Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[knt]

This reminds me of the sheer panic and horror in the Menendez sp?
brothers voice's when they called 911 and reported finding their parents
killed.

great point!

 

[ZsaZsa]

Casey making Cindy feel guilty and the rages is abuse. I believe Cindy was abused for years and also expertly manipulated. If Cindy had been left alone to figure it all out she might have actually searched on her own and found Caylee. All the people who were parading onto the talk shows, giving interviews, protestors, etc. should have left her alone and been out searching for Caylee who was just down the street where no one bothered to search. I don't believe I've ever seen anything like some of these cases where a family member becomes the villain and completely destroyed on national tv, but the child is still missing and no one even properly searching.

At that point though, the child had been missing for 31 days or more, the car smelled of a dead body, the mother was lying about everything, she refused to give DNA so Caylee could be put on the National Missing Persons database, the grandparents refused to co operate with Equusearch - would not even provide an article of clothing for TM to use- were already lying to LE- there were MANY searches conducted for Caylee ( albeit not expecting to find her alive) which the family did nothing to assist. They cast themselves in the role of villain, not the Police or anyone else.

 

[LambChop]

At that point though, the child had been missing for 31 days or more, the car smelled of a dead body, the mother was lying about everything, she refused to give DNA so Caylee could be put on the National Missing Persons database, the grandparents refused to co operate with Equusearch - would not even provide an article of clothing for TM to use- were already lying to LE- there were MANY searches conducted for Caylee ( albeit not expecting to find her alive) which the family did nothing to assist. They cast themselves in the role of villain, not the Police or anyone else.

Some of Cindy's actions are quite protective of herself. So you have to wonder if an argument did actually take place on June 15th, as has been reported, could KC have threatened to kill Caylee before letting her mother have her. If so, CA not going after KC to get Caylee would make sense. Sometimes in a fit of rage people say strange things. Cindy is so controlling it seems out of character for her not to aggressively push to get Caylee back in the household knowing the child was being carted around like a sack of potatoes.

 

[Rlaub44]

Casey making Cindy feel guilty and the rages is abuse. I believe Cindy was abused for years and also expertly manipulated. If Cindy had been left alone to figure it all out she might have actually searched on her own and found Caylee. All the people who were parading onto the talk shows, giving interviews, protestors, etc. should have left her alone and been out searching for Caylee who was just down the street where no one bothered to search. I don't believe I've ever seen anything like some of these cases where a family member becomes the villain and completely destroyed on national tv, but the child is still missing and no one even properly searching.

While it wasn't pretty to watch, the treatment Cindy received was largely of her own making, IMO. When have you ever seen the grandmother of a missing toddler appear less concerned about the well-being of that child? Cindy went on the attack, with LE and media, offering ridiculous excuses to try and protect her daughter.

People who claim that is what a loving mother would do, forget about the love a grandmother has. People wondered, how could she seemingly choose her lying daughter over her innocent grandchild? That was what prompted everyone's ire.

Had Cindy chosen to act like a worried grandmother, she would have been treated as a worried grandmother. When Cindy decided to treat everyone who tried to help as the enemy, she sealed her own fate, again IMO.

I also understand your concerns about people not searching the area that seems so obvious now, but in truth, searches were occurring. The problem that arose was that there was never a clear direction in which to start. LE never even knew where the child had really been around the time she went missing: was she near Sawgrass, Blanchard Park, the nursing home in Mt. Dora, the Anthony home, TonE's apartment? 31 days later, where do you focus the search?

I wish I had the ability to feel compassion for CA, but she seemed to do everything in her power to hinder the search for her missing grandchild, even joking about providing investigators the dog's toothbrush. LE, searchers, and those of us following the case online demonstrated more concern for Caylee than she appeared to, and that is a hard position for me to overcome.

 

[Chiquita71]

Casey making Cindy feel guilty and the rages is abuse. I believe Cindy was abused for years and also expertly manipulated. If Cindy had been left alone to figure it all out she might have actually searched on her own and found Caylee. All the people who were parading onto the talk shows, giving interviews, protestors, etc. should have left her alone and been out searching for Caylee who was just down the street where no one bothered to search. I don't believe I've ever seen anything like some of these cases where a family member becomes the villain and completely destroyed on national tv, but the child is still missing and no one even properly searching.

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BBM

RG: ...when we went over there to the family BBQ to introduce the families it was obvious who the lead dog was, the lead dog was Cindy, and whatever she wanted to have happen, happened and if she wanted Caylee to do something that's what got done.

RG: "George, I'm getting ready to shake the trees to see if I can find Caylee, please tell me if anything I'm going to do is going to endanger her." George immediately called me(repeats: "immediately called me" after you hear some talking in the back ground) and said he wanted to talk to me, he wasn't avoiding me, here's the answer to your question as to why I'm not doing what you think I should be doing and he said, "because my wife doesn't want me to."

RG: Um, its a house hold that Cindy rules, the only thing that gets is what Cindy wants done and that's the way it is and George, ah, made some mistakes in the past, ah, the gambling which you all know that. Which he talked to me about, and he basically in my opinion had been emasculated since the point. So whatever Cindy wants is what Cindy gets. To me, that still, that wouldn't be enough(inaudible)I'm(inaudible) and that wouldn't stop me from finding what I wanted to find.


BD: ...if there was a vote taken on the street she would be the *****from hell on the street if you understand what I am saying, that mother is, is, shes acting all wonderful and nice now, she is evil and she can, very controlling person, control Casey and, ah, Keo said she would be down at the house in the afternoon when the mother came home from work, and if the dad was there, fine George but if the mother came she'd throw everybody out of the house immediately and see Keo said to me she threw me out because I was Puerto Rican. I don't want to get into all that but she said that her mother just didn't like those people. And then she said Casey would date Puerto Rican boys just to upset her mother because that was a love, hate relationship there, the mother is pretty domineering.


RP: So I know Cindy, a couple of times had threatened Casey, this is through my mom, that if Casey didn't behave and straighten up she would throw her out on the street and file for custody.

Cindy had threatened Casey many, many times with taking Caylee-here she does it during one of her 911 calls.

Cindy Anthony: My next thing will be child's thing and we'll have a court order to get her if that's what you wanna play. We'll do it and you'll never...

{Casey inaudibly talking}

Cindy Anthony: Well then you have...no I'm not giving you another day. I've given you a month.

Sorry, but this is not a woman who was abused or not in control of her home. "I've given you a month" A month, her granddaughter was missing and it was Cindy's decision to allow her daughter to continue her behavior by her own words.

...jmo...

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

I have been transcribing Richard Grund's interview with LE and so this is all too fresh in my mind but why is Cindy getting some kind of out or pass after actively trying to pin the murder of her granddaughter on Jesse Grund?

Talk about abuse and manipulation! Am I the only one who finds this disgusting and unforgivable? Now this woman is saying that her granddaughter is still alive.

Cindy and George knew that Jesse was not the father of Caylee and yet they allowed and joined in with Casey in making him believe he was.

You bet they are "sticking together on this":

LE: Well, as far as what, what does he perceive the family's doing, what's his take on this whole thing? (crosstalk)
RG: His take is, and we both are in agreement that something changed, well first of all we, we know Cindy's not(inaudible)sorry forgive me for saying that, her storys never stayed the same but the longer we go into this the more they circle the wagons. And the more the story gets honed in

What about the Blanchard Park script? What about Cindy going on national TV and pointing the finger at the real ZF after Casey herself told her that was not the "zanny" she was speaking of? Cindy's conversation with her daughter was not about finding out what Casey knew about Caylee...she was gathering names so she could throw anyone under the bus. She was not doing it for Casey either...she must make it look like she could never have raised a daughter who could murder her daughter...but she did.

Cindy Anthony has pointed her finger at every single person she can: Jesse, Amy, RM and even LE to take the blame off of herself and her daughter. I understand wanting to protect your daughter...but you do not have to make up lies and throw innocent people under the bus to do that. And what about wanting the truth, and justice for her granddaughter?


...jmo...

 

[Gma Kat]

While it wasn't pretty to watch, the treatment Cindy received was largely of her own making, IMO. When have you ever seen the grandmother of a missing toddler appear less concerned about the well-being of that child? Cindy went on the attack, with LE and media, offering ridiculous excuses to try and protect her daughter.

People who claim that is what a loving mother would do, forget about the love a grandmother has. People wondered, how could she seemingly choose her lying daughter over her innocent grandchild? That was what prompted everyone's ire.

Had Cindy chosen to act like a worried grandmother, she would have been treated as a worried grandmother. When Cindy decided to treat everyone who tried to help as the enemy, she sealed her own fate, again IMO.

I also understand your concerns about people not searching the area that seems so obvious now, but in truth, searches were occurring. The problem that arose was that there was never a clear direction in which to start. LE never even knew where the child had really been around the time she went missing: was she near Sawgrass, Blanchard Park, the nursing home in Mt. Dora, the Anthony home, TonE's apartment? 31 days later, where do you focus the search?

I wish I had the ability to feel compassion for CA, but she seemed to do everything in her power to hinder the search for her missing grandchild, even joking about providing investigators the dog's toothbrush. LE, searchers, and those of us following the case online demonstrated more concern for Caylee than she appeared to, and that is a hard position for me to overcome.

Great post. This pretty much sums of why this is the case of the century. There have been far more horrifying child abductions and murders since this case came to light; however, it is the A's conduct, their unbelievable and outrageous conduct, their instant reaction to protect KC not Caylee that has made it so notorious.

Many years ago I awoke to find the dead body of a hit-n-run victim lying in the street behind my house (she was visible thru my slider on my 2d story), once LE arrived I watched the investigation for about 12 hours from my balcony. One of LE asked me why I was watching. I told him that this poor woman must be one of my neighbors and yet no one knew she was dead yet. She was just a dead body to LE. I felt I had to watch them investigate because SHE needed someone watching for her. I felt like she was all alone lying there. She deserved to be mourned even though I didn't know who she was.

This case has done the same thing to me. I feel like no one else in the A family was focused on the right thing, Caylee. I feel like I have to watch for her, mourn for her, BECAUSE THE A FAMILY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE FOCUSED ON CAYLEE, only on KC and themselves. THEY NEEDED TO STICK TOGETHER. Caylee was dead, but they were left, so they needed to stick together.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Great post. This pretty much sums of why this is the case of the century. There have been far more horrifying child abductions and murders since this case came to light; however, it is the A's conduct, their unbelievable and outrageous conduct, their instant reaction to protect KC not Caylee that has made it so notorious.

Many years ago I awoke to find the dead body of a hit-n-run victim lying in the street behind my house (she was visible thru my slider on my 2d story), once LE arrived I watched the investigation for about 12 hours from my balcony. One of LE asked me why I was watching. I told him that this poor woman must be one of my neighbors and yet no one knew she was dead yet. She was just a dead body to LE. I felt I had to watch them investigate because SHE needed someone watching for her. I felt like she was all alone lying there. She deserved to be mourned even though I didn't know who she was.

This case has done the same thing to me. I feel like no one else in the A family was focused on the right thing, Caylee. I feel like I have to watch for her, mourn for her, BECAUSE THE A FAMILY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE FOCUSED ON CAYLEE, only on KC and themselves. THEY NEEDED TO STICK TOGETHER. Caylee was dead, but they were left, so they needed to stick together.

BBM.

Great post GMA...you explain so well, what I think, drew many of us to this case, but more importantly what keeps us here. If Caylee had a family that cared for her like most victims families do, we could find some peace in that. I feel like we have all taken on that task and what a family Caylee has now !

 

[RR0004]

Great post. This pretty much sums of why this is the case of the century. There have been far more horrifying child abductions and murders since this case came to light; however, it is the A's conduct, their unbelievable and outrageous conduct, their instant reaction to protect KC not Caylee that has made it so notorious.

Many years ago I awoke to find the dead body of a hit-n-run victim lying in the street behind my house (she was visible thru my slider on my 2d story), once LE arrived I watched the investigation for about 12 hours from my balcony. One of LE asked me why I was watching. I told him that this poor woman must be one of my neighbors and yet no one knew she was dead yet. She was just a dead body to LE. I felt I had to watch them investigate because SHE needed someone watching for her. I felt like she was all alone lying there. She deserved to be mourned even though I didn't know who she was.

This case has done the same thing to me. I feel like no one else in the A family was focused on the right thing, Caylee. I feel like I have to watch for her, mourn for her, BECAUSE THE A FAMILY DIDN'T SEEM TO BE FOCUSED ON CAYLEE, only on KC and themselves. THEY NEEDED TO STICK TOGETHER. Caylee was dead, but they were left, so they needed to stick together.

Caylee is lucky to have you watching, Gma Kat.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Snipped....I agree that she knows those buttons to push and manipulate-It appears CA is highly uncomfortable when she is made to feel guilty. KC is guilting them into sticking on her side by using phrases about them sticking together....Making CA feel like if she breaks ranks with KC, people will be mad and CA will feel guilt.

TraceyM said something to CA about how when she was young, she remembers thinking her mom was overbearing and controlling...CA protested this quickly, stating she in no way was overbearing with KC. Tracey even assured her it was not a true reflection on CA neccesarily, but that many daughters went through that. CA would not have that portrayal of herself as overbearing, because I believe it made her feel that she would in some way be responsible for Caylee's death, deep deep guilt reflex.

BBM.

Even in some of the LE depositions, with Cindy, she went overboard trying to portray what a "lenient" mother she was to her children. They were never really punished except for a light grounding maybe. She didn't impose her beliefs on them (cough, cough), she encouraged them to develop their own. She didn't have a lot of "rules"...like having rules are a bad thing.

All in all, her "story" was ridiculous sounding.

 

[justsaying]

BBM.

Even in some of the LE depositions, with Cindy, she went overboard trying to portray what a "lenient" mother she was to her children. They were never really punished except for a light grounding maybe. She didn't impose her beliefs on them (cough, cough), she encouraged them to develop their own. She didn't have a lot of "rules"...like having rules are a bad thing.

All in all, her "story" was ridiculous sounding.

I think this may have really been CA's child rearing method - no rules. And if GA sometimes did try to step up to force some responsibility on the princess, then ca put her foot down and said, "George, I'll handle it." Then CA just questioned all of KC's stories until she hit on one she could believe, thus restoring order and the illusion that darling daughter is perfect just like her mom. The instances of hearing CA feed KC stories to tell just didn't end after it started with "Who took her?" She didn't want the answer to her first question of "What have you done?" Just my opinion.

 

[Just Jayla]

BBM.

Even in some of the LE depositions, with Cindy, she went overboard trying to portray what a "lenient" mother she was to her children. They were never really punished except for a light grounding maybe. She didn't impose her beliefs on them (cough, cough), she encouraged them to develop their own. She didn't have a lot of "rules"...like having rules are a bad thing.

All in all, her "story" was ridiculous sounding.

Had to write to you that I am glad to know that you think like I do when it comes to that....it's pretty key when raising kids and quite a few parents out there have stopped following through, if they even punish or set rules to begin with.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I think this may have really been CA's child rearing method - no rules. And if GA sometimes did try to step up to force some responsibility on the princess, then ca put her foot down and said, "George, I'll handle it." Then CA just questioned all of KC's stories until she hit on one she could believe, thus restoring order and the illusion that darling daughter is perfect just like her mom. The instances of hearing CA feed KC stories to tell just didn't end after it started with "Who took her?" She didn't want the answer to her first question of "What have you done?" Just my opinion.

I agree in that Cindy pushed George out of the way when it came to confronting Casey on anything. I also think that Cindy had a way of demeaning Casey in private (Jesse incident), but at the same time never really held her accountable for anything. No consistency at all in that type of arrangement. I am not providing excuses for Casey, but when you have a mother that tells others you can do no wrong (in public), but then on the other hand belittles you behind closed doors...well, no good can come from that.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM.

Great post GMA...you explain so well, what I think, drew many of us to this case, but more importantly what keeps us here. If Caylee had a family that cared for her like most victims families do, we could find some peace in that. I feel like we have all taken on that task and what a family Caylee has now !

What do you think the odds are that we will ever know the truth of what caused Caylee's death? The twists and turns, cover-ups and lies from the people involved have just about driven me batty. Most of all I would like to know that Caylee didn't suffer and I would pray that whatever happened to her was without her prolonged awareness. That aspect bothers me a lot. Although I believe in God, I have a hard time sorting out why there is so much suffering in the world. I know the biblical explanations but, for the life of me, can't understand the cruelty demonstrated by some people. Covering the truth is wrong because it diminishes someone else's truth - make sense?

Thinking about when GA and CA said they accepted Jesus into their hearts, if that is true, there is no way imo they could continue to carry on a charade. Or is their claim just part of their charade?

 

[kew17]

BBM.

Even in some of the LE depositions, with Cindy, she went overboard trying to portray what a "lenient" mother she was to her children. They were never really punished except for a light grounding maybe. She didn't impose her beliefs on them (cough, cough), she encouraged them to develop their own. She didn't have a lot of "rules"...like having rules are a bad thing.

All in all, her "story" was ridiculous sounding.

BBM:
And therein lies the problem with this family. Not that I believe a word she said, but in teaching our children to become adults, I (at least) feel that boundries are an important lesson to teach my child. It is my job to teach him how to function in our society. I mean, just because you daughter has a child and that child is now an inconvenience to her social life, doesn't give her permission to just dispose of her. She is not an old Barbie doll, she's a little human life! If this is the case, where KC had little to no rules, I can very much see how she has formed into the adult she has. She doesn't HAVE to live by society's rules...they don't apply to her anyway....she's special! MOO

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM:
And therein lies the problem with this family. Not that I believe a word she said, but in teaching our children to become adults, I (at least) feel that boundries are an important lesson to teach my child. It is my job to teach him how to function in our society. I mean, just because you daughter has a child and that child is now an inconvenience to her social life, doesn't give her permission to just dispose of her. She is not an old Barbie doll, she's a little human life! If this is the case, where KC had little to no rules, I can very much see how she has formed into the adult she has. She doesn't HAVE to live by society's rules...they don't apply to her anyway....she's special! MOO

But here is where their truth goes round and round for me - because if people are Sociopaths, then it is inherent within themselves to NOT consider/care about rules to begin with, so why would anyone be surprised when terrible things happen as a result of people who are Sociopathic? Although not considered a mental illness, it is a void within a human being that causes damage within society. We need to know a lot more about the condition imo. I was never taught to be on the lookout for traits such as these in people. Even so, what do we do about it/them? Is it learned behavior, genetic or a little of both? We can see some strange traits running through this family but who could have predicted this outcome?

It comes as no surprise that KC would say to GA that they must stick together as that is what, apparently, they had been doing for over twenty years. Of course, excluding the time that GA left the house shortly after having his ecstatic experience of becoming a Grandfather. He must have been so overwhelmed with happiness he needed to go away. :waitasec:

 

[lauriej]

<respectfully snipped>
but according to Cindy, KC had/has none of the issues you described above. She was 'mother of the year' that did nothing worse but tell the occasional mistruth. So it would seem that according to the A's, this didn't apply...unless they are telling mistruths too. jmo

BBM..just wondering-------are " mistruths" "half-truths" words that are commonly used in florida? b/c i've seen cindy use them over and over..

..i've never heard those before in canada, here we just it a plain lie, period.

 

[lauriej]

..snipped..

Again, the duct tape on the mouth is one of the things that seems more like a different perpetrator to me than KCA. I think if KCA really did commit premeditated murder of Caylee, she would never have left the duct tape on the mouth when she dumped the body. She would have removed the tape to keep the "accident' option open, etc. My opinion only.

bbm..it's been determined by the experts that the duct tape was applied pre-mortem.

whether that was to prevent caylee from crying out ?---quicker loss of respiratory function-?----to seal in decomp. fluids...?or perhaps all of the above..

i think it would take one cold hearted person to untie the multiple trash bags---------and the laundry bag----and unwrap the winnie the pooh blanket-------to remove the duct tape.

..after all, whoever put the tape on to begin with ---PRIOR to death, saw that child ALIVE the last time they saw her-------this person would then have to remove the tape from a DEAD child.....( or go BACK into the woods and remove the tape ONCE dead.....)

 

[robotdog]

I wonder if, when KC first left the house and when there was the fight
and they were basically "missing for 31 days" that on the first couple of days
after she went missing

that maybe one of the A's mentioned to a co worker or a therapist or someone else in the family that KC had said something like " I would rather see her dead than to be with one of you two" <-- and when she said that she was referring to CA and GA.

then lo and behold she is missing and certainly was dead...

coincidence or damning against KC ???

 

[Just Jayla]

BBM..just wondering-------are " mistruths" "half-truths" words that are commonly used in florida? b/c i've seen cindy use them over and over..

..i've never heard those before in canada, here we just it a plain lie, period.

Not that I know of, the most gracious southern dialect might be to call it "fibbin..."