Casey "playing" with Caylee (video)

[OneLostGrl]

I respect your opinion but I'm afraid I can't agree. She was able to make decisions about stealing money, not just from family but also friends, and make up jobs and nannies. Just look at/listen to the tapes of her interactions with her family when she is in jail - that anger is definitely not learned helplessness -"huge waste" etc. It seems to me that G&C are afraid of her, not the other way around.

What we see is a person who has never been held accountable for their actions therefore has no fear of possible consequences. Children are not born knowing right from wrong, we must teach them by setting limits, allowing them a certain level of learning by cause and effect, by not shielding them from their own every day frustrations, by modeling the behaviors we expect from them. (If you wish to teach your child not to lie then you shouldn't lie either.) To teach children cause and effect, to help create a certain amount of respect for consequences in our children it's pretty important to be consistent in our treatment of certain behaviors. There has to be something keeping a person from doing something wrong, they have to fear the consequences of some things, such as stealing or having unprotected sex or breaking laws.

They caused all kinds of damage to their child from the first time they began cleaning up her messes for her and allowing it to continue with no accountability. You may not see it the same way but in the opinion of many (myself included) that is a form of emotional abuse, of neglect, of setting a child up for future failures. They didn't create a killer but they created a person who had no respect for anything- including them- and it's their own fault. I too feel very sorry for them- all of 'em!

 

[annmarie62]

Respectfully snipped...

Soju, completely agree. My family album contains a lovely black and white of me circa 18 months, in one of those wind-up swing rockers, head tilted back, and both little paws wrapped around a can of Falstaff beer which to all appearances I am chugging to my wee heart's delight. It was empty, but God forbid I ever go into politics.

It's really the ones where KC is alone with her daughter that are so chillingly abnormal.

LOL!!! I guess I'm showing my age, because I remember Falstaff beer! My dad owned nightclubs when I was growing up in the 70's, and he constantly brought home "toys" for his 5 kids to play with that he got from his beer/liquor distributors-- things like HUGE inflatable plastic "bottles" of beer! I remember my older brother -at age 9!- having a HUGE collection of "Falstaff Man" stickers (this cartoony guy on a surfboard, for ex, chugging a brewski!) on his bedroom door, and boy, was he proud of them- still have those Polaroid pictures, dontcha know! More ON-topic-- it's weird reading the comments re. the pic of young Casey w/the pigtails; I thought she looked so cute... and I do think it's mean to refer to her as an "ugly" kid, that's just not productive in any way, IMO.

 

[annmarie62]

...sorry- forgot to add in my previous post up "top"-- I DO totally agree that the "Caylee dancing" video is disturbing, as Casey does not interact with her AT ALL. When Caylee went over to the stereo, I kept waiting for her mom to say (as I would)- "NO! We don't touch that!"... but... nothing. So sad.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Thanks everyone for sharing and joining in a civil discussion :woohoo:

See, my opinion is that there are things wrong with the videos.
Casey didn't interact with Caylee one on one while filming her, but hams it up on film when other people are around? Caylee's second birthday party video, to me, was so disturbing!

Someone instigates Caylee to get mom with her sticky fingers and Casey seems to snap into what we now know as the real Casey; and says "No." "she did that last year..." so when Cindy swipes Casey's face with Caylee icing hand, Casey wipes it down Caylee's face, then tries to get it on Cindy's. Cindy eats off Caylee's fingers so Casey does.
Cindy wipes Caylee down with a paper towel as Casey holds her, then grabs a wet rag and Casey grabs the wet rag from Cindy while she is wiping Caylee down and says "my turn".

She also appears annoyed because Caylee wouldn't give her a kiss when she stuck her lips out.

The video of Casey and Caylee proves, IMO, that Casey was very capable of putting on a show in front of others. She knew how a good mother should appear, for the most part. The videos of Caylee, by herself, where Casey was filming were scary. If you didn't know Casey was the one holding the camera, you wouldn't even know she was there. What does that say about her ? Did she abandon the act of feigned motherhood when others were not around, I believe so. This is what worries me about all the times Casey was with Caylee alone. If this was how uninvolved Casey was when a video was rolling, how uninvolved was she when there was no video ?

The video of the icing incident struck me as strange the very first time I saw it. Casey mimicked Cindy's behavior so identically, as if she had done it many times before. Is this the sociopath in her or does she lack such a sense of self because of the exteme enmeshment displayed by this family ? I wish I had more psych knowledge, but only base my opinions on what I have read, and some brief studies. Again, I have more questions than answers.

 

[TinaD]

What we see is a person who has never been held accountable for their actions therefore has no fear of possible consequences. Children are not born knowing right from wrong, we must teach them by setting limits, allowing them a certain level of learning by cause and effect, by not shielding them from their own every day frustrations, by modeling the behaviors we expect from them. (If you wish to teach your child not to lie then you shouldn't lie either.) To teach children cause and effect, to help create a certain amount of respect for consequences in our children it's pretty important to be consistent in our treatment of certain behaviors. There has to be something keeping a person from doing something wrong, they have to fear the consequences of some things, such as stealing or having unprotected sex or breaking laws.

They caused all kinds of damage to their child from the first time they began cleaning up her messes for her and allowing it to continue with no accountability. You may not see it the same way but in the opinion of many (myself included) that is a form of emotional abuse, of neglect, of setting a child up for future failures. They didn't create a killer but they created a person who had no respect for anything- including them- and it's their own fault. I too feel very sorry for them- all of 'em!

Oh I agree totally! I just don't think she was "terrified" of Cindy or of Cindy bringing up Caylee the same way as she was brought up.

 

[Searchfortruth]

First time I had seen this pic.

I am probably making too much of this picture, but I wonder how many other older pictures show Cindy holding Casey in her lap with Lee off to the side. It's just my opinion that there are probably quite a few of them. I would think Cindy would atleast have her arm around Lee for this picture, while Casey was in her lap, but who knows. In light of past events, Cindy's protection of Casey, I think this picture may depict some of the family dynamics.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Oh I agree totally! I just don't think she was "terrified" of Cindy or of Cindy bringing up Caylee the same way as she was brought up.

I agree with you on those points.

 

[CrankyPants]

Oh I agree totally! I just don't think she was "terrified" of Cindy or of Cindy bringing up Caylee the same way as she was brought up.

I don't think she was terrified of Cindy either. I DO think that KC was terrified of growing up and accepting adult responsibilities. I believe the thought of being on her own with only herself to rely on scared the bejeebers out of her. I think that's why it was so easy for her to scam and steal; the fear of any repurcussions for her lies and stealing was outweighed by her fear of being on her own.

JMO, as always!

 

[Sheromom]

I have a VERY beautiful daughter who (sigh) knows that she is gorgeous. What I see in a lot of KC's pics are what I see in a lot of my daughter's- they simply want to present their best face for the camera; regardless of WHAT is happening around them. (NOT saying I think KC is beautiful- LOL; but I think SHE thinks so!) My daughter, fortunately, has a tremendous amount of love for others and this saves her. Casey.......well, I see only a tremendous amount of love for herself.

 

[Spacegirl]

I've just discovered that the shorts Caylee is wearing in the wrist holding vid that we've been discussing appear to be the very shorts discovered with her remains.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/01/color-pic-of-shorts-caylee-anthony-was-wearing-when-murdered/

I never hate anyone, it takes a lot to even anger me... but I think I can honestly say that I hate KC. I'm not religious either, but I pray for justice in this case.

 

[wenwe4]

Can anyone direct me to the original, un-cut version of the two playing together? (As I typed that I remembered some wording to the effect of "the long play version of the album by the original artists".) I would like to take a look @ the parent/child interaction but the brevity of this clip does not give me enough information. TIA!

 

[Tulessa]

Can anyone direct me to the original, un-cut version of the two playing together? (As I typed that I remembered some wording to the effect of "the long play version of the album by the original artists".) I would like to take a look @ the parent/child interaction but the brevity of this clip does not give me enough information. TIA!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUXPEBeapc[/ame]

 

[Tulessa]

The silent treatment is worrisome.....

http://video.aol.fr/video-detail/casey-playing-with-caylee-marie-anthony/1982074439

 

[Tulessa]

http://video.aol.fr/video-detail/casey-playing-with-caylee-marie-anthony/1982074439



My favorite.

 

[Tulessa]

http://video.aol.fr/video-detail/casey-playing-with-caylee-marie-anthony/1982074439



My favorite.

If this doesn't bring in to sharp focus what the world lost when it lost Caylee Marie Anthony. Nothing will.

 

[wenwe4]

On this clip it shows 2 clips (less than 1 min total) of parent/child interaction. I wish I could see the original video that CA took that day. Between :22 to :37 when KC is blowing raspberries on Caylee, Caylee is clearly overstimulated at that moment and is trying to get her Mom to stop. kc continues with the tickling, despite Caylee giving her clear and potent disengagement cues and she ends up grabbing her Mother's face and neck. Finally, at the point Caylee is getting angry, is when Kc stops the intrusive play, and kc says "ok" and lets the child go.

 

[passionflower]

The very first time I viewed the video, I thought something was "OFF" with the playing........I still do, it is more for show than a relaxed play with mom. MOO

 

[YellowSubmarine]

The silent treatment is worrisome.....

My thoughts exactly. When we first started seeing the videos that kc took, they just never sat right with me, but I thought it was just me. The silence is creepy, if you ask me. Looking back at videos I've taken of my kids or when you watch videos most any other parent has taken, there's always background noise. You hear the person taking the video interacting, laughing, even just clearing their throat or something. IMO, it's very creepy - almost giving me chills.

 

[Spacegirl]

I think it's interesting how divided we all are on whether KC was controlled or feared. And whether she was basically born bad or made that way. If only we have more info about her childhood. I hope one day more comes out. I remember Lee saying that she started lying in middle school and never stopped. I remember hearing that she buried childhood pets in the area where she dumped the body too (hamsters, etc). If anyone has any information on how many pets she buried, I'd definitely be interested. There might be something to that if her pets kept dying and they kept getting her more and more of them. You never know.

I just really feel like the girl was born bad and their parenting style didn't help. That's the impression I'm getting.

On New Year's Eve I went to visit my friend in TN and the things she shared me about her granddaughter gave me a chill! I'll call her M and her granddaughter J. To tell the short version of the story... she has a son 10, granddaughter 13, granddaughter (J) 6. M is a wonderful woman and keeps the granddaughters every other weekend. The oldest 2 are amazing, but I haven't gotten to know the youngest because I moved when she was an infant.

Just in the last couple of months she admitted to me that she is awful. When I went up for a visit, she told me everything that has been going on. Now, my friend really, really has zero tolerance for lies. She said J lies incessantly, and no matter what, will not stop. She even sat her down recently and had a long talk with her about how you have to be honest and kind to have friends and told her that if she lied again, she wouldn't be coming over there for a while (big punishment, she has an indoor pool and everything), not 2 hours later, she was back to lying. She terrorizes the other kids, is manipulative and mean-spirited.. and one time she told her older sister (who is a huge animal lover/vegetarian) that if she didn't do something for her she was going to go kick their dog - who is blind and basically crippled!

M said every time J is around she has to say over and over in her head, "She's my granddaughter. She's my grandaughter..."

I hate to sound like I'm coming down on the kid. I have a niece with some sort of defiant disorder and I am always defending her (she isn't as bad as they say). But I think this could be one of those times when a kid is just born bad. It's sad, and hard to believe, but it happens.

 

[Tulessa]

I think it's interesting how divided we all are on whether KC was controlled or feared. And whether she was basically born bad or made that way. If only we have more info about her childhood. I hope one day more comes out. I remember Lee saying that she started lying in middle school and never stopped. I remember hearing that she buried childhood pets in the area where she dumped the body too (hamsters, etc). If anyone has any information on how many pets she buried, I'd definitely be interested. There might be something to that if her pets kept dying and they kept getting her more and more of them. You never know.

I just really feel like the girl was born bad and their parenting style didn't help. That's the impression I'm getting.

On New Year's Eve I went to visit my friend in TN and the things she shared me about her granddaughter gave me a chill! I'll call her M and her granddaughter J. To tell the short version of the story... she has a son 10, granddaughter 13, granddaughter (J) 6. M is a wonderful woman and keeps the granddaughters every other weekend. The oldest 2 are amazing, but I haven't gotten to know the youngest because I moved when she was an infant.

Just in the last couple of months she admitted to me that she is awful. When I went up for a visit, she told me everything that has been going on. Now, my friend really, really has zero tolerance for lies. She said J lies incessantly, and no matter what, will not stop. She even sat her down recently and had a long talk with her about how you have to be honest and kind to have friends and told her that if she lied again, she wouldn't be coming over there for a while (big punishment, she has an indoor pool and everything), not 2 hours later, she was back to lying. She terrorizes the other kids, is manipulative and mean-spirited.. and one time she told her older sister (who is a huge animal lover/vegetarian) that if she didn't do something for her she was going to go kick their dog - who is blind and basically crippled!

M said every time J is around she has to say over and over in her head, "She's my granddaughter. She's my grandaughter..."

I hate to sound like I'm coming down on the kid. I have a niece with some sort of defiant disorder and I am always defending her (she isn't as bad as they say). But I think this could be one of those times when a kid is just born bad. It's sad, and hard to believe, but it happens.

What a scary thought. Yet we all know that killers sometimes start our murdering animals........:waitasec: