Casey & Family Psychological Profile #8

[OneLostGrl]

Bet it'll get hijacked into yet another psych thread, though.

Because psych issues are at the heart of this entire case.

 

[NocturnalLady]

I can see where all of you are coming from and why this might seem difficult. Some of us think KC's lies and "fantasy" stories about herself come from the fact she could be a sociopath. Some people think they might be from the fact that they were a coping mechanism for living in a family like hers, or perhaps learned from CA, who certainly is very good at creating "alternate realities" to make the facts conform to her wishes. In fact, several of KC's friends use those very terms to describe her - I can't remember if it was Kio, Amy or Annie, but one of them said that if something bad had happened to Caylee, KC would have reconstructed it in her mind to be something totally different. JG, even though he admitted her lying was "diabolical" also said something to the same effect, as if she often lied to create a perfect world whether from insecurity or some other motivation.

From what I can see, no one is arguing whether she is legally insane - she certainly knew right from wrong and that is evidenced by her elaborate stories she created to cover up Caylee's death. And all of us have opinions about what we might or might not label her personality disorders - that does not seem to be the issue either. Or whether she was lying because she enjoyed it, or to cover insecurity, or to manipulate people or for all those and maybe a host of others.

Let me know if I haven't got this straight, but it seems to me you want to talk about the inconsistencies between the things KC said and did and what was really true or that we can verify actually happened - and leave out the psychological speculation.

Maybe someone could start a thread similar to the ones on GA and CA entitled "Inconsistencies" with what KC said, told others, etc. and what we know really went on so that there is a record. I would also suggest that it might be nice to identify things that she said that we don't know yet are true or not but may have simply taken for granted as a group since they have been present from the outset, or supported by others but who did so only using her as their source (so that they are completely hearsay).

I think that would be a useful addition, to separate the contradictions (call them lies, mistruths, fantasies, whatever) from the actual verifiable facts. If someone starts that thread and makes it clear that the discussion is about comparing inconsistencies but avoiding speculation as to WHY then it could provide a useful list for later.

(For instance, she told various people she knew "Zanny" for six years, four years, two years, etc. - but WHEN did she tell each of those people those stories?) So perhaps, we could make not only a list of inconsistencies but a timeline of when they appeared and to whom they were told. Does that make sense?

Cecybeans = master of the thread starting post. :clap:

:blowkiss:

 

[MAMABEAR]

Cecybeans = master of the thread starting post. :clap:

:blowkiss:

Started a thread with it and it got moved to here:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3931448#post3931448"]Casey's Lies - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I am so sad. We have a bird nest that some mockingbirds built between our trellis filled with sweet potato vine and honeysuckle and the screen on our Florida room. We watched the nest building, the laying of two eggs and the hatching with all the amazement that such miracles should bring. But I can hardly stand to watch now from our "inside view" of everything that is happening.
The left hand side baby bird is very vocal and assertive; the right hand side baby is quiet and smaller; doesn't hold its head as high or straight.
I just spent 10 minutes straight concentrating on what's going on. The left hand side baby was fed six times (both male and female parents participate) and the right hand side baby was only fed once.
I've been concerned for quite a while about all the guilt many have assigned to Cindy for the horrible person that Casey has turned out to be. It made me wonder if Cindy and George were just bad parents/people or if trying to cope with Casey made them that way. And now I'm seeing that same thing played out right before my very eyes with the mockingbirds. And I think it has answered my questions about nature vs nurture.
Humans are supposed to be different than God's lesser creations. A momma and pappa bird can only react to the most assertive baby. Humans are supposed to be on a higher level. We're supposed to weigh all things and notice that that little right hand baby bird isn't getting enough to eat, enough support, needs help and that the left hand guy is just full of itself. George and Cindy should have seen and identified that in Casey. They didn't.
I don't care for Cindy, George or Casey. I think Casey was the left hand bird and both her parents were unable to cope with her. (Maybe they were both right hand birds?) Casey ran all over them. They let her. They were supposed to be smarter than my mockingbirds!
Hope you all don't think I'm nuts. :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[zippitydoda]

Hello everyone - Happy 4th.

I just finished an excellent book, The Other Side of the Night, by Daniel Allen Butler. Its the story of the Titanic, and two other ships that were in the area and played significant roles in what occurred as the Titanic began to sink - one very good, and one very, very bad, specifically the despicable actions of the Captain of the Californian, Stanley Lord.

Mr. Butler not only detailed what Captain Lord did, he also offered an explanation as to why he did it - which just jumped out at me...he deemed Captain Lord to be a sociopath and wrote:

“a sociopath is defined as someone who displays a certain set of distinguishing characteristics, among them deceit, a tendency to be manipulative, a failure to plan ahead or anticipate consequences, aggressiveness, a reckless disregard for the safety of others, and the lack of remorse for any injury to others which might result from their actions or inactions”

“Another symptom of a sociopath is a disdain for authority when its requirements seem inconvenient”

“Another major characteristic of a sociopath; duplicity coupled with a lack of remorse”

"The only genuine reality for a sociopath is their own self preservaton; at no time will such a person place themselves in a position of real or perceived danger"

Mr. Butler also detailed the actions Captain Lord’s officers, who went along with Lord’s instructions, even though they had to have known how wrong their actions were that night. He found that the officers were perfect foils for Lord as they were weak people who were completely fearful of Lord’s wrath.

Maybe it’s the effects of 2 hotdogs, a hamburger and two VERY large margaritas - but is this not an excellent description of Casey, and those of the Anthony crew?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Hello everyone - Happy 4th.

I just finished an excellent book, The Other Side of the Night, by Daniel Allen Butler. Its the story of the Titanic and two other ships that had significant roles in the early morning sinking of the Titanic - one very good, and one very, very bad, specifically the despicable actions of the captain of the Californian, Stanley Lord, who not only ignored the many distress signals from the Titanic, but also directed his crew to leave the area while plotting - very badly - to give the appearance that they never saw, and therefore were never in position to help, the Titanic.

Mr. Butler not only detailed what Captain Lord did, he also offered an explanation as to why he did it - which just jumped out at me...he deemed Captain Lord to be a sociopath and wrote:

“a sociopath is defined as someone who displays a certain set of distinguishing characteristic, among them deceit, a tendency to be manipulative, a failure to plan ahead or anticipate consequences, aggressiveness, a reckless disregard for the safety of others, and the lack of remorse for any injury to others which might result from their actions or inactions”

“Another symptom of a sociopath is a disdain for authority when its requirements seem inconvenient”

“Another major characteristic of a sociopath; duplicity coupled with a lack of remorse”

"The only genuine reality for a sociopath is their own self preservaton; at no time will such a person place themselves in a position of real or perceived danger"

Mr. Butler also detailed the actions Captain Lord’s officers, who went along with Lord’s instructions, even though they had to have known how wrong their actions that night were. He found that the officers were perfect foils for Lord as they were weak people who were completely fearful of Lord’s wrath.

Maybe it’s the effects of 2 hotdogs, a hamburger and two VERY large margaritas - but is this not am excellent description of CA, and those of the Anthony crew?

Yes, yes, yes. And are you sure none of their names were Anthony?

 

[Brini]

You may be right. Unless the OP stated to keep the psych out of it. Something along the lines of

What fantasy lines did KC tell others about herself and her life.

She told everyone she had a job ........ she told friends she had 15K in a bank account.

Or list the fantasies of KC's world that you would include if you were writing a book about her life.

I don't know if this is even what mama and snow walker had in mind ......... ignore me if I am wrong. Won't hurt my feelings if ya do

Well, now there WILL be book about her life.

And, she can play parts of many NEW characters-- Tats Bertha, Irma the Fence.....

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I can't remember which appearances I heard this from, considering how many damn appearances the As have done, but I remember when both GA and CA (on separate shows) were trying to say what Caylees favourite things were, and they listed every disney movie known to man, and cartoons but that's about it. Sounds like she was just plopped in front of the TV to babysit her.

My nephew (who is not too much older than Caylee) was sort of the same in the sense that he was raised by adults and didn't have much interaction with children until he started going to school, with the exception of the weekly park visit.... but I can name a gajillion things he loves to do. Sure, he loves the cartoons but he would much rather be playing outside, drawing with side walk chalk, riding his bike..etc etc... I could go on forever.

Aside from the pool, it didn't sound like anyone hung out with Caylee for fun activities. On the Caylee is missing myspace.. it seemed like they hardly knew what her favorite things were. They had listed less than a handful of things she liked... as if they really didn't know.

Sorry for rambling.. I had one of those 5hr energy shots too early this A.M :bang:

Your post reminded me of one of the A's interviews when they had folks still looking for Caylee and someone had asked what she liked or something and their reply was green beans out of the can. Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your "missing" Grandbaby likes green beans. I thought to myself at the time, you people are useless ( I had already formed an opinion) you want people all over the United States to be on the lookout for a green bean eating 2 year old.....puhleeze!

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Axis IIs tend to be histrionic.

Think: Two-year old, in an adult body.

In my house, naughty 2 year olds get spankings!

 

[spyhouston]

Ok...random thought I had today, but it does go toward the psych profile...and clearly tells me something is very much amiss with CA's psyche, for lack of a better word...but so telling all the same...who snatches $200 from a wallet while LE is in your house investigating the "kidnapping" of your granddaughter? I mean, the walls are crashing down around you, and you have money on your mind? Where's the panic, the grief, the torment? Clearly, at least to me at this point, they knew something. It seems that their behavior at that moment in time...and the days thereafter...they had reconciled "something" in their minds. I know grief can make you do and say some crazy things...but when there is a baby involved? It's mind-numbing!! And she gets sticky fingers?

You are so right about the $200 CA snatched being a perfect example of how cold, calculating, mean, and every other word I can think of to describe CA's behavior. I mean, I was just floored she did that, especially after she had just spent quite a bit of time with poor AH hearing about how her daughter had ripped the girl off.........I wish she had said to LA, here, take the $200 and make sure you get it to AH, she deserves to get a little bit of her $$ back. But no, CA lines her own pocket. Sooo selfish, sooo mean. And, the scariest part of all, I doubt that CA would see she did anything wrong by grabbing that cash.

 

[metalcrystal]

You are so right about the $200 CA snatched being a perfect example of how cold, calculating, mean, and every other word I can think of to describe CA's behavior. I mean, I was just floored she did that, especially after she had just spent quite a bit of time with poor AH hearing about how her daughter had ripped the girl off.........I wish she had said to LA, here, take the $200 and make sure you get it to AH, she deserves to get a little bit of her $$ back. But no, CA lines her own pocket. Sooo selfish, sooo mean. And, the scariest part of all, I doubt that CA would see she did anything wrong by grabbing that cash.

Just taking back what's hers, right? She could give a carp about AH. She was conning Amy, too. trying to get info from her, then telling LE that Amy was part of a powerful drug ring that kidnapped Caylee. Poor Amy thought Cindy was being nice to her, she even told one of her friend that "I would do anything for the family ( to help find Caylee.)" Cindy worked her good," hon." Thats the Anthony MO, use, use, accuse, accuse.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Your post reminded me of one of the A's interviews when they had folks still looking for Caylee and someone had asked what she liked or something and their reply was green beans out of the can. Really? That's the best you can come up with? Your "missing" Grandbaby likes green beans. I thought to myself at the time, you people are useless ( I had already formed an opinion) you want people all over the United States to be on the lookout for a green bean eating 2 year old.....puhleeze!

This statement about Caylee liking green beans is pretty much representative of all the other comments they have made about Caylee. I remember Cindy, in the depo, saying that Caylee was such a good girl that no one really asked for money while watching her, or something to that effect. PLEASE, give me a friggin break ! I don't care how good a child is, if you have a babysitter, or "nanny", they are going to expect some pay for watching said child.

 

[Searchfortruth]

You are so right about the $200 CA snatched being a perfect example of how cold, calculating, mean, and every other word I can think of to describe CA's behavior. I mean, I was just floored she did that, especially after she had just spent quite a bit of time with poor AH hearing about how her daughter had ripped the girl off.........I wish she had said to LA, here, take the $200 and make sure you get it to AH, she deserves to get a little bit of her $$ back. But no, CA lines her own pocket. Sooo selfish, sooo mean. And, the scariest part of all, I doubt that CA would see she did anything wrong by grabbing that cash.

And...she waited until no cops were in the room when she reached in and took that cash ! What a sense of entitlement !

 

[Brini]

This statement about Caylee liking green beans is pretty much representative of all the other comments they have made about Caylee. I remember Cindy, in the depo, saying that Caylee was such a good girl that no one really asked for money while watching her, or something to that effect. PLEASE, give me a friggin break ! I don't care how good a child is, if you have a babysitter, or "nanny", they are going to expect some pay for watching said child.

Also, a 2-year old who is good ALL of the time has got something wrong.

(even if one DID exist

 

[Brini]

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Just taking back what's hers, right? She could give a carp about AH. She was conning Amy, too. trying to get info from her, then telling LE that Amy was part of a powerful drug ring that kidnapped Caylee. Poor Amy thought Cindy was being nice to her, she even told one of her friend that "I would do anything for the family ( to help find Caylee.)" Cindy worked her good," hon." Thats the Anthony MO, use, use, accuse, accuse.

I dunno, it's natural for a rat to grab a hunk of cheese. It doesn't care to whom the cheese belongs.

 

[MAMABEAR]

And...she waited until no cops were in the room when she reached in and took that cash ! What a sense of entitlement !

I thought she took it while the cop was watching.

 

[Brini]

I thought she took it while the cop was watching.

I thought so, too. Was surprised that the cop let her take ANYTHING.

 

[MAMABEAR]

They cleaned the old Caylee up when they cleaned the car. Then they recreated a brand new Caylee---one who wasn't killed by her mother---all traces of the old Caylee were washed, like the bedding that CA kept washing---washin that baby down the drain. They don't have many memories of the old Caylee because if CA has memories then she has to member all the mess surrounding the Old Caylee---GA did for awhile but CA will fix GA to where he sees the New Caylee and not the Old Caylee. If CA talks about memories then she has to remember what really happened---KC killed the Old Caylee---they started the book/chapter/script all over---brand new.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I thought she took it while the cop was watching.

This is the part of Lee's interview that covers the "taking of the money" by Mom Cindy...BBM.


LA, "When my mother at that point had opened up my sister's wallet, she had actually already opened up my sister's wallet because she was looking through the contents of this large wallet, saw unfolded, it had to be a minimum of a hundred and forty, maybe as much as two hundred dollars just from seeing the number of bills, straight twenty dollar bills that were taken out. And the reason why I know the officer wasn't in there is because my mom grabs the money and goes, and put it in her pocket. And no one else was in there.

Page 1448

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5798172/Casey-Anthony-Lee-Anthony-Transcript

 

[MAMABEAR]

Thanks! When did the cop get the ID? I thought thats when it happened.