Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

[Omachka]

New here,so if I am wrong,please correct me.At Thursday's hearing,when JP asked JB about
the mitigation specialist,he requested her hours,monies paid etc iirc.When JB responded
he did not address this,and JP called a sidebar.which after he advised JB that he would
go over everything with a fine tooth comb.I think JP is aware of JB sloppy bookkeeping
but does not want to delay the trial with the money issues,but I think after the trial
JB will have som explaining to do JMO

Hi Whome and welcome to Websleuths. I think that JP will be wanting an itemized list "like yesterday" and JB will be explaining before the trial if it's bad. I don't think that JP will want to risk an appeal in the case though so he went ahead and authorized some expenses. If JB lied in open court about his expenses and fees, he will be explaining to the Bar and not within this case. He could be in some big trouble if he lied to the Judge IMO.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

So was anything accomplished in the indigency hearing with JS? I don't understand how it got to this point. Could JP still look into where all of that money went? I mean this is just glaring and obvious and in your face - over 300k and next to nothing done, not to mention it's been 2 years...What other profession would allow this and not start yanking licenses??

 

[MD MOMMY]

I thought the judge said something to JB about the remaining money was spent on experts and investigators. But that would be about $234,000. That is a lot of money when their experts have not even looked at the physical evidence SA has. If KC received $200,000 from ABC, $70, 000 from TM, $70,000 from AL and $5,000 from a donor and JB and AL's expenses amount to $111,000 where's the rest?????

I believe JP wants JB to give an accounting as to where the rest of the money was spent and break it down with actual records as this is what JAC wants and that is why JB wants this meeting in camera. At least that is what I understood. Feel free to correct me if I misheard. Thanks

$70K from AL??? I think AL stated that she is about 70K deep in this case. I don't think that was money KC actually received. If I'm wrong then that's news to me in a big way:waitasec: In any event, how come the accounting for this money is so loose? There is more money missing then "accounted" for. I just don't get it.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Who paid for all of Andrea's Law Students to attend the hearings????????????

 

[Sun]

Lyon is employed by DePaul University, and I would guess that she is fiscal agent (since her title is Director) and has a budget to work within. Sounds to me as if she testified that she approved expenditures of approx. $70,000 out of her budget, yet only received a "gift" or "donation" of $22,500 and that computers were purchased from that money.

Departments budgets are normally very detailed, and the "equipment" money is very hard to get from the State. That's why when Lyon mentioned in court, that PCs were purchased, I concluded that the State of Illinois (and any donations or grants), were being used to fund her efforts in Casey's defense.

 

[wonders]

Who paid for all of Andrea's Law Students to attend the hearings????????????

Her students were at the hearings?

 

[Aedrys]

Lyon is employed by DePaul University, and I would guess that she is fiscal agent (since her title is Director) and has a budget to work within. Sounds to me as if she testified that she approved expenditures of approx. $70,000 out of her budget, yet only received a "gift" or "donation" of $22,500 and that computers were purchased from that money.

Departments budgets are normally very detailed, and the "equipment" money is very hard to get from the State. That's why when Lyon mentioned in court, that PCs were purchased, I concluded that the State of Illinois (and any donations or grants), were being used to fund her efforts in Casey's defense.

Yeah, and with crappy economy and the dwindling state budgets each year, I'm wondering how the state of Illinois afforded to give her a budget of 70,000 dollars. How many jobs had to be cut to give her that I wonder? I don't think Illinois could have afforded that at the state level, but I could be wrong.

 

[spqr]

Yeah, and with crappy economy and the dwindling state budgets each year, I'm wondering how the state of Illinois afforded to give her a budget of 70,000 dollars. How many jobs had to be cut to give her that I wonder? I don't think Illinois could have afforded that at the state level, but I could be wrong.

I believe that money came from a fund used for death penalty case. The monies were all from donations.

 

[Aedrys]

I believe that money came from a fund used for death penalty case. The monies were all from donations.

I hope you're right. It peeves me the thought that another state would give funds to this case. It's bad enough the state of Florida has to pay for this mess now.

 

[TrY]

How much of the $340,000 dollars (that the defense has already spent) is considered Casey's income and how much state or federal taxes will or would she have to pay on the amount?

Now that the state of Florida is picking up the tab for Casey's defense, does that amount that gets shelled out by the JAC, is that going to also be considered as Casey's taxable income?

Does anyone know?

 

[Spangle]

Yeah, and with crappy economy and the dwindling state budgets each year, I'm wondering how the state of Illinois afforded to give her a budget of 70,000 dollars. How many jobs had to be cut to give her that I wonder? I don't think Illinois could have afforded that at the state level, but I could be wrong.

The state didn't. She is also involved in a Law Clinic that recieves donations. It is these donations that is funding her efforts in the KC case. She has spent more on this case, then she has received in donations, and is in the hole at this moment.

I think the clinic specializes in DP. Ending it, might be one of their focus. Or the direction she is taking it. If her group is known for it, then she would receive donations from those wanting to end DP.

I doubt anyone in that clinic receives a paycheck for their 'work'. For the students, it's about experience. The major cost would be travel and supplies.

Which might account for where the money came from to send the students there. And since Mig Spec is a friend of AL, might be how she has been getting her expenses paid to date.

 

[Spangle]

How much of the $340,000 dollars (that the defense has already spent) is considered Casey's income and how much state or federal taxes will or would she have to pay on the amount?

Now that the state of Florida is picking up the tab for Casey's defense, does that amount that gets shelled out by the JAC, is that going to also be considered as Casey's taxable income?

Does anyone know?

Oh Gawd! I was thinking about this last night. Wondering if she filed a tax return, showing that she made that amount. If she didn't.. then that would be JB's bad!

That would make a excellent news article.. would it not...

 

[joypath]

The state didn't. She is also involved in a Law Clinic that recieves donations. It is these donations that is funding her efforts in the KC case. She has spent more on this case, then she has received in donations, and is in the hole at this moment.

I think the clinic specializes in DP. Ending it, might be one of their focus. Or the direction she is taking it. If her group is known for it, then she would receive donations from those wanting to end DP.

I doubt anyone in that clinic receives a paycheck for their 'work'. For the students, it's about experience. The major cost would be travel and supplies.

Which might account for where the money came from to send the students there. And since Mig Spec is a friend of AL, might be how she has been getting her expenses paid to date.

Speaking now for an irate overworked :banghead: prosecutor graduate of DePaul U. who wishes to proclaim loudly that it is a Vincentian university aka Roman Catholic heritage a la St. Vincent de Paul (a great French priest philanthropist!!!!), not a state facility and a big East Conference! (LOL). :woohoo: The "AL infamous Law Clinic" is actually part of the school's clinical programs which provides "hands-on" experiences for 2nd-3rd yr students, funding is multi-layered, donations are constantly:furious: solicited :furious: ( & IGNORED by my associate!) and yes, there ARE paid employees under the clinical programs.
AND.....yep, there does appear to many that a march on the death penalty abolition is afoot with Ms "not so subtle" :croc: Lyon as the cheerleader du jour. (en Francaise pour Ste. Vincent de Paul, mais oui!).:dance:

PS: the emoticons are HIS additions! (except this one :truce

 

[rotterdam]

The state didn't. She is also involved in a Law Clinic that recieves donations. It is these donations that is funding her efforts in the KC case. She has spent more on this case, then she has received in donations, and is in the hole at this moment.

I think the clinic specializes in DP. Ending it, might be one of their focus. Or the direction she is taking it. If her group is known for it, then she would receive donations from those wanting to end DP.

I doubt anyone in that clinic receives a paycheck for their 'work'. For the students, it's about experience. The major cost would be travel and supplies.

Which might account for where the money came from to send the students there. And since Mig Spec is a friend of AL, might be how she has been getting her expenses paid to date.

I bet you are right. The $70.000 that Lyon spent over time probably went to Jeanene Barrett(Mit Spec) and Mort Smith, out of state PI for travel expenses etc. Both are intertwined/associated with Andrea Lyon. It is probably a coincidence that the amount is equal to the 70 grand from Macolusi(spelling? the barred CA attorney)

 

[rotterdam]

As to where all the money went, remember that Andrea Lyon got her travel expenses paid even though she is pro bono for her billable hours. I wonder if all the other out of state experts, remember the congregation at the crime scene of various experts, did not get their expenses paid by Baez from the blood money. Like air travel, hotels, rental cars, meals etc, Henry Lee included. Why only Andrea? All those expenses can add up mighty fast even tough technically , the experts can claim pro bono because they do not charge for their hours dedicated to this case.

 

[Spangle]

Speaking now for an irate overworked :banghead: prosecutor graduate of DePaul U. who wishes to proclaim loudly that it is a Vincentian university aka Roman Catholic heritage a la St. Vincent de Paul (a great French priest philanthropist!!!!), not a state facility and a big East Conference! (LOL). :woohoo: The "AL infamous Law Clinic" is actually part of the school's clinical programs which provides "hands-on" experiences for 2nd-3rd yr students, funding is multi-layered, donations are constantly:furious: solicited :furious: ( & IGNORED by my associate!) and yes, there ARE paid employees under the clinical programs.
AND.....yep, there does appear to many that a march on the death penalty abolition is afoot with Ms "not so subtle" :croc: Lyon as the cheerleader du jour. (en Francaise pour Ste. Vincent de Paul, mais oui!).:dance:

PS: the emoticons are HIS additions! (except this one :truce

Thanks for the more detailed and more accurate explanation.

 

[Whome?]

How much of the $340,000 dollars (that the defense has already spent) is considered Casey's income and how much state or federal taxes will or would she have to pay on the amount?

Now that the state of Florida is picking up the tab for Casey's defense, does that amount that gets shelled out by the JAC, is that going to also be considered as Casey's taxable income?

Does anyone know?

Excellent thought,if JB had control of this money,with CA in prison,she would
not be expected to file and pay taxes,and since the taxpayers of Florida are
paying for her defense,she might as well "chip" in her portion for her defense
monies,everyone else in Florida is paying for it. I hope Kathy B asks this question the next time she sees JB:waitasec:

 

[MD MOMMY]

As to where all the money went, remember that Andrea Lyon got her travel expenses paid even though she is pro bono for her billable hours. I wonder if all the other out of state experts, remember the congregation at the crime scene of various experts, did not get their expenses paid by Baez from the blood money. Like air travel, hotels, rental cars, meals etc, Henry Lee included. Why only Andrea? All those expenses can add up mighty fast even tough technically , the experts can claim pro bono because they do not charge for their hours dedicated to this case.

HL need not worry,he is about to cash in to the tune of almost $70k himself. IMHO, JB knew KC was going to become indigent. While HL was pro bono when it came to KC paying him, he is not pro bono when the state is footing the bill. It was all planned out, everyone knew the cash truck would be a comin'. JMO:furious:

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

So was anything accomplished in the indigency hearing with JS? I don't understand how it got to this point. Could JP still look into where all of that money went? I mean this is just glaring and obvious and in your face - over 300k and next to nothing done, not to mention it's been 2 years...What other profession would allow this and not start yanking licenses??

I’m afraid I have to disagree that next to nothing has been done by the defense and their experts. JB stated in court that most of his experts have completed over 60% of their work, and some even more than that. There have been a multitude of motions filed by the defense, many of these have to be filed as stated by our own lawyers here at WS. It was not that long ago that JS finally said to both sides “you will turn over ALL discovery by a certain date.” It would have been impossible for the defense to complete all their work until after they had received all the discovery. Depositions would have been somewhat useless until the defense had all the discovery, they could not have known what questions to ask until they had the discovery. It seems that gamesmanship from both sides has played a part in why more work on this case has not been completed. Judge Perry has put a stop to all that, and if JB was foolish enough to have LIED to JP in that hearing about how much work had been completed, I think there will be Hedoublehockeysticks to pay for him doing so. The defense did a lot of work in getting the RK motion ready, and they have attempted to do work on the TES records and Joe Jordan situation. I think both sides have done an awful lot of work on this case, and I think JP will now get both sides to focus their energies on completing the work that needs to be completed and get this case to trial by May of next year. JP has stated quite clearly, that he will be going over the billing with a fine toothed comb, so the good taxpayers of Florida do not get fleeced, and I, for one, am quite confident that JP is fully capable of making sure the defense does not overcharge the state. KC has been declared indigent and JP will do everything within his legal power to ensure she receives a fair trial, and at the same time he will also do everything within his legal power to keep the cost to the taxpayers as low as he legally can, while ensuring she receives a fair trial. All of the above is MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

I’m afraid I have to disagree that next to nothing has been done by the defense and their experts. JB stated in court that most of his experts have completed over 60% of their work, and some even more than that. There have been a multitude of motions filed by the defense, many of these have to be filed as stated by our own lawyers here at WS. It was not that long ago that JS finally said to both sides “you will turn over ALL discovery by a certain date.” It would have been impossible for the defense to complete all their work until after they had received all the discovery. Depositions would have been somewhat useless until the defense had all the discovery, they could not have known what questions to ask until they had the discovery. It seems that gamesmanship from both sides has played a part in why more work on this case has not been completed. Judge Perry has put a stop to all that, and if JB was foolish enough to have LIED to JP in that hearing about how much work had been completed, I think there will be Hedoublehockeysticks to pay for him doing so. The defense did a lot of work in getting the RK motion ready, and they have attempted to do work on the TES records and Joe Jordan situation. I think both sides have done an awful lot of work on this case, and I think JP will now get both sides to focus their energies on completing the work that needs to be completed and get this case to trial by May of next year. JP has stated quite clearly, that he will be going over the billing with a fine toothed comb, so the good taxpayers of Florida do not get fleeced, and I, for one, am quite confident that JP is fully capable of making sure the defense does not overcharge the state. KC has been declared indigent and JP will do everything within his legal power to ensure she receives a fair trial, and at the same time he will also do everything within his legal power to keep the cost to the taxpayers as low as he legally can, while ensuring she receives a fair trial. All of the above is MOO

You bring up some interesting thoughts. Did the defence ever submit any evidence? I know they had a deadline from JS, but I believe that has come and gone. And they have had all the discovery SA has for a number of months. Do you think then that the Defense doesn't have and won't have any discovery of their own?