Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[seagull65]

This was played again tonight and this comment stuck out in a strange way.

Casey to GA - "We need to stick together on this" and GA responded "We are going to stick together"

This really is somewhat strange along with the fact that when GA first was walking up to the car at the tow-yard. The stranger (worker) told him that it smelled like death or something like that and GA kind of annoyed that statement. If I was walking up to my daughter's car and someone said it smelled like death .... I would have freaked. It was almost like he was already aware of the smell.

I do not think that the GP's were aware of the original murder but do think they get involved a little too deep later with a cover-up story. Maybe just a little and got pulled in too deep to reveal the truth.

Thoughts?

I don't suspect the Anthonys of any wrong doing, but I always wondered during the visits at the jail with Casey why a couple of times she assures them, "I haven't told anyone anything", "I haven't been talking to anyone", "I haven't said anything to anyone", something along those lines. I can't quite pin it down. Just piqued my interest. Not that it's anything wrong, just made me wonder why she would be telling them that of all things. I mean, I would think the question would be why wasn't she saying more? Why isn't she talking about Caylee? Why would they be discussing anything else? You know, exactly the opposite. It made me wonder if there is kind of a culture or code in their family or their particular group that you don't talk to other people about anything, you only talk openly within the family.

 

[Zingo]

I agree and will add that I also don't believe that first jail house call with LA, CA and Kristina could have been scripted either.

They may have suspected/learned shortly after July 15th, but it is my opinion that none of them knew before then.

I agree, and I really can't believe that the same person who made that panicked call (CA) could allow her granddaughter to lie in the woods for five months. So, I just don't think they had any information. They may have known in their "gut" that Caylee was dead and suspected KC, but no WAY IMHO did they cover up the whereabouts of the body.

This family is simply griefstricken and dysfunctional ... they have been living with a lying, manupulative person who rages whenever she is confronted. They have enabled her over the years; they have been in denial; and they are probably still in denial for the most part.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I have always thought that George helped Casey when he found out what Casey had done to Caylee. Then the whole family was involved in the coverup, IMO. They had their 'script' to stick to. Early on, I thought that George had helped Casey dispose of Caylee's body. I had stated that George would have buried Caylee with love and as well as he could have under the circumstances. I was so wrong and no longer think that. I think that the duct tape and means of disposal was meant to look like a kidnapping. IMO, by the time George and Cindy found out what Casey had done to Caylee, Caylee was beginning to decompose and everyone knew it was too late to simply call LE. How could a two and a half year old be so far into decomposing before anyone called? How could that be explained? It could not. This is where I believe the script came into being. This is the beginning of the coverup and the family beginning to know they had to stick together and agree on the story.

Chloroform breaks down protein. In the long run, I think it will have been used as a cleaning agent. Gasoline was probably used to clean as well.

I also believe that Lee manufactured the email from 'Heather' and that he has mislead LE throughout the investigation. I can't begin to name all Cindy has lied about and done.

All in all, Casey saying that 'we need to stick together on this' and George's affirmation to Casey that 'they would stick together on this' says it all, IMO. (to me anyway!)

JMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am so glad you brought this up!! I thought the same thing and was going to mention it. I had not seen that part of the clip before tonight and it did strike me as odd.

I just do not see how OCSO or the FBI can easily rule it out that this family did not know anything about her death. Too many things point to their home. Too many things point to them possibly being present when the murder happened, imo. Too many stories don't gel including the 31 Days headstart of covering it up. How can they rule them out? They refuse LDTs. They have not cooperated fully, imo. They have lied, imo.

I agree with you on so many points, SS! I have been here from the beginning and always read your posts with interest. Maybe the real truth will come out at trial.

I agree that there are just too many things that do not gel!

 

[seagull65]

Watching the jailhouse videos, I just come to the conclusion that Casey is trying to manipulate her parents, and they are scared to confront her. This points to a dysfunctional family, but I don't see how it implicates GA or CA in a "cover up."

When I heard KC say, "We've always stuck together and we need to stick together on this," it's just her manipulative gobblety gook. The implication is: "It's US against everybody else" and KC is trying to convince her parents of her complete innocence, and victim status.

And, I don't think they're convinced of her innocence, at least from the way they're acting in the videos. GA doesn't look KC in the eyes, and seems to patronize her by rotely agreeing with her. CA is a basketcase, and when she asks pointed questions, KC freaks out. This is how KC is able to manipulate her parents, and no doubt how she's manipulated them in the past: she rages. And then they back off.

My brother was addicted to drugs while in high school, and I saw how he behaved in a similar way to KC with her parents. (Fortunately, he got help in rehab, and he's doing great now). But before that, anytime my parents confronted him about his actions or behavior or whether he was doing drugs, he turned the conversation around and attacked them, or tried to make them believe he was the victim of a conspiracy by the police, or his teachers, or "the system." He was completely dishonest and manipulative, and I recognize the pattern. I don't know if KC has been a drug addict or not, but I see in her behavior what I remember with my brother. And for so many years, my parents were in denial. So that rings true, too, when I see GA and CA defending KC.

It's cruel ... My heart actually feels so sorry for the Anthony family.

(Sorry to be longwinded on my first post! I've been reading all the wonderful posts here for a couple of months.)

I agree, Zingo, I know a lot of us here do. You can tell they had already been beating their heads against the wall for some time with her. It is so terrible for families of people with an addiction, or mental illness, or other behavioral disorder. The family can't escape from this person, they have to deal with this person all the time, they worry themselves sick for them, yet it's impossible dealing with them and being around them. They learn to just avoid the conflict because it goes nowhere to confront the person. Neighbors reported that KC yelled and screamed a lot at the house and would sometimes leave the house screaming. Of course we don't know her reasons, she may have reasons we don't know about, but it's possible her parents had had to put up with one of these situations like beating their heads against the wall for some time. A lot of times there's nothing families can do, it's a terrible situation.

Still, I did wonder how KC's parents could refrain from continuing to ask questions. I wouldn't have been able to stop myself. Regardless if she threatened to storm out and leave the interview or whatever. Let her storm out. She's not going anywhere. If it were me, I would pin her down relentlessly with questions, I would not be able to stop, thinking of the other little family member out there missing. I would have gone in to see her and said, the urgent thing right now is that Caylee is missing and in danger. We are here to hear anything you can tell us about what has gone on and where Caylee is. Talk. We will sit here all hour, talk when you feel the urge to talk, but only about Caylee, we aren't here to discuss anything else. But that's just me. But you never know, maybe they know something about KC's situation that we don't know and they knew that if she talked Caylee would be harmed. I don't know.

 

[Oakley]

I have always thought that George helped Casey when he found out what Casey had done to Caylee. Then the whole family was involved in the coverup, IMO. They had their 'script' to stick to. Early on, I thought that George had helped Casey dispose of Caylee's body. I had stated that George would have buried Caylee with love and as well as he could have under the circumstances. I was so wrong and no longer think that. I think that the duct tape and means of disposal was meant to look like a kidnapping. IMO, by the time George and Cindy found out what Casey had done to Caylee, Caylee was beginning to decompose and everyone knew it was too late to simply call LE. How could a two and a half year old be so far into decomposing before anyone called? How could that be explained? It could not. This is where I believe the script came into being. This is the beginning of the coverup and the family beginning to know they had to stick together and agree on the story.

Chloroform breaks down protein. In the long run, I think it will have been used as a cleaning agent. Gasoline was probably used to clean as well.

I also believe that Lee manufactured the email from 'Heather' and that he has mislead LE throughout the investigation. I can't begin to name all Cindy has lied about and done.

All in all, Casey saying that 'we need to stick together on this' and George's affirmation to Casey that 'they would stick together on this' says it all, IMO. (to me anyway!)

JMO

Hope you don't mind my jumping in, LA LAW. Just wanted to say I agree with all you have said. About the staging a kidnapping though, most if not all of the forensic experts I have heard on TV have stated they believe the duct tape was applied pre-mortem (correct terminology?) If that was her intention (to stage a kidnapping) she surely didn't think it through too carefully (heart sticker on mouth, Winne the Pooh blanket, favorite book (not yet verified,) so close to home etc. But then we know Casey doesn't think things through.

 

[seagull65]

I agree, and I really can't believe that the same person who made that panicked call (CA) could allow her granddaughter to lie in the woods for five months. So, I just don't think they had any information. They may have known in their "gut" that Caylee was dead and suspected KC, but no WAY IMHO did they cover up the whereabouts of the body.

This family is simply griefstricken and dysfunctional ... they have been living with a lying, manupulative person who rages whenever she is confronted. They have enabled her over the years; they have been in denial; and they are probably still in denial for the most part.

I agree, I think they're just totally griefstricken now. I thought they had every right to hold out hope Caylee was alive as long as they did and I would have done exactly the same, who wouldn't? You would never turn your back on the hope that your little child might still be out there, until the body was found. I think now, it's just all over for them, they're just in grief.

At times I suspected them of some knowledge early on, here and there, but then in their meetings at the jail, when speaking to KC, it comes out repeatedly, you can tell they really are desperate to get some information from her that could lead them to finding Caylee. They don't know where she is. They beg briefly. Then she continues with her empty patter about nothing. Cindy puts her head down and cries. George just goes through the motions of making conversation and looks totally exhausted. I do feel terrible for them and Caylee and Lee. For all I know, KC could be innocent of any wrongdoing to Caylee, in which case I feel terrible for her, too, or maybe not, maybe she's involved, but in either case, I do think she probably has some disorder. She never seemed to fully understand that Caylee was missing or how urgent the situation was.

I don't know how much they enabled her or not. It could be nothing they ever did could have changed her behavior.

 

[Zingo]

I agree, Zingo, I know a lot of us here do. You can tell they had already been beating their heads against the wall for some time with her. It is so terrible for families of people with an addiction, or mental illness, or other behavioral disorder. The family can't escape from this person, they have to deal with this person all the time, they worry themselves sick for them, yet it's impossible dealing with them and being around them. They learn to just avoid the conflict because it goes nowhere to confront the person. Neighbors reported that KC yelled and screamed a lot at the house and would sometimes leave the house screaming. Of course we don't know her reasons, she may have reasons we don't know about, but it's possible her parents had had to put up with one of these situations like beating their heads against the wall for some time. A lot of times there's nothing families can do, it's a terrible situation.

Still, I did wonder how KC's parents could refrain from continuing to ask questions. I wouldn't have been able to stop myself. Regardless if she threatened to storm out and leave the interview or whatever. Let her storm out. She's not going anywhere. If it were me, I would pin her down relentlessly with questions, I would not be able to stop, thinking of the other little family member out there missing. I would have gone in to see her and said, the urgent thing right now is that Caylee is missing and in danger. We are here to hear anything you can tell us about what has gone on and where Caylee is. Talk. We will sit here all hour, talk when you feel the urge to talk, but only about Caylee, we aren't here to discuss anything else. But that's just me. But you never know, maybe they know something about KC's situation that we don't know and they knew that if she talked Caylee would be harmed. I don't know.

Exactly, Seagull. Most parents would do exactly what you describe -- pester their child to come clean. But as we all know the Anthony's are not a normal family. :bang: They are highly dysfunctional. I don't know where I heard this: Maybe on NG, but someone described GA and CA as KC's "hostages." They are hostage to her. She knows how to push their buttons. She knows how to get them to back off. We see this in the video where KC shakes her clenched fist and clenches her teeth, and is seething with anger. All her mom did was ask about a location she visited in attempting to find her granddaughter. Once KC got angry, GA and CA backed off. They are so AFRAID of KC's wrath.

And your point about how they believed Caylee might be harmed if KC told the truth is just one more example of KC's manipulative hold on them. They are so caught up in her lies they can't see the truth anymore. KC convinced them not to question her because she told them Caylee (and indeed the entire family) would be at further risk if it got out in the media. That doesn't make sense to anybody in the real world. But to the Anthony's, it's plausible.

Even after her death, Caylee was still being used as a pawn in her mother's deceptive schemes ...

 

[LaLaw2000]

Hope you don't mind my jumping in, LA LAW. Just wanted to say I agree with all you have said. About the staging a kidnapping though, most if not all of the forensic experts I have heard on TV have stated they believe the duct tape was applied pre-mortem (correct terminology?) If that was her intention (to stage a kidnapping) she surely didn't think it through too carefully (heart sticker on mouth, Winne the Pooh blanket, favorite book (not yet verified,) so close to home etc. But then we know Casey doesn't think things through.

Thanks, lacey clementine!

I don't always agree with the experts and am certainly not one myself. Guess I just think that the duct tape was put on after death. (sorry for being so graphic) Postmortem.

Believe me, I am not thinking that Casey was very smart, tho! And she did state that 'Zanny' had everything for Caylee at her home - even shoes!

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

Well, cover up I think...BUT I think IMO that they did not know Caylee was deceased. I should have worded that better!

I think that whenever the family had any kind of mess...they went into private/sort it out mode.

Cindy was totally panicked on that 911 call...she was putting more pressure on Casey with each call...then the final one with the dead body remark...trying to break Casey's stonewalling.

Even Lee on his visits seemed to be trying to get his sister to break and tell.

I think the family surely suspected...but that family likes it's secrets and had years of messes to clean up.

ITA, After watching the jail house visit tapes from Aug. 14th, I just can't believe the A's knew Caylee was dead and were covering for KC. First, that tape did nothing to help KC and IMHO, Cindy was still desperately trying to get any tiny bit of information out of her. Practically begging her for information without setting her off, which seems to be about impossible. How dare any question KC? KC even complained about CA and LA's questiong, asking the same thing over and over and their list of questions. Why do that if they knew? I certainly don't believe KC would ever help in covering for them so I really believe she was sick of them trying to get information from her. People keep asking why they didn't push KC or demand answers from her. but they were desperate for ANYTHING, any little grain of information KC would toss them. If they pushed her (as we saw) she exploded and threatened to walk away, they knew they couldn't demand anything from her and risk her walking out, she was the ONLY link they had to information on Caylee, so they tried to sweet talk and cajole her. From watching George I believe he "knew" Caylee was dead. He didn't know because KC told him or because he was involved, he just "knew." Cindy is clearly clinging to hope that Caylee is still alive though and George is going along because he doesn't have anything concrete otherwise.

I'm not saying they aren't covering for KC now, but I honestly believe on August 14th they, especially Cindy, were honestly still trying to find a live Caylee.

As for KC, that entire visit was all about manipulating them into getting her out of jail. She was almost taunting them. "I can't help you from here." ... "I can't do anything from here." ... "I'm completely out of the loop and have no idea what is going on." .... "What am I learning from this?" ... "I've been her for a MONTH, how am I supposed to have new insights?"
The implication being... "The only way for you to get Caylee back is to get me out of here."

 

[Oakley]

Thanks, lacey clementine!

I don't always agree with the experts and am certainly not one myself. Guess I just think that the duct tape was put on after death. (sorry for being so graphic) Postmortem.

Believe me, I am not thinking that Casey was very smart, tho! And she did state that 'Zanny' had everything for Caylee at her home - even shoes!

I initially thought staged kidnapping too. Not sure what to think now. I don't want to believe the tape was applied pre-mortem. Too awful to reconcile in my mind. Truth will come out in trial, as well as all the other missing pieces.

 

[Hope for the Best]

Watching the jailhouse videos, I just come to the conclusion that Casey is trying to manipulate her parents, and they are scared to confront her. This points to a dysfunctional family, but I don't see how it implicates GA or CA in a "cover up."

When I heard KC say, "We've always stuck together and we need to stick together on this," it's just her manipulative gobblety gook. The implication is: "It's US against everybody else" and KC is trying to convince her parents of her complete innocence, and victim status.

And, I don't think they're convinced of her innocence, at least from the way they're acting in the videos. GA doesn't look KC in the eyes, and seems to patronize her by rotely agreeing with her. CA is a basketcase, and when she asks pointed questions, KC freaks out. This is how KC is able to manipulate her parents, and no doubt how she's manipulated them in the past: she rages. And then they back off.

My brother was addicted to drugs while in high school, and I saw how he behaved in a similar way to KC with her parents. (Fortunately, he got help in rehab, and he's doing great now). But before that, anytime my parents confronted him about his actions or behavior or whether he was doing drugs, he turned the conversation around and attacked them, or tried to make them believe he was the victim of a conspiracy by the police, or his teachers, or "the system." He was completely dishonest and manipulative, and I recognize the pattern. I don't know if KC has been a drug addict or not, but I see in her behavior what I remember with my brother. And for so many years, my parents were in denial. So that rings true, too, when I see GA and CA defending KC.

It's cruel ... My heart actually feels so sorry for the Anthony family.

(Sorry to be longwinded on my first post! I've been reading all the wonderful posts here for a couple of months.)

Great first post, Zingo! Welcome! I totally agree with you, too. I really don't think the A's were involved or knew anything (other than just speculation). My SIL is a manipulative witch and reminds me so much of Casey. The rest of the family walks on eggshells around her to avoid setting her off. In a case like this, where a beloved family member is missing and a crazy sociopath holds the key to where she might be, the only way to get that key is with alot of finesse. No one is going to be able to bully the truth out of her, as we've all witnessed so far with Casey. She will tell if she wants to tell, and if she told her parents, then she wouldn't have the power of knowing what they don't.

And, if the A's knew all along what happened and truly wanted to cover it up, then why did CA even make that first 911 call? Seems they could've saved themselves a whole lot of trouble by simply keeping quiet about it, sending Casey away to live somewhere else, and then saying Caylee was with her. I doubt anyone would ever have found out.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I agree, Zingo, I know a lot of us here do. You can tell they had already been beating their heads against the wall for some time with her. It is so terrible for families of people with an addiction, or mental illness, or other behavioral disorder. The family can't escape from this person, they have to deal with this person all the time, they worry themselves sick for them, yet it's impossible dealing with them and being around them. They learn to just avoid the conflict because it goes nowhere to confront the person. Neighbors reported that KC yelled and screamed a lot at the house and would sometimes leave the house screaming. Of course we don't know her reasons, she may have reasons we don't know about, but it's possible her parents had had to put up with one of these situations like beating their heads against the wall for some time. A lot of times there's nothing families can do, it's a terrible situation.

<respectfully snipped>
but according to Cindy, KC had/has none of the issues you described above. She was 'mother of the year' that did nothing worse but tell the occasional mistruth. So it would seem that according to the A's, this didn't apply...unless they are telling mistruths too. jmo

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

This was played again tonight and this comment stuck out in a strange way.

Casey to GA - "We need to stick together on this" and GA responded "We are going to stick together"

This really is somewhat strange along with the fact that when GA first was walking up to the car at the tow-yard. The stranger (worker) told him that it smelled like death or something like that and GA kind of annoyed that statement. If I was walking up to my daughter's car and someone said it smelled like death .... I would have freaked. It was almost like he was already aware of the smell.

I do not think that the GP's were aware of the original murder but do think they get involved a little too deep later with a cover-up story. Maybe just a little and got pulled in too deep to reveal the truth.

Thoughts?

When I think of what they said there, I also think about Casey saying "don't worry, I didn't say anything", Cindy with the "we forgive you if you've said anything" and George's comment about things coming out if this gets too far. I really wonder if the whole family is covering up some sort of secret about this.

 

[Zingo]

ITA, After watching the jail house visit tapes from Aug. 14th, I just can't believe the A's knew Caylee was dead and were covering for KC. First, that tape did nothing to help KC and IMHO, Cindy was still desperately trying to get any tiny bit of information out of her. Practically begging her for information without setting her off, which seems to be about impossible. How dare any question KC? KC even complained about CA and LA's questiong, asking the same thing over and over and their list of questions. Why do that if they knew? I certainly don't believe KC would ever help in covering for them so I really believe she was sick of them trying to get information from her. People keep asking why they didn't push KC or demand answers from her. but they were desperate for ANYTHING, any little grain of information KC would toss them. If they pushed her (as we saw) she exploded and threatened to walk away, they knew they couldn't demand anything from her and risk her walking out, she was the ONLY link they had to information on Caylee, so they tried to sweet talk and cajole her. From watching George I believe he "knew" Caylee was dead. He didn't know because KC told him or because he was involved, he just "knew." Cindy is clearly clinging to hope that Caylee is still alive though and George is going along because he doesn't have anything concrete otherwise.

I'm not saying they aren't covering for KC now, but I honestly believe on August 14th they, especially Cindy, were honestly still trying to find a live Caylee.

As for KC, that entire visit was all about manipulating them into getting her out of jail. She was almost taunting them. "I can't help you from here." ... "I can't do anything from here." ... "I'm completely out of the loop and have no idea what is going on." .... "What am I learning from this?" ... "I've been her for a MONTH, how am I supposed to have new insights?"
The implication being... "The only way for you to get Caylee back is to get me out of here."

Really nice analysis! And if LP is correct, at the time of this video, KC knew she was going to be bailed out. So, if true, that proves KC just likes to F*** with her parents' minds and make them feel guilty.

My guess is CA and GA have contributed to KC's behavior over the years through their own messed-up patterns, but, in the end, like little Caylee, they are her victims.

 

[Oakley]

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I agree, Zingo, I know a lot of us here do. You can tell they had already been beating their heads against the wall for some time with her. It is so terrible for families of people with an addiction, or mental illness, or other behavioral disorder. The family can't escape from this person, they have to deal with this person all the time, they worry themselves sick for them, yet it's impossible dealing with them and being around them. They learn to just avoid the conflict because it goes nowhere to confront the person. Neighbors reported that KC yelled and screamed a lot at the house and would sometimes leave the house screaming. Of course we don't know her reasons, she may have reasons we don't know about, but it's possible her parents had had to put up with one of these situations like beating their heads against the wall for some time. A lot of times there's nothing families can do, it's a terrible situation.

<respectfully snipped>
but according to Cindy, KC had/has none of the issues you described above. She was 'mother of the year' that did nothing worse but tell the occasional mistruth. So it would seem that according to the A's, this didn't apply...unless they are telling mistruths too. jmo

We know Cindy talks out of both sides of her mouth. And that is one reason, I believe, many suspect this family of covering up. Major credibility issues, IMO.

ETA: Remember on LKL, when asked why she changed her mind, she replied "I changed my mind, I didn't change my mind." And of course George's infamous "In my professional opinion I never realized how badly pizza could smell in a car in Florida." If no cover up, how do you explain this?

 

[seagull65]

And your point about how they believed Caylee might be harmed if KC told the truth is just one more example of KC's manipulative hold on them. They are so caught up in her lies they can't see the truth anymore. KC convinced them not to question her because she told them Caylee (and indeed the entire family) would be at further risk if it got out in the media. That doesn't make sense to anybody in the real world. But to the Anthony's, it's plausible.

Even after her death, Caylee was still being used as a pawn in her mother's deceptive schemes ...

Thank you.
Although I'm not completely sure about the threat of harm to Caylee being a lie. I think there is the remote possibility, however small, that that could actually be true or that it could include a shred of truth. I think it's possible that the family may have some idea who KC was associated with who could possibly make such a threat. These things could actually happen in some groups. Retribution crimes are actually committed against a person's relatives, even children in some groups. At times I got the impression that due to whatever disorder or condition (or possible drug usage) (my opinion only, I don't know if this is the case) KC might have been experiencing, she couldn't remember for sure who had Caylee, she could have lost her somewhere or forgotten her somewhere and couldn't remember where, or she thought someone she knew had her, and at first she didn't think they would hurt Caylee. Or, that Caylee was being held to silence KC about criminal activity she knew about, or until a drug debt was paid, or for some other reason, but that Caylee could be harmed if she told. I'm still not completely sure. In some subcultures you don't tell. Period.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Great first post, Zingo! Welcome! I totally agree with you, too. I really don't think the A's were involved or knew anything (other than just speculation). My SIL is a manipulative witch and reminds me so much of Casey. The rest of the family walks on eggshells around her to avoid setting her off. In a case like this, where a beloved family member is missing and a crazy sociopath holds the key to where she might be, the only way to get that key is with alot of finesse. No one is going to be able to bully the truth out of her, as we've all witnessed so far with Casey. She will tell if she wants to tell, and if she told her parents, then she wouldn't have the power of knowing what they don't.

And, if the A's knew all along what happened and truly wanted to cover it up, then why did CA even make that first 911 call? Seems they could've saved themselves a whole lot of trouble by simply keeping quiet about it, sending Casey away to live somewhere else, and then saying Caylee was with her. I doubt anyone would ever have found out.

I think they may have only called 911 because they figured someone else would if they didn't. The people at Cindy's work had told her she should go home and call the police, and Cindy knew at least one person at the tow yard smelt "the smell". She told her co-workers that she didn't want to call the police as she wanted to give Casey an opportunity to explain, but they insisted she go home and call them. But, instead, it seems she called Amy and then did a lot of things befoe calling the police. So, I'm not convinced she called because she wanted to, but rather because she knew she wasn't going to get away with hiding it anymore and had no choice.

 

[seagull65]

<respectfully snipped>
but according to Cindy, KC had/has none of the issues you described above. She was 'mother of the year' that did nothing worse but tell the occasional mistruth. So it would seem that according to the A's, this didn't apply...unless they are telling mistruths too. jmo

I think Cindy admitted KC was a compulsive liar and thief, but that she had no history whatsoever of harm or hostility toward Caylee, so Cindy couldn't believe KC could ever harm Caylee (KC's friends said the same thing). If KC did actually harm Caylee, maybe she had deteriorated further into drug usage than people knew or into a serious mental illness or thinking disorder.

 

[Zingo]

We know Cindy talks out of both sides of her mouth. And that is one reason, I believe, many suspect this family of covering up. Major credibility issues, IMO.

Point taken. But to believe they covered up either a) knowledge of the death; or b) knowledge of the location of the body ... is a logical leap, in the following respects:

When CA placed the panicked 911 call, she did not already know her granddaughter was dead. NO ONE could be that convincing of an actress. She would be better than Meryl Streep. Give her a lifetime academy award.

And CA, who demanded to see her granddaughter, and tracked down KC by sleuthing out her friends, would NEVER have let that granddaughter lie in a trash bag in the woods for five months to save KC. I'd bet my HOUSE on that.

CA is in denial ... and that is one of the stages of GRIEF. She doesn't want any of this to be real, so she speaks out of both sides of her mouth because she does NOT have a firm grip on reality. Reality, for her, is just too painful. She has no concept of truth right now. She's swimming in KC's lies, and cannot confront the reality that her daughter is very likely a cold-blooded killer.