Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

[LFlorida]

Baez again blames someone else for KC's actions...Now it's the states fault because they are seeking the DP! Would the costs of this trial go down substantially if the state didn't seek a DP conviction? Did he not know this a year ago? Can they not sell anymore vids or photos? Have the media finally said enough, due to the actions of the grandparents, too many lies spread to sell their side, the media may want to distance themselves from the blame game of hell...:furious: <snip>

Perhaps Mr. Baez is trying to say that his client would have been more likely to accept a plea deal had the death penalty not been raised. Not that I believe that, but it could imply an admission of her guilt.

Nevertheless, the fact remains -

If the media had not willingly latched onto this story, it would be over and done with at a much lower cost, financial and otherwise.

As fascinating and intriguing as this has been, I fear that the media frenzy and the public's interest has contributed to a denial of justice for Caylee. [Does anybody remember her?]

We [as a society] have blurred the lines between reality TV and real life. We all know that contrived situations are inserted into reality tv programming to keep us coming back for more. imo - the same has been done in both the Haleigh and Caylee cases. Sometimes the artifices have been contrived by celebrity-seeking frauds and misguided [mentally ill] hangers-on. imo - It is the responsibility of every news/media outlet to exert editorial control over what they choose to expose their audience to.

TMZ and The National Enquirer will continue their schtick.
After a while, MSM is forced to latch onto the story. And FOR WHAT?!

JMO - We created a monster and now we are paying for it. I don't know that the law enforcement and judicial system will ever be the same.

[Anybody remember when it was embarrassing to admit to reading the Natl Enq? I do.]

End of sermon. With the author's apologies.

 

[Intermezzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA3c3TWWMJs

(excerpt from pp. 70 – 71 0f rough draft of deposition given by James Hoover to John Morgan on 3/25/2009 in the civil suit by Zenaida Gonzales against Casey Anthony)

9 Q In the course of your time spent here as a
10 public citizen volunteering, did you ever come to
11 understand that ABC news had given the Anthonys or José
12 Baez money?
13 A I didn't know that to be a fact, no, sir.
14 Q Have you heard that?
15 A I heard -- I had heard that -- oh, that money
16 was given to the Anthonys, no, no, sir.
17 Q To anyone?
18 A Uhm, I had heard that money had been given to
19 the attorney for some individual -- I don't know if it
20 was given to the attorney or to Casey for some videos
21 that was on ABC news.
22 Q José Baez received money?
23 A Yes, sir, I think so. I heard that. I don't
24 know for sure.
25 Q Hearsay?
Rough Draft - 71
1 A Yes, sir.
2 Q Was it 200,000 dollars? Was that number you
3 heard?
4 A 200 or 225. I heard both numbers.
5 Q Was paid to José Baez by ABC News?
6 A Yes, sir.
7 Q And what was your understanding that that
8 money was paid for?
9 A Some videotapes that were released.
10 Q Okay.
11 A Again, hearsay.
12 Q Of course. Who told you that?
13 A Dominic Casey.
14 Q Pretty good hearsay.

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I haven't read the whole thread yet...but I wished to chirp in and ask how filing for indigency will affect the Civil Case?
I do believe Morgan and Morgan will still pursue the civil case, but I was just wondering.

 

[JBean]

Now to be fair to her. Pro Bono simply means that she is providing her personal services free of charge. Sh she is not drawing any personal payments. There are however operational costs involved with depositions expert witnesses, filings etc. Court reporters need to be hired and paid, lab tests need to be paid for, document copies need to be paid for etc. A pro bono attorney does not pay this out of their pocket.

Exactly.
I would think the costs associated with a capital case would be astronomical aside from attorny fees. I am going to read the linked article someone supplied to get a better handle on:
1. What average costs (aside from atty fees) would be for an average capital case
2.What a death qualified PD would cost
3. Are these costs in line with most capital cases?
I do not know how any of this compares with the average case and if i were a taxpayer that is what I would be interested in finding out.
I don't think this whole thing is all that uncommon, I know it happens here in CA.

 

[essies]

Exactly.
I would think the costs associated with a capital case would be astronomical aside from attorny fees. I am going to read the linked article someone supplied to get a better handle on:
1. What average costs (aside from atty fees) would be for an average capital case
2.What a death qualified PD would cost
3. Are these costs in line with most capital cases?
I do not know how any of this compares with the average case and if i were a taxpayer that is what I would be interested in finding out.
I don't think this whole thing is all that uncommon, I know it happens here in CA.

Here's an interesting site for dp cases for Fla and other states.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Florida
Florida Spends Millions Extra per Year on Death Penalty

Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates by the Palm Beach Post. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose death sentences are overturned on appeal. ("The High Price of Killing Killers," Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000)

 

[essies]

IMO This is the way that the defense is trying to pressure the state to take the dp off the table - by putting pressure on the prosecution by way of public pressure. I would have no problem with life w/o parole-I'm no fan of the death penalty. But, I absolutely believe KC deserves life w/o parole and nothing less!!:furious:
http://www.floridabar.org/DIVCOM/JN...bce3cb33c0857da4852576ce0066f7b4!OpenDocument

Take a hard look at the real cost of the death penalty
By Jan Pudlow
<snipped>
Can Florida continue to afford the death penalty?
Rex Dimmig, chief assistant public defender of the 10th Judicial Circuit in Bartow, brought that question to a recent Senate Criminal and Civil Justice Appropriations Committee meeting.

On behalf of the Florida Public Defender Association, Dimmig called for a moratorium on the death penalty.

“We discovered that the most expensive, most time-consuming, and least cost-effective service we provided was representation in death penalty cases,” Dimmig told the committee

 

[affinity]

The events thus far in this case are like a microcosm of the past two and 1/2 decades. The media circus in the beginning of the case can be compared to the "Reagan years" or the dot com years where everyone was in the chips and spending money like there was no end in sight ...and now the revelation that everyone is out of money is exactly like the US economy right now--tanked.

What is really going to be interesting is the resulting "esteem" of the defense. I know myself that if I have money I feel great and powerful and if I am broke (and other people know it) my sense of "power" diminishes. Will it be the same for the defense? Now that Baez can no longer pretend to be a successful brilliant attorney--ala Johnny Cochran, will he lose his motivation?

Will this public come-up-ness ("indigence") remove that smirk from his face?

 

[Chiquita71]

Someone had stated earlier that they beleive this is a set up for a plea and that the state may agree to it because of costs.

I for one hope that does not happen, with all the emotions invested in this case and all the arguments about Casey being innocent by her parents and others, I want this to go to court. I want this to play out, I want all the evidence laid out, I want to hear the defense prove that she is not guilty, and I want a jury of 12 of her peers to decide whether she is guilty or not once and for all, that way we never have to hear that Casey just pleaded guilty because she had to, or because she couldn't pay to defend herself, or anything else. I want Caylee to have her day in court, and I want everything that Caylee went through put out there right in front of the Anthony's so that they will know what all of us already know.

Quote Respect butterfly

Yes! Here you expressed my feelings to a "t" perfectly. Thank you.

:twocents:
It's always about money. How different would justice be if there was no money involved? How different would the world be if there was no money involved?

...JS...

 

[JBean]

Here's an interesting site for dp cases for Fla and other states.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

Florida
Florida Spends Millions Extra per Year on Death Penalty

Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates by the Palm Beach Post. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose death sentences are overturned on appeal. ("The High Price of Killing Killers," Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000)

Oh there is no doubt that states like FL and CA spend way too much money on the DP. The systems are broken and it is a waste. It is the appellate side of it that sends it over the top, imo. So I am trying to primarily look at the pre conviction numbers.

 

[technicalconfusion]

IMO This is the way that the defense is trying to pressure the state to take the dp off the table - by putting pressure on the prosecution by way of public pressure. I would have no problem with life w/o parole-I'm no fan of the death penalty. But, I absolutely believe KC deserves life w/o parole and nothing less!!:furious:

I am pro dp, but in this case, I am fine with lwop. I think KC will suffer more. Especially if she's in general pop.

 

[Macushla]

JB filed a motion to declare KC indigent - if it is approved, KC will be said to have indigent status

Where do I go to ask someone to have my status changed? I want my status changed to INDIGNANT status over this whole thing!!! :furious:

 

[essies]

JB filed a motion to declare KC indigent - if it is approved, KC will be said to have indigent status

Where do I go to ask someone to have my status changed? I want my status changed to INDIGNANT status over this whole thing!!! :furious:

BBM
I'm sure G&C would have some answers for ya!:innocent:

 

[LFlorida]

JB filed a motion to declare KC indigent - if it is approved, KC will be said to have indigent status

Where do I go to ask someone to have my status changed? I want my status changed to INDIGNANT status over this whole thing!!! :furious:

Whereas the petitioner Macushia has begged the Court for a change in status to INDIGNANT, and

Whereas petitioner has fulfilled the necessary requirements for such a change in status,

The change is hereby granted to Macushia who shall heretofore be recognized as an INDIGNANT party to the case at hand.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Oh there is no doubt that states like FL and CA spend way too much money on the DP. The systems are broken and it is a waste. It is the appellate side of it that sends it over the top, imo. So I am trying to primarily look at the pre conviction numbers.

Texas seems to have a very streamlined system.. do they spend any more/less than Florida per person?

 

[The World According]

Well the defense team got what they wanted from their use of words in their little press spin...everyone to debate the death penalty.

Casey was going to ask to be declared indigent as sure as the sun comes up in the morning......regardless. The witness list for the prosecution would still include the same people, TES volunteers numbers would still be huge, depositions in the state of Florida would still cost whatever they do, the experts expenses would still be astronomical.....no way in the world would two hundred grand have lasted for the years this murder case will take. Yes, having to prepare for the penalty phase in a death penalty case will be expensive beyond belief...but the fact remains......
the money she had, if the figure of 200K is correct...would not have sufficed, period. So....unless there was some mystery donor to step forward....this was inevitable. I am certain. Don't be fooled by the defense throwing out a few buzz words...their argument is .....as usual ..in the words of Mrs. Drane-Burdick.."A farce!!"
The reason for this request of Miss Anthony's has no more to do with the death penalty than her trial has in common with the Salem Witch Trials. This is one of Andrea's specialties..buzz words for the media..trust me.
(just my opinion)

 

[Macushla]

Whereas the petitioner Macushia has begged the Court for a change in status to INDIGNANT, and

Whereas petitioner has fulfilled the necessary requirements for such a change in status,

The change is hereby granted to Macushia who shall heretofore be recognized as an INDIGNANT party to the case at hand.

Oh thank you, that's just great. Um, er, the only problem is I don't have enough money to pay you for getting my status changed, but you don't mind, right? :crazy:

 

[LFlorida]

Oh thank you, that's just great. Um, er, the only problem is I don't have enough money to pay you for getting my status changed, but you don't mind, right? :crazy:

Pro bono and [whatever that Latin phrase is for Friend of the Court - amicus something.]

You only owe me $22.5k for my necessary expenses.

 

[The World According]

Texas seems to have a very streamlined system.. do they spend any more/less than Florida per person?

I am not from here...so it is with tongue in cheek that I use these southern sayings.....but I always like to kid you guys that in Texas...this would have been over on ...day thirty two...the good ole boys here, having foregone the trial process..would have just said

GET A ROPE!!!

Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center
WWW.deathpenaltyinfo.org ( ON THIS SITE YOU CAN LOOK UNDER THE LEFT HAND SIDE...STATE BY STATE )

 

[twomanywords]

OK,
This may be a dumb question but....
Over the last year the defense has had ample opportunity to depose, gather witness lists and examine evidence, so WHY wasn't it done?
They had the money.
What bothers me is the dragging of their collective feet and that they knew to postpone doing anything for so long, they'd request indigence and then defer all their costs.
This is the most reprehensible part, almost like someone planning to claim bankruptcy while going on a shopping spree right before they do.
I really hope they are held accountable for the costs incurred so far and asked why they waited a year to examine evidence and witnesses!

 

[LFlorida]

Well the defense team got what they wanted from their use of words in their little press spin...everyone to debate the death penalty.
<snip by LF>

You are absolutely right. [And very smart.]

imo --- jmo ---- moo

 

[JBean]

Texas seems to have a very streamlined system.. do they spend any more/less than Florida per person?

I am sure they do because their systems are not broken. CA &FL either need to fix it or do away with it.