often very strog ones-- re: whahoppen and whodunit.

But, I'm guessing that if presented with compelling evidence that. say, the milkman diddit, most of us would change our minds.

I said before that I would have to disqualify myself, during voire dire. However, if I WAS made to serve on KC's jury, and I saw strong evidence of the guilt of another, I'd change my mind. I know I could do this, because I did change my mind, when I was a juror on a case about which I felt strongly.

However, I would still try not to serve, because if my participatiion on this w/s was found out, it could call the verdict into question-- at least my part of it.

So... I don't think that unyielding bias is confirmed in most of us who believe KC to be guilty. This for several of the reasons which you have mentioned.

;-)

 

[Verité]

OLG, thanks for adding to that post. I have no one-upsmanship issue with
you and respect you as a valued member of this forum whose posts I've
"thanked" from time to time. You obviously give a lot of time and thought
to the issues of this case, and that I respect tremendously. Truce?:blowkiss:

OLG, continuing from my post #366, as to the issue of my post about
"keeping an open mind," sometimes when I'm posting, I'm writing the
reminder as much to myself as to others. I recall, for example, when we
were writing up our theories for Mark Klaas on Caylee's demise, and,
after I'd written my pet-theory, I read yours that you "had no idea" how
the child had died. I thought, "That's probably the most honest post of
them all," and felt very self-conscious that I'd not been more reflective
with a wait-and-see attitude. Because, really, none of us can accurately
comment about the COD, and I question whether or not LE even knows
conclusively.

I hope you'll keep in mind if I'm posting in the future, what I'm saying is
meant as much for me as anyone else. :balloons:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Re: confirmatory bias... I think we all have our opinions-- often very strog ones-- re: whahoppen and whodunit.

But, I'm guessing that if presented with compelling evidence that. say, the milkman diddit, most of us would change our minds.

I said before that I would have to disqualify myself, during voire dire. However, if I WAS made to serve on KC's jury, and I saw strong evidence of the guilt of another, I'd change my mind. I know I could do this, because I did change my mind, when I was a juror on a case about which I felt strongly.

However, I would still try not to serve, because if my participatiion on this w/s was found out, it could call the verdict into question-- at least my part of it.

So... I don't think that unyielding bias is confirmed in most of us who believe KC to be guilty. This for several of the reasons which you have mentioned.

;-)

See I'm overly cautious, I have to wait for trial & more evidence, I have to see for myself to be sure. I'm just stubborn like that. :crazy:

 

[Rumpole]

See I'm overly cautious, I have to wait for trial & more evidence, I have to see for myself to be sure. I'm just stubborn like that. :crazy:

Hi stubborn. I too am waiting to see more evidence, but we have a lot already, and more to come way before the trial.

True we haven't seen all the evidence, but what we have seen is more than compelling, don't ya think?
The whole circumstantial case is compelling to me.
The fact that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of KC's car is proven.
I'd listen to a plausible explanation of someone other than KC, but none has been even hinted at.
IMO there is even more "hard" evidence to come, but I see more than enough for guilty beyond reasonable doubt right now. I think the evidence to come will make DP a real possibility.

 

[Brini]

See I'm overly cautious, I have to wait for trial & more evidence, I have to see for myself to be sure. I'm just stubborn like that. :crazy:

Makes sense to ME!:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Searchfortruth]

I was reading an article earlier about "psychopath's" and their language, the words they use sometimes being different due to their lack of normal emotions. I was going over this statement below, made by Casey, and was wondering if this might be an example of that. IMO, the statement just doesn't make much sense...

"I try to keep an open mind when it comes to things, but if I'm innocent, that's, that's as far as it goes," Anthony says. "I'll take this as far as I need to prove my innocence, which I guess is my point in all this."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506774,00.html

 

[OneLostGrl]

I was reading an article earlier about "psychopath's" and their language, the words they use sometimes being different due to their lack of normal emotions. I was going over this statement below, made by Casey, and was wondering if this might be an example of that. IMO, the statement just doesn't make much sense...

"I try to keep an open mind when it comes to things, but if I'm innocent, that's, that's as far as it goes," Anthony says. "I'll take this as far as I need to prove my innocence, which I guess is my point in all this."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506774,00.html

Freaky, huh? Lee is the same way. Can't understand a thing they say.

 

[songline]

I was reading an article earlier about "psychopath's" and their language, the words they use sometimes being different due to their lack of normal emotions. I was going over this statement below, made by Casey, and was wondering if this might be an example of that. IMO, the statement just doesn't make much sense...

"I try to keep an open mind when it comes to things, but if I'm innocent, that's, that's as far as it goes," Anthony says. "I'll take this as far as I need to prove my innocence, which I guess is my point in all this."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506774,00.html

It is just a guess. She is also saying My hands are tied because you are all trying to triick me into a confession: Now how would a 22 year old think like that? DOES ANYBODY HEAR GAs VOICE. I do!!! Loud and Clear....
It probably went like this: "Be very carful, VERY, do not let anyone trick a confession out of you because then you are tost!"
Cindy asked her on thier first vist "you did not tell them" hmmmmm.
Sure Cindy. she did not have to.
so Casey's keeping an open mind means: I will try to give you as many "yes", "no" answers as I can.....

Back to your question about Casey speaks differently,
IMO they do not speak a proper english , and omit many words.
Is she saying? after you all find out that I did not kill Caylee, I am not interested in any other questioning about anyone I know, or met along my path and what had happened.
Don't come asking me what I mean when I said Amy can move in;
Just lets go and get ME proven Innocent and out of here.

 

[songline]

I know I am not part of the conversation that was going on earlier, but I just wanted to throw in a thought, maybe two. I know that I have already made my mind up about certain things in this case, I am pretty sure that Casey did commit this murder and have been for a LOOOONG time ! Now there are other aspects I question, did she spend the night of the 15th at home ? Did George really see her and Caylee on the 16th ? You get the drift. This is a forum where we come to talk and sometimes dispute this case. I recognize that some posters have decided less than I have at this point in time. If any of us were on the jury, I would agree that having an open mind is essential...but, this is not the case. This is a forum where we talk about the death of Caylee, and so if I have my mind made up in certain areas...is that wrong, because we are just talking about this case, not deciding guilt or innocence. For me to suggest that ANY poster is better than another based on their "open mindedness" about this case, IMO, is WRONG ! I also think that even going there is way too personal.

We are all part of every conversation no conversation is privet unless it is on a PM. :blowkiss: Welcome!

This case has many transparent pieces; and we have many feelings, judgments, questions, ideas: that is why we come here....
Some of the people here are really genuine, intelligent, some professional in Fields that are helpful and some are just loving people who really care about this case namely CAYLEE.

As far as Casey goes it is apparent that she is guilty...You do not have to be a forensic specialist to see that.
But I am not sure to what degree she is guilty.. That is important.
I am sure that there are many things with this situation that are intended to create confusion.
Many hidden pieces, many lies...in short the case is not over.
As for talking about "Open Mindedness" being a personal issue - that made my eyebrows go right up.
I have talked about development and the mind since 1980, have done in in many states, several countries , all over the place and I have never herd that one. "An open mind is a many splendid thing"

 

[SoSueMe]

...
One thing that is important to keep in mind when you compare Susan Smith with Casey Anthony.. when you want to tell yourself that, like Susan, Casey's upbringing will "help" her when it comes time for sentencing. ...

I was not so much comparing Susan Smith to Casey, but rather what jurors might take into consideration when deciding for or against the death penalty.