Casey & Family Psychological Profile #8

[Brini]

In response to the part you bolded...

The 11 mothers on death row, convicted of killing their children, will be happy to know they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions because their behavior was beyond their control. John Couey and Joseph Duncan had to have been insane to do what they did also.

IMO, Casey isn't any different than the other members of the elite club she is about to join. I think personality disorders and dysfunctional families are the norm there.

JMO

Another POTD!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I agree with you re Shirley, but I have a harder time with Rick. It's one thing to have a strong opinion about the way your sister is mishandling that whole situation, and to write her a series of emails in an attempt to open her eyes to what everybody else is seeing, but it's quite another to share those emails publicly and to go on Greta and malign her and her coping methods. I just think there should be more solidarity in a family, more loyalty, than that. And I'm saying that while appreciating his insight into this case, the bird's eye view into their family. I view that as an extreme betrayal of Cindy, and if I were her I could never forgive him.

He didn't go on Greta. He didn't go on TV at all. He gave LE the emails and he went to a couple message boards and spoke of the emails and Casey's past but that was it.

Having a "Cindy" in your life gets old after awhile.. it is exhausting! The lies, the misdirected anger, fake stories and victim games. The splitting and gas lighting, the constant drama and attention seeking, their constant need to control everything and every one around them. The manipulation, constant walking on egg shells, finger pointing.. ugh, it's NOT easy, I get where Rick is coming from!! If Casey didn't get caught now and was able to live free on the outside until Cindy's age, I'm willing to bet Lee would be treating HER about the same way Rick was treating Cindy in those emails.

You live with the chit for years and years and years, they become so predictable in their games, their lies and excuses that ya just want to shake some sense into 'em.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

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I want to know what you think of this little gem on her photobucket account. It is impossible that someone other than she just so happened to put a heart over the tape on the baby's mouth.

I know Yuri has caught this. She is going down.

It's unbelievable, isn't it? That the As and KC & Co. would have everyone believe there is no link to that image and the heart sticker over Caylee's duct taped mouth. There are not that many coincidences in life. Thank god for Facebook, My Space, and Photobucket! She makes it sooooo easy.

 

[countzero]

He didn't go on Greta. He didn't go on TV at all. He gave LE the emails and he went to a couple message boards and spoke of the emails and Casey's past but that was it.

Having a "Cindy" in your life gets old after awhile.. it is exhausting! The lies, the misdirected anger, fake stories and victim games. The splitting and gas lighting, the constant drama and attention seeking, their constant need to control everything and every one around them. The manipulation, constant walking on egg shells, finger pointing.. ugh, it's NOT easy, I get where Rick is coming from!! If Casey didn't get caught now and was able to live free on the outside until Cindy's age, I'm willing to bet Lee would be treating HER about the same way Rick was treating Cindy in those emails.

You live with the chit for years and years and years, they become so predictable in their games, their lies and excuses that ya just want to shake some sense into 'em.

bbm:

My arms got tired after years of attempting to shake some sense, so I simply cut the cord that attached us. Toxic people - I don't need or want. Don't care if they are family or not. My sanity was and is more important than blood when the family member CHOOSES to remain on the same destructive path.

 

[kageykaren]

bbm:

My arms got tired after years of attempting to shake some sense, so I simply cut the cord that attached us. Toxic people - I don't need or want. Don't care if they are family or not. My sanity was and is more important than blood when the family member CHOOSES to remain on the same destructive path.

:clap::clap::clap::clap: I'm giving you a whole audience of claps!!! "Can we talk?"

 

[countzero]

:clap::clap::clap::clap: I'm giving you a whole audience of claps!!! "Can we talk?"

Sure can.

 

[travelgal]

They are both (mom and daughter) sociopaths imo. Check this out: Profile of the Sociopath




* Glibness and Superficial Charm (Casey in her interview with LE and FBI the day of her arrest for MURDER!)
(Cindy on every talk show interview)
* Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. (Cindy in her deposition and Cindy taking down the crosses near Caylee's tree, the way Cindy belittled Casey to her friends and Jesse)

* Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." (Cindy demanding, and I do mean demanding to know the relevance of a question posed to her in a deposition, was absolutely priceless) I thought the young attorney was quite charming and calm, "Brad, perhaps you can explain to her that she may not ask any questions here" and later, still calm, "Brad, c'mon, you are an experienced attorney, you know the rules of procedure here", he was absolutely astonished that Cindy was so very very ill prepared and mislead. Cindy was livid, insulted, and combative. In a courtroom with a judge, that would have not been tolerated. The judge would help her understand her sense of self is misguided. LOL

* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
(Yuri mentioned that she never once showed any sign of concern or cried for her "missing" baby. she took them to her imaginary office walking them down the hall "with a purpose".) Regarding Cindy , my favorite is her telling her brother and co-workers that Casey is not pregnant, when she is seven full months and quite evidently pregnant!

*Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
(She admitted in a jail house visit with mom and pop she had not cried once since she had been jailed.) Seasoned homicide detectives could not shame her into a confession, she remained stoic throughout long hours of interrogation that mafia members would have buckled under.

* Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. Earlier on the day of her arrest for murder, Casey stood near Jose at a press conference in her white shirt and black bra showing through and forced one single tear that she wiped away six or seven times.

* Incapacity for Love (Obviously she did not love Grampa, to steal from his nursing home account. she didn't love Jesse, she didn't love Amy and clearly she did not love her parents or the baby. "All they care about is getting Caylee back!" Casey said to her buddy regarding her parents.)

* Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

* Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.( When George and Cindy were telling her how hard it has been, that they are getting hate mail , brother has been sick, dad exploded at the media, she shows zero concern and just talks over a weeping Cindy to tell how she has only received supportive letters. The cold way she ignores them in the courtroom is textbook. She enjoys hurting them. She never mentions concern for her baby, is she eating, is she well, is she scared, is she sleeping...no mention of concern for her at all.)

* Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
(Cindy-Casey relationship 101)

* Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. (Casey switched groups of friends like most gals change purses, and she sure switched boys often too)

* Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. (Amy, Jesse, et al, she showed Lee no concern, whatsoever, for how his life was turned upside down trying to find the baby for her, and she could not care less about her grandparents and how this was affecting their health, she laughed at Cindy for breaking down in tears, "Why is she crying!?" she had the nerve to ask George.

* Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. (all of her photos on her photo sites read more like advertisements for prostitution, like the one that says, "I've got tricks you have never seen, baby", she has lots of saved and for a young girl she slept around pretty recklessly. She seemed to enjoy playing the boys off one another trying to make them jealous sexually.

* Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle (Casey)
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

* Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
We know or believe she had a fake ID, was happy to utter someone else's checks and has indeed been charged with fraud, Casey that is. we know she had a different story for every week about what she does for a living, how much money she has, where she is buying a house, she is practically engaged to Jeff, Tony wants to take her back to NY, Ricardo loves, her, Jesse chases her relentlessly, and my personal favorite is the ever changing story of who is the baby's father, how he died, the trust he set up for the baby, the wife doesn't mind and calls Casey, although his parents do not know and she is too honorable to tarnish his memory in their eyes by divulging this secret about their son to them.
Other Related Qualities:

UNABLE TO FEEL remorse or guilt, Casey to the police, "I will lie, cheat or steal I do not care, I will do whatever it takes!"
Extreme narcissism and grandiose[/u][/b]
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world


(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

So there you have it. In Cindy's own words, "Casey is a sociopath!" Are you proud now , George?

BOY, OH BOY!! I think you have really nailed CA & KC. I have begun to think that CA was showing so many behaviors of Sociopath, also. Particularly when you look back at the many, many interviews, jailhouse visits, dealing with protesters, etc.

My question: how do you label or classify GA??

 

[Brini]

BOY, OH BOY!! I think you have really nailed CA & KC. I have begun to think that CA was showing so many behaviors of Sociopath, also. Particularly when you look back at the many, many interviews, jailhouse visits, dealing with protesters, etc.

My question: how do you label or classify GA??

Well, passive-aggressive sloth isn't in the DSM. ;-)

 

[Brini]

If you get a chance take a look at the foundation's website. There's a lot of CA's feeling of persecution interspersed with the message of giving in Caylee's name.

But, be sure to bring a violin with broken strings and a barf bag. :boohoo::yuck::violin::sick:

The best piccie on that w/s is, IMHO, one fo the backs of CA and GA's heads, as they sit at some missing children's event.

BTW-- Looks like they are still smudging the fact that she was murdered, not "missing."

 

[MissJames]

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Thanks for the post. I found this part rather interesting..
KC only showed real emotion a couple of times and it was always about the most insignificant things. It was always in that rare upward inflection in her voice.

When the detectives were questioning her at Universal, Sgt. Allen basically mocked her for her pretend desk and job, and she swung back with, "I used to have a desk!"

The other memorable incident was when cindy asked KC who her stylist was, and i will have to paraphrase but she yelled, "I don't know where they got that but it's BS!! No one has touched my hair since before... yada yada yada!"

She shows more emotion over useless things than her own daughter. Gosh I hate her so much. :banghead:

How about the news conference KC had with Jose' after the indictment came down.She was so teary eyed and meek.Then a very short time later,we see the video of her taken in the room where LE is going to talk to her again.She's smackin' gum and adjusting her clothes,absolutely no sense of sadness or even fear.She had just been arrested for murder and she's cool as a cucumber [my apologies to all cukes].

 

[snow_walker]

The one thing that I can say about CA, was that she did seem to love little Caylee...she should have done more to protect her from KC, and she should have done a great many things differently since last July (needless to say).. but still.. I do think she loved that baby. I believe Ga loved little Caylee as well, did and still does.

More to the point, I think little Caylee loved her and GA back.. and for that reason, if for no other, I try to cut them some slack.. if Caylee loved them, then for little Caylee's sake I will do my best to understand them and show them what tolerance I can, even though I don't like them.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I'm sorry snow_walker--I just can't cut them slack. I did in the beginning. I used to say the same as you. They just git worse and worse. They need to go to prison. moo

 

[kageykaren]

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I want to know what you think of this little gem on her photobucket account. It is impossible that someone other than she just so happened to put a heart over the tape on the baby's mouth.

I know Yuri has caught this. She is going down.

I mentioned the symbolism KC seems to have put out to the universe. Why was KC so revealing in all social websites she posted in? For a nano second I started thinking this was a side of her personality that she felt comfortable revealing even if her thoughts and comments were damaging. The other side to KC has her taking a look at a girl who had nothing and the accolades mothering was giving her lost it's steam, because it seems that goal wasn't her own desire. Come to think of ,we have never heard of a true incident of her or a family member sharing a goal or talent of KC.'s. The photography thing wasn't nutured by a parent investing time, money training. This was more of a solitary hobbie left unattended not allowing for increased knowledge and education. Did we ever hear GA or CA brag about this hobbie of KC's? Did they ever happily state helping KC buy a great camera to nuture her talent? Aren't most parents happy to talk about a childs talents and brag. I'v got a feeling the parents after new born and toddler stage, put her in a room with alot of toys and said play till I come back in. Remember this is a family that didn't have extra curricular family time. So after all this I'm with everyone else that they are a family of deep secrets and those secrets or secret appear to fuel the energy it would take to keep the white elephant in the room from being seen. This takes me back to a post from along time ago describing the A's, "The Emporer With No Clothes" Kudos to that poster! We all agree on this thread and seem to have a mutual admiration for each others posts and our need to express our feelings and thoughts until were blue. I think we are going to experience and share many moments during trial saying, "We have been so right on the money, literally. Guess I better head over to the "How are monies being dispearsed in the A Family" thread. Maybe we should start a thread called, "Family Psych Predictions expected during trial." :waitasec: Will the white elephant be the demise of this family? I might be being a bit dramatic. :crazy: I'll except that!

 

[snow_walker]

You may well be right mama bear.. perhaps the time for tolerance at any level is past.. but seems like Caylee got so little in this world.. what little she did get came through these two people.
Ca kept a roof over her head, kept her fed and clean and cared for, bought her toys and clothes.. GA sang to her, played with her.. babysat her.. I don't say this qualifies them for automatic immunity for some of their behavior, just saying, for the sake of that baby, I appreciate what they did do right by her.
In responce, I try to overlook a lot of their 'zanny' ness..lol! Believe me it does take some effort on my part.

 

[kageykaren]

If you get a chance take a look at the foundation's website. There's a lot of CA's feeling of persecution interspersed with the message of giving in Caylee's name.

I'm about ready to hear CA go into a Linda Ronstadt song if ever asked again to appear in public,"Poor poor pitiful me. With time and all new sensational news occuring I'm predicting no more appearences unless it may be a slow day in the news. Live it to the guy who's song was played at Caylee's funeral to take the spot light off the A's. Hopefully to squash anymore paid tv appearances.

 

[countzero]

You may well be right mama bear.. perhaps the time for tolerance at any level is past.. but seems like Caylee got so little in this world.. what little she did get came through these two people.
Ca kept a roof over her head, kept her fed and clean and cared for, bought her toys and clothes.. GA sang to her, played with her.. babysat her.. I don't say this qualifies them for automatic immunity for some of their behavior, just saying, for the sake of that baby, I appreciate what they did do right by her.
In responce, I try to overlook a lot of their 'zanny' ness..lol! Believe me it does take some effort on my part.

Whether you get to the place we are or you don't, it's ok. I said this a long time ago but it bears repeating again.

Caylee was a very lonely child. She had no playmates, no interactions with other toddlers, she didn't attend Sunday school or pre-school, she apparently didn't even go to the drs for regular checkups. She apparently had videos and tv shows she could watch and follow. These were her friends.

She was subjected to only being with adults and very angry adults at that. The A compound was just that; a place where behind close doors anger was the norm. When she was taken out in public it was for appearances only. Caylee was a means to solicit smiles and praise for the A clan. She was paraded around the streets to show everyone the material items she had.

Money buys everything your heart desires BUT LOVE. What love Caylee was exposed to was a poison type of love. It was a required and demanded love. She was subjected to hearing negative talk her entire short life.

If Caylee was standing on the tracks and a train was barreling down with CA and KC both holding Caylee, Caylee would be hit while CA and KC jumped off the tracks. Each would blame each other then turn and blame the driver of the train for hitting Caylee.

Now substitute what really happened. KC murdered Caylee and blamed CA for it happening.

 

[essies]

I'm about ready to hear CA go into a Linda Ronstadt song if ever asked again to appear in public,"Poor poor pitiful me. With time and all new sensational news occuring I'm predicting no more appearences unless it may be a slow day in the news. Live it to the guy who's song was played at Caylee's funeral to take the spot light off the A's. Hopefully to squash anymore paid tv appearances.

One could only hope! But, my fear is they are somewhere:grouphug::shakehead:



Had to borrow your guys there KK-seemed fitting!

 

[spartanmom]

Yeah-hypocrisy in the tenth degree right there! They turned down ALL help that was not "ALIVE Caylee" based. They not only turned down help, but threw up roadblocks whenever and wherever they could to deter them that would help from being effective in their efforts. That interview where Cindy said that was one of THE most pathetic that I have seen to date. She showed her own belief in HER as THE most important and central figure in all of this, as she has done a million times before. At least she is consistent in her ideology! Lie and deceive and believe you are like a God!



Amber alerts are only effective IMMEDIATELY upon someone being abducted, as they can set up alerts on the highways etc, for LE and citizens to be on alert and on the look-out for the individual. 31 days is WAY too late for an Amber alert. This philosophy of theirs, point the finger of blame at ANYONE rather than one of THEIR OWN, is a central THEME in this sort of disfunctional scenario. I have heard it a million times. THEY, the finger pointers, are ALWAYS the victims, and they have been VICTIMIZED (according to themselves) in EVERY situation imaginable. It is a mark OF their disfunction every time they do this and it is OBVIOUS to trained professionals and easily recognizable as part of the disfunction.

Blame placing, the A's are very good at it!!!! :furious:

 

[NocturnalLady]

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I want to know what you think of this little gem on her photobucket account. It is impossible that someone other than she just so happened to put a heart over the tape on the baby's mouth.

I know Yuri has caught this. She is going down.

Why isn't that all over the media?

 

[NocturnalLady]

Well, passive-aggressive sloth isn't in the DSM. ;-)

What about his anger issues and Peter Pan Syndrome (don't know if this is a real diagnosis but he acts like a boy who refuses to grow up). I also think he is histrionic.