Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[PassTheMotrin]

I just can't see Casey picking up roadkill, bagging it and putting it in the trunk. She's too prissy for that.

 

[treeseeker]

I just can't see Casey picking up roadkill, bagging it and putting it in the trunk. She's too prissy for that.

Me neither lol.

Sorry I wasn't more clear - I intended to imply KC tricked GA into removing Caylee's remains (bless her) and later dumping them.

 

[logicalgirl]

You've made some very good points, Woe.be.gone.

Perhaps on June 24, GA did smell something. KC told him she ran over a cat/dog (something heavy enough), and had it in a bag, claiming she didn't know what to do with it. GA offered to take care of it. He put the bag in the back yard, over in the corner where all those red flags were placed by LE. Later, he took the bag over to Suburban, using the empty sand bag to line his own trunk. He thought he'd gotten rid of an animal, until 7/15.

This could explain why KC wanted to speak to GA alone, and the "we need to stick together" comment. It could also explain why CA searched her own yard, and asked LE to - she knew she'd smelled something - but GA is reeling over the possibility of what happened and his potential involvement and did not tell her, nor anyone else.

IMO, speculation

Now that's an interesting and plausible scenario! Since I first read Patty G.'s statement, I've been turning itt around to make sense to me - but here's a gross question. Does Human decomp and dog or other animal decomp smell similar? Remember George saying in his interview that it was a smell he could never forget.

 

[treeseeker]

Now that's an interesting and plausible scenario! Since I first read Patty G.'s statement, I've been turning itt around to make sense to me - but here's a gross question. Does Human decomp and dog or other animal decomp smell similar? Remember George saying in his interview that it was a smell he could never forget.

Good question. Perhaps the gas fumes from the cans temporarily altered the smell? Or, perhaps GA wasn't of the mindset to accurately identify what he was smelling at that point?

 

[ynotdivein]

Me neither lol.

Sorry I wasn't more clear - I intended to imply KC tricked GA into removing Caylee's remains (bless her) and later dumping them.

But how could she trick him that way? "Um, dad, I ran over a 35 pound raccoon out along the highway, I dug it out of the undercarriage by myself, bagged it, bagged it again, and stuffed it in the trunk a couple days ago, can you take care of that for me? It's icky!"

Not mocking the concept, but as I think it out, if he had that kind of involvement in the disposal of the remains, either he knew what was in the bag and is utterly reprehensible, or he didn't and is more of a tool than seems humanly possible.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

But how could she trick him that way? "Um, dad, I ran over a 35 pound raccoon out along the highway, I dug it out of the undercarriage by myself, bagged it, bagged it again, and stuffed it in the trunk a couple days ago, can you take care of that for me? It's icky!"

Not mocking the concept, but as I think it out, if he had that kind of involvement in the disposal of the remains, either he knew what was in the bag and is utterly reprehensible, or he didn't and is more of a tool than seems humanly possible.

"Sure thing, sweetheart; I'll take care of it as soon as my fave show on Food Network is over. Sure was nice of you to think of the poor animal; by the way, where's Caylee?"

:crazy:

 

[treeseeker]

But how could she trick him that way? "Um, dad, I ran over a 35 pound raccoon out along the highway, I dug it out of the undercarriage by myself, bagged it, bagged it again, and stuffed it in the trunk a couple days ago, can you take care of that for me? It's icky!"

Not mocking the concept, but as I think it out, if he had that kind of involvement in the disposal of the remains, either he knew what was in the bag and is utterly reprehensible, or he didn't and is more of a tool than seems humanly possible.

Either is possible - GA seems to have a lot on his mind. Or he could have no involvement at all. Its just one way to explain many of the behaviors coherently, I don't feel mocked.

 

[ynotdivein]

"Sure thing, sweetheart; I'll take care of it as soon as my fave show on Food Network is over. Sure was nice of you to think of the poor animal; by the way, where's Caylee?"

:crazy:

Aiiiieeeeeee!!!!

:truce:

(Is there a thread just about the A family psychology? Off to search.)

 

[logicalgirl]

Either is possible - GA seems to have a lot on his mind. Or he could have no involvement at all. Its just one way to explain many of the behaviors coherently, I don't feel mocked.

No it's an interesting theory - I was thinking of George being shown a dead Caylee on the bed or in the garden with Casey saying gee sorry Dad it was an accident - help me bag her will you? Other scenarios like the one you described just didn't occur to me but it's got me saying hmm. And maybe the decomp smell wasn't too bad then?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You've made some very good points, Woe.be.gone.

Perhaps on June 24, GA did smell something. KC told him she ran over a cat/dog (something heavy enough), and had it in a bag, claiming she didn't know what to do with it. GA offered to take care of it. He put the bag in the back yard, over in the corner where all those red flags were placed by LE. Later, he took the bag over to Suburban, using the empty sand bag to line his own trunk. He thought he'd gotten rid of an animal, until 7/15.

This could explain why KC wanted to speak to GA alone, and the "we need to stick together" comment. It could also explain why CA searched her own yard, and asked LE to - she knew she'd smelled something - but GA is reeling over the possibility of what happened and his potential involvement and did not tell her, nor anyone else.

IMO, speculation

Are you suggesting that GA helped KC get rid of an "animal" and never looked in the bag back on June 24? KC texted Amy saying that her car smelled and that she thinks her Dad ran over some squirrels.

Are you suggesting that GA volunteered to bury a dead animal for KC (that she picked up off of the road and placed in her trunk) but he never looked inside the bag to see what dead animal he was going to bury but all along it was Caylee inside the bag? (ouch)

I know we're not permitted to advertise here but I have a bridge for sale - it's in Orlando. Seriously, and I'm trying to contain myself here, there is no way anybody would ever buy that explanation (or maybe they would). I'm thinking you're joking right? Honestly I'm not trying to be rude but I have had to read your post five times trying to ascertain if it is serious or not.

Did it go something like this? Ummm, Dad here are your f'g gas cans and would you mind burying this dead skunk for me too? GA replied, Sure Princess anything you want me to do, I'm happy to help. Hey, Love, bring Caylee around soon, kay?

Adding - I typed my response before I read ahead - glad to see that I'm not the only one scratching my head.
All of us are entitled to use our imaginations.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

We are getting closer here!! My reservation with your theory is that I have to wonder if GA would have looked in the bag, considering CA was looking for KC & Caylee by then.
Or was she? KC talked to CA a couple different times after about 3:00 p.m., so maybe CA was not panicked yet. In GA's account, he says that he mentioned to KC about how 'mom and me would like to see Caylee,' but he did not tell LE that it was really urgent at that point.

KC and Caylee had never been away from the house for more than a night prior to June 15 according to testimony. If Caylee was away with KC, you bet your bottom dollar that after a week, CA and GA were wondering about Caylee and wanting to see her. There is no way CA was okay with it if KC took Caylee away. No way imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Me neither lol.

Sorry I wasn't more clear - I intended to imply KC tricked GA into removing Caylee's remains (bless her) and later dumping them.

Wow, then he's a lot dumber than I thought.

Now I really won't be able to sleep tonight - I'll be busy mulling over the new theory. :crazy:

 

[Kentjbkent]

Wow, then he's a lot dumber than I thought.

Now I really won't be able to sleep tonight - I'll be busy mulling over the new theory. :crazy:

This new theory has me :waitasec: and now going back to the beginning and reconsidering some of the things we do know, although I don't agree that KC "tricked" GA by stating that the bags contained a dead cat or squirrels, but KC does come up with "creative" stories so thinking about how else she may have worded what was in the bag...

I seriously doubt that anyone could be fooled that the 50+ lb remains of a child would be similar in weight to a dead cat, squirrel, etc. However, a cleverly worded "story" about a "friends" dog who died, or dog that she hit in the road, could fit. I have lots of experience with 50+ dogs...(would decomp of a canine smell somewhat similar to that of a human? Don't know as I have never smelled either....

As far as GA looking in the bag before dumping (in a nearby empty lot as one would certainly not want to put that smelly thing in their own trash can, especially if trash pickup day is not imminent.), I know I certainly wouldn't make it a point to open the bag containing anything dead to "look at it first", but that is just me!

A few things that have popped back into my head...

Do you recall when KC wrote the letter to Sheriff Beary requesting a private meeting with her father?

Do you recall KC stating to CA in jail video that she was told she could choose ONE person to meet with privately and she was choosing GA since "they hadn't been that close lately"?

Do you recall when GA visited her in the jail while Jose was out of town playing with Geraldo and GA stated on jail video to KC that he could make a private visit with him happen (that day) since she was the "CEO" and that he had already begun the process of making it happen?

Always struck me as odd that GA was the one that KC would want to use this one private visit with. My recollection is that the family dynamics were that both KC and LA thought of their dad as a "joke" and both were supposively closer to CA. GA also seemed to be the only one who would call KC out on her lies, until CA intevened shutting GA down.

I think this should at least be looked at. It could explain a lot.

By the way, from the first time KC jail videos hit the media, the only two statements that I felt were truth related (and because she repeated them so consistently and adamantly) were "I feel she is close to home" and "I do not know where Caylee is".

From the first time I heard it, I believed that KC really did not know where Caylee's body was at the time, although she did know that she was not living...just didn't know the EXACT spot that "someone" (known to her) disposed of the body!

 

[Kentjbkent]

This new theory has me :waitasec: and now going back to the beginning and reconsidering some of the things we do know, although I don't agree that KC "tricked" GA by stating that the bags contained a dead cat or squirrels, but KC does come up with "creative" stories so thinking about how else she may have worded what was in the bag...

I seriously doubt that anyone could be fooled that the 50+ lb remains of a child would be similar in weight to a dead cat, squirrel, etc. However, a cleverly worded "story" about a "friends" dog who died, or dog that she hit in the road, could fit. I have lots of experience with 50+ dogs...(would decomp of a canine smell somewhat similar to that of a human? Don't know as I have never smelled either....

As far as GA looking in the bag before dumping (in a nearby empty lot as one would certainly not want to put that smelly thing in their own trash can, especially if trash pickup day is not imminent.), I know I certainly wouldn't make it a point to open the bag containing anything dead to "look at it first", but that is just me!

A few things that have popped back into my head...

Do you recall when KC wrote the letter to Sheriff Beary requesting a private meeting with her father?

Do you recall KC stating to CA in jail video that she was told she could choose ONE person to meet with privately and she was choosing GA since "they hadn't been that close lately"?

Do you recall when GA visited her in the jail while Jose was out of town playing with Geraldo and GA stated on jail video to KC that he could make a private visit with him happen (that day) since she was the "CEO" and that he had already begun the process of making it happen?

Always struck me as odd that GA was the one that KC would want to use this one private visit with. My recollection is that the family dynamics were that both KC and LA thought of their dad as a "joke" and both were supposively closer to CA. GA also seemed to be the only one who would call KC out on her lies, until CA intevened shutting GA down.

I think this should at least be looked at. It could explain a lot.

By the way, from the first time KC jail videos hit the media, the only two statements that I felt were truth related (and because she repeated them so consistently and adamantly) were "I feel she is close to home" and "I do not know where Caylee is".

From the first time I heard it, I believed that KC really did not know where Caylee's body was at the time, although she did know that she was not living...just didn't know the EXACT spot that "someone" (known to her) disposed of the body!

Just wanted to add that this theory could also help explain who/how CA was "tipped off" to where remains were located in November to relay to DC. When was GA suicide attempt and subsequent "counselling"? Could he have had a "come to Jesus" moment (after returning home from hospitalization) and finally fessed up to CA that he suspects that he was duped into dumping Caylee's remains, and then CA went into action to get those remains back?! (Also may be why DC had the "details" of where to look specifically, from GA recollections?)

In fact, regarding GA hospitalization, am I recalling correctly that the doctors planned to transfer GA to an inpatient program but CA nixed that idea and brought him home (much to the dismay of those of us here that were sympathetic to GA and worried about CA control over him)? Am I recalling this correctly?

Perhaps GA testimony about the "gas can day" story was accurate without including the part about how he smelled something when he was approaching the car, thus KC story about a dead dog, etc and not knowing where to dispose of them?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Just wanted to add that this theory could also help explain who/how CA was "tipped off" to where remains were located in November to relay to DC. When was GA suicide attempt and subsequent "counselling"? Could he have had a "come to Jesus" moment (after returning home from hospitalization) and finally fessed up to CA that he suspects that he was duped into dumping Caylee's remains, and then CA went into action to get those remains back?! (Also may be why DC had the "details" of where to look specifically, from GA recollections?)

In fact, regarding GA hospitalization, am I recalling correctly that the doctors planned to transfer GA to an inpatient program but CA nixed that idea and brought him home (much to the dismay of those of us here that were sympathetic to GA and worried about CA control over him)? Am I recalling this correctly?

Perhaps GA testimony about the "gas can day" story was accurate without including the part about how he smelled something when he was approaching the car, thus KC story about a dead dog, etc and not knowing where to dispose of them?

Head spinning now...

Could this also be a possible explanation for Mark Nejame's sudden departure as attorney to CA/GA if he learned that GA had not only lied to him, but also was not truthful during grand jury testimony (especially if CA incorrectly assumed that she could confide GA "confession" to MN) and he was not going to be a part of the coverup.

And always wondered why GA was summoned to GJ hearing, but not CA since she had more direct knowledge of sequence of events.....do you think maybe LE has always suspected GA as "hiding something"?

If I recall correctly, shortly after resigning, he gave RK the $5000 he had been given, correct? He also immediately went to the defense of Tim Miller, who the A's have/are discrediting....

 

[chizap]

Head spinning now...

Could this also be a possible explanation for Mark Nejame's sudden departure as attorney to CA/GA if he learned that GA had not only lied to him, but also was not truthful during grand jury testimony (especially if CA incorrectly assumed that she could confide GA "confession" to MN) and he was not going to be a part of the coverup.

And always wondered why GA was summoned to GJ hearing, but not CA since she had more direct knowledge of sequence of events.....do you think maybe LE has always suspected GA as "hiding something"?

If I recall correctly, shortly after resigning, he gave RK the $5000 he had been given, correct? He also immediately went to the defense of Tim Miller, who the A's have/are discrediting....

GA getting really really ill when being questioned early on...
"I think you know alot about alot of things"...

 

[Just Jayla]

Head spinning now...

Could this also be a possible explanation for Mark Nejame's sudden departure as attorney to CA/GA if he learned that GA had not only lied to him, but also was not truthful during grand jury testimony (especially if CA incorrectly assumed that she could confide GA "confession" to MN) and he was not going to be a part of the coverup.

And always wondered why GA was summoned to GJ hearing, but not CA since she had more direct knowledge of sequence of events.....do you think maybe LE has always suspected GA as "hiding something"?

If I recall correctly, shortly after resigning, he gave RK the $5000 he had been given, correct? He also immediately went to the defense of Tim Miller, who the A's have/are discrediting....

Could be the case with NeJame, but I would hope he would have told someone where Caylee was. IIRC, immunity for the A's was on the table back then, so why wouldn't he have asked for that immunity and told LE where her body was? I would think MN would be consciencious enough to do this-but who knows, maybe I am in the wrong time frame with that.

I think GA was invited to the GJ because he (basically) said that a dead body was in KC's car, and he alluded to things that made LE believe (and I believed) that he thought it could have been at KC's hands.

This is my only hang-up-and maybe I just need a tiny bit more convincing-GA was so quick to say dead human and link it to KC, that if he did assist in any way, it would make more sense to me if it was unbeknownst to him.

 

[BeanE]

By the way, from the first time KC jail videos hit the media, the only two statements that I felt were truth related (and because she repeated them so consistently and adamantly) were "I feel she is close to home" and "I do not know where Caylee is".

I've been doing some research. Actually, so far, googling, searching forums, listening/reading to jailhouse visits and calls, and LE/KC interviews, I can only find one time when KC says this to Lee (not George). "I still feel she's close to holt (sic)." July 29 jailhouse phone call.

I did find twice, however, where George says it.

Aug 3 he says to KC in the morning jailhouse visit, "I know she's close. I can feel it..." (and KC bursts out in what appear to be real honest-to-god tears).

Aug 4 he says in a TV interview that KC had said in a visit "Dad, she's close. She's close." I can't find where she says anything like that to him. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

I'm finding it interesting research because I've thought all this time that KC had said it more than once, but as I track it through, it looks like it was good ol' George saying it instead.

Do by any chance have any references to where we can actually hear KC herself say it?

TIA

 

[chefmom]

Go, BeanE! Go BeanE! Go, BeanE!

:Banane44: :Banane21: :not_ripe: :Banane52: :Banane57:

 

[LambChop]

This new theory has me :waitasec: and now going back to the beginning and reconsidering some of the things we do know, although I don't agree that KC "tricked" GA by stating that the bags contained a dead cat or squirrels, but KC does come up with "creative" stories so thinking about how else she may have worded what was in the bag...

I seriously doubt that anyone could be fooled that the 50+ lb remains of a child would be similar in weight to a dead cat, squirrel, etc. However, a cleverly worded "story" about a "friends" dog who died, or dog that she hit in the road, could fit. I have lots of experience with 50+ dogs...(would decomp of a canine smell somewhat similar to that of a human? Don't know as I have never smelled either....

As far as GA looking in the bag before dumping (in a nearby empty lot as one would certainly not want to put that smelly thing in their own trash can, especially if trash pickup day is not imminent.), I know I certainly wouldn't make it a point to open the bag containing anything dead to "look at it first", but that is just me!

A few things that have popped back into my head...

Do you recall when KC wrote the letter to Sheriff Beary requesting a private meeting with her father?

Do you recall KC stating to CA in jail video that she was told she could choose ONE person to meet with privately and she was choosing GA since "they hadn't been that close lately"?

Do you recall when GA visited her in the jail while Jose was out of town playing with Geraldo and GA stated on jail video to KC that he could make a private visit with him happen (that day) since she was the "CEO" and that he had already begun the process of making it happen?

Always struck me as odd that GA was the one that KC would want to use this one private visit with. My recollection is that the family dynamics were that both KC and LA thought of their dad as a "joke" and both were supposively closer to CA. GA also seemed to be the only one who would call KC out on her lies, until CA intevened shutting GA down.

I think this should at least be looked at. It could explain a lot.

By the way, from the first time KC jail videos hit the media, the only two statements that I felt were truth related (and because she repeated them so consistently and adamantly) were "I feel she is close to home" and "I do not know where Caylee is".

From the first time I heard it, I believed that KC really did not know where Caylee's body was at the time, although she did know that she was not living...just didn't know the EXACT spot that "someone" (known to her) disposed of the body!

Typically children of police officers, or ex-police officers as in this case, think the parent will be able to make that connection with LE and somehow "make it right". In-other-words, KC may have felt her Dad could help her make this whole thing disappear. I think that "cop" in GA was trying to get information from his daughter and probably had assurances from LE that they would go easy on her if she "spilled the beans". JMO