Casey & Family Psychological Profile #7

[Brini]

If during a "break from reality" you are able to rationally hide a murder, you are legally sane.

From texting Amy that she had "rid her car frame of the dead animal" to telling Cindy about "Zanny's accident in Tampa" that prevented her and Caylee from "coming home", Casey deliberately and thoughtfully "covered her tracks".

Examples of women that had breaks with reality are Andrea Yates and Nila Wacaser.

Andrea Yate's 911 call asking LE to come to her house is an example of someone who was removed from reality. Nila Wacaser calmly gave her husband the bloody knife she had used to murder her sons and told him to call police. Nila and Andra stood trial, were convicted (Nila was sentenced to death) and had their convictions overruled. Nila was found guilty in a second trial and hung herself in prison before being resentenced.

Exactly! KC was seen and heard from by many people, during the 31 days, and after. No one noticed any break from reality, of any kind.

 

[Brini]

Actually, I believe Casey had a break with reality which was coming for a long time. Can any of you imagine living in a house with G & C and remaining completely sane? Can anyone here picture a huge family fight, with all involved, then having a tiny child come up missing and no one searches for her for 31 days? I can, but all of this is just my own conjecture through a very distored view of life brought on by a rather rough childhood loosely following an Anthony scenerio. Stranger things have happened, Horatio...

My opinion only

Break from reality as evidenced by what?

She has always known who and where she is and exactly what she's doing. As evidenced by her many stretgies to attempt to cover up.

Also, no one, during this entire debacle, has noted any break from reality or disorientiation in KC, at all. No hallucination, no delusion, no disorientation re: person, place, time, or circumstance.

Give it up, folks. She knew what she was doing, and she knew it was wrong.

Nobody forced her to do anything. Nobody forced her to cover it up. Nobody forced her to enjoy her social time while her child was, ostensibly, in mortal danger.

But, let's say they WAS a "Mr. Big" who somehow forced KC drive around for a week with her baby's dead body in the car.

In order to counter all the evidence that implicates KC, and ONLY KC, JB will have to present a theory that has some evidence behind it. A who, how, and why, and as evidenced by what? Otherwise, he's going to be as risable as was Scott Peterson's attorney, when he said that maybe Satanists, hippies, the mail man, whomever, did it.

JB said that KC has an explanation with will be entirely believable, and that will "make everything clear". If he DID have such, he could likely have gone straight to LE with it, and got her out of jail.

As for the the theory that KC is actually crazy-- evidence of that is needed, as well. No one noticed any break from reality. The prison neither medicated her, not did they forbid release on bail. KC, herself, bragged about how well she did in her psych evaluation.

And, we know that a LOT of women have killed their children for freedom, for a guy, or for spite, and have gone on their merry ways. No plot, no conspiracy, no psychosis.

It's all about the evidence. JB can't just come into court, and say, "Maybe somebody else did it." There's too much evidence that KC did it. JB has to present believable specifics.

 

[Brini]

LET ME PREFACE THIS "I THINK" :
The picture of Casey with her eyes blank, or bulging out of her head..... is during a hearing where someone is talking about the insects and Caylees Little body. I think when something hard to handle shows up she gets frozen.

I dunno. She never seems to "bulge her eyes" in court. Just when she is talking about how unfair it is that she's in jail, while talking with her parents-- visiting her in jail.

Her eyes sure didn't bulge, while she was driving her car with the decompositional fluids of her child in it, for days. She just made flip excuses about squirrels.

 

[Brini]

I relate totally to your post--and know how that feels to put the "brakes" on your heart, whether you intended it as a pun or FS.

The description which JG gives of KC pre-Caylee disappearance and pre-jail is an account I'd heard before, but on yesterday's NG show & replays of
that, I listened with fresh ears, as well as to the account of her adult-parenting conflicts (which have been denied by CA). At that point in her life, KC sounds far
more fragile than a sociopath. JG EVEN felt it necessary to come to her defense as her mother would browbeat her, calling her "lazy," and belittling her for not
having a job, and not having finished school. . .destroying what little self esteem there might have been. (A young adult can show lassitude without it being laziness, or be unable to finish school or maintain employment without that being due to sociopathy.)

A lot of people on this list, have been belittled and browbeaten by parents. Or, even beaten and/or raped. They have had to grow up and find self-esteem on their own. And, some have never found it, at all.

And, they haven't killed anyone. Or, robbed their friends and relatives.

There are many, many, many more worse homes than KC's, and there are many many more bad homes than there are child murderers.

 

[Brini]

You are right...there for I totaly also believe she can easily be a hooker that could have gotten in a jam.
I am just saying......

Maybe she could. But, there's no evidence, whatsoever, that she DID.

 

[Brini]

It's evolutionary, Mamabear, ..."A sign of the times" in which we live. Sadly, I fear KC is just the tip of the icberg, with worse to come.

That statement, by the one person, that there is a new disorder is emerging, may be so. But, his statement does not make it so.

Others have opined that more sociopaths and biporlas are being born, there days.

But, the other side of THAT coin is... maybe, with our greatly enhanced level of communication, we are just finding out about more instances of the same old pathologies.

 

[Brini]

I was watching a show on Diane D. recently, and was shocked at just how similar her behavior, personality is to Casey's. Diane's behavior after she shot her own children, in the ER, and after, was almost identical to what we see in Casey. Anyway, someone on the show said that Diane viewed her children as her property and therefore could do what she wanted with them. I wonder if Casey felt the same. I remember in the jail video she tells her parents that she knows Caylee is not just her's, but that she belongs to all of them. Could this statement have been made to concede to a previous fight concerning the same issue ?

If KC is a sociopath, she felt that Caylee was "property." Like those guys who kill wives, and feel entitled to do so. "Because she's my wife."

KC says a lot of things with a goal of manipulating people.

We already know that both of the A women were warring over posession of Caylee.

 

[Blackwatch]

If during a "break from reality" you are able to rationally hide a murder, you are legally sane.

From texting Amy that she had "rid her car frame of the dead animal" to telling Cindy about "Zanny's accident in Tampa" that prevented her and Caylee from "coming home", Casey deliberately and thoughtfully "covered her tracks".

Examples of women that had breaks with reality are Andrea Yates and Nila Wacaser.

Andrea Yate's 911 call asking LE to come to her house is an example of someone who was removed from reality. Nila Wacaser calmly gave her husband the bloody knife she had used to murder her sons and told him to call police. Nila and Andra stood trial, were convicted (Nila was sentenced to death) and had their convictions overruled. Nila was found guilty in a second trial and hung herself in prison before being resentenced.

Andrea Yates, who I believe was totally psychotic, killed the kiddes THEN called 911. Casey, who I believe may also have been psychotic at the time, killed the kid, then realized what happened, couldn't face it because she hadn't been quite as "beaten down" as Andrea, and hid the body, hoping to get by with it. However, I strongly believe, at the time of the killing, Casey had a TOTAL breakdown.

Plus, let me add, when Casey came to herself, she knew her life was over if CA ever found out what she'd done - IF, indeed, Casey did this alone which I'm not so sure of. If she did I believe she was psychotic, if she wasn't alone I believe she's a scapegoat - an unhappy one, but still not totally in the mindframe most of us have come to expect from people we interact with.

My opinion only

 

[sharpar]

I just cant buy KC is protecting some nefarious " other " . She has shown total disregard for everyone in her life starting with her daughter. She is so unlikeable and by age 22 managed to accomplish very little. Failure to launch is a huge understatement. Not that she tried and failed - she never made an effort - it was easier to whine about your delusional enabling parents than grow up. Her parents
and everyone else still refers to her in childish fashion because she never developed
past that. KC will be quite content in prison she will find minions to do her bidding
and pen pals to con out of money. She will never understand where or why it went
so terribly wrong. This wasnt supposed to happen .

 

[songline]

A lot of people on this list, have been belittled and browbeaten by parents. Or, even beaten and/or raped. They have had to grow up and find self-esteem on their own. And, some have never found it, at all.

And, they haven't killed anyone. Or, robbed their friends and relatives.

There are many, many, many more worse homes than KC's, and there are many many more bad homes than there are child murderers.

That conversation was ONLY about numb feelings. Just saying.....Content matters.

 

[songline]

Maybe she could. But, there's no evidence, whatsoever, that she DID.

Lots of information we are still looking for to fill in the blanks.

 

[songline]

I thought the picture of Casey when her eyes were bulging out of her head was when Casey was in jail and frustrated because nobody was sympathetic to what "she" was going through. Her freedom had been taken away...etc.

When Casey was in the hearing and they were talking about finding Caylee and Caylee's skull, I think Casey was poking Baez with a pencil and giving him coy smiles.

If I am not mistaken she was picking her fingers ? and looking numb. (i am referring to the time the guy talked about insects and the body)

 

[songline]

I just cant buy KC is protecting some nefarious " other " . She has shown total disregard for everyone in her life starting with her daughter. She is so unlikeable and by age 22 managed to accomplish very little. Failure to launch is a huge understatement. Not that she tried and failed - she never made an effort - it was easier to whine about your delusional enabling parents than grow up. Her parents
and everyone else still refers to her in childish fashion because she never developed
past that. KC will be quite content in prison she will find minions to do her bidding
and pen pals to con out of money. She will never understand where or why it went
so terribly wrong. This wasnt supposed to happen .

I agree with a lot of what you say (not all) because I am unsure about other person, but I allow the possibility to be there till we are sure.

But I read somewhere that some lady in LA got of a murder charge because it took to long. :furious:
I hope this darn case gets going....
I am also concerned about JB because this can result in a miss trial thus needing more time to evaluate,
and more time is not a good thing.
I know it took about 10 years to get justice for the OJ case;
Goshe I hope it does not happen here.

 

[Brini]

Lots of information we are still looking for to fill in the blanks.

But, LE has all of her phone pings, for MONTHS. No evidence of hooking. Unless she worked out of TonE's Wal-Mart, or the A's.

 

[Brini]

Andrea Yates, who I believe was totally psychotic, killed the kiddes THEN called 911. Casey, who I believe may also have been psychotic at the time, killed the kid, then realized what happened, couldn't face it because she hadn't been quite as "beaten down" as Andrea, and hid the body, hoping to get by with it. However, I strongly believe, at the time of the killing, Casey had a TOTAL breakdown.

Plus, let me add, when Casey came to herself, she knew her life was over if CA ever found out what she'd done - IF, indeed, Casey did this alone which I'm not so sure of. If she did I believe she was psychotic, if she wasn't alone I believe she's a scapegoat - an unhappy one, but still not totally in the mindframe most of us have come to expect from people we interact with.

My opinion only

Agree completely re: Andrea Yates. She also had a LOOOOONG psychiatric history, to give credence re: her emotional state.

Are you asking us to believe that KC had a psychotic break that lasted a few minutes? Then, it went away without anyone noticing? And, never came back? KC has no psychiatric history, and no evidence of break with reality before, during, or since the 15th/16th, in her whole life.

Doesn't happen that way, honey. Twelve jurors would not likely buy it, without evidence.

 

[Brini]

If I am not mistaken she was picking her fingers ? and looking numb. (i am referring to the time the guy talked about insects and the body)

She picks her fingers, sometimes, when she looks bored.

I've never seen her look, what I'd call, "numb." She looks excited, or sad, or bored, or angry.

She has looked sad mostly when she talks about being in jail.

 

[kageykaren]

I dunno. She never seems to "bulge her eyes" in court. Just when she is talking about how unfair it is that she's in jail, while talking with her parents-- visiting her in jail.

Her eyes sure didn't bulge, while she was driving her car with the decompositional fluids of her child in it, for days. She just made flip excuses about squirrels.

Two instances where I saw the big bulging eye look of "I'm on a an adrenalin high" was her very first walk into the courtroom with her blue hoody sweatshirt. Look at those dark jazzed up eyes. The only other time was when she was rearrested i belive for check fraud and had her swagger walk going while in handcuffs. This look was a less hyped up looking but one of a snotty"What ever" I haven't seen those eyes of hers look like that since. <3

 

[kageykaren]

But, LE has all of her phone pings, for MONTHS. No evidence of hooking. Unless she worked out of TonE's Wal-Mart, or the A's.

I feel the side issue of what KC was doing over the past 3 yrs. will be addressed at trial only to prove that the lifestyle she may have been a part of shows her life attentions were not geared to include a child. It appears we can successfully say she wasn't working a straight job except as a 'shot girl" and that job alone I don't feel could sustain her ego.

 

[Verité]

That statement, by the one person, that there is a new disorder is emerging, may be so. But, his statement does not make it so. . .

bolding mine

"His" statement was that of MamaBear.

 

[Brini]

bolding mine

"His" statement was that of MamaBear.

I apologize. I didn't make myself clear. I was referencing the person who made that statement on NG. Mama also quoted him.

I don't remember his name.

Thanks! xoxoxoxoxo