Casey to GA "We need to stick together on this." 8/14/08 Jail Visit

[debs]

Originally Posted by passionflower
kc also said that 'I need to look like a victim'...............huh????


You know I was wondering about this statement too. What the heck is that suppose to mean. I don't recall the response to that. Does anybody remember who responded and what was said?

The quote is "I need to be looked at as a victim".....she then began to say "because I'm as much a victim as Caylee" but couldn't bring herself to finish that. Then the screen gives the one minute mark and she primps and checks her tears and bites her nails, and changed it to "I'm just as much a victim as the rest of you."
Victim here, victim here!!

 

[tiredofthis]

The quote is "I need to be looked at as a victim".....she then began to say "because I'm as much a victim as Caylee" but couldn't bring herself to finish that. Then the screen gives the one minute mark and she primps and checks her tears and bites her nails, and changed it to "I'm just as much a victim as the rest of you."
Victim here, victim here!!

Doesn't that just make you sick? Victim, my you know what! She is about as far from being a victim as a person can get. :furious:

 

[evergreen]

I have this idea maybe off the wall. but is it possible that when push came to shover, Caylee was valued less because there is no father, no family unit and the A's just circled the wagons around family blood?

 

[Zingo]

I absolutely agree with this. Your mind sometimes will "protect" you from things that are too horrific or painful.

My cousin found her sister who died in her sleep. She stopped over to see her after work one day and found her dead (she was just 39 years old) my cousin did not call 911 (her sister was very obviously had been dead for hours) she called her dad, then she went around and straightened up, she did the dishes, busy work, she remembers nothing of anything of this. She just shut down. My uncle found her doing dishes like nothing was wrong at all.

I think C&A (especially CA) immediatley went into a denial mode, thinking and believing there had to be some other explination.

Absolutely, N4GetC, I totally agree. Faced with two prospects, a) believing Caylee is dead and KC killed her, or b) Nanny kidnapped Caylee and she might still be alive ... which would any grandparent believe?

**Warning, graphic***don't read if you'll be offended***

Oh, and your story about your cousin rings true to me. We sometimes have a natural instinct to clean up when we're in shock... It's gruesome to recall this image, but I remember watching the video of JFK's assasination awhile back. And I couldn't get over how right after the bullets tore through Pres. Kennedy, Jackie Kennedy was climbing onto the trunk of the car, picking up pieces of her husband's "grey matter" -- in other words, she was retrieving parts of his brain. She went into immediate "clean up" mode -- as if she could put everything back together. (sorry to be graphic).

Years ago, my brother's friend's father was killed in a tragic roadside accident, and something similar happened. The mother watched in horror as her husband was struck and killed by a passing truck after they'd pulled over to switch drivers. The frantic wife immediately started picking up her husband's body parts because she didn't want them littering the highway. She risked her own life wandering around at night, in shock, on a highway to pick up the pieces. I KNOW. I KNOW. It's gross. But she was in shock.

People do weird things when they're in shock, and under the stress of loss. They clean up messes, they impede investigation. They try to put things back together the way they were. They distance themselves from reality.

Why did CA give the wrong brush to the FBI? Why did she switch her story about the smell of death to the smell of rotten pizza? Is it possible that subconsciously she just doesn't want to help with an investigation into her granddaughter's death?

So, yes, maybe she has been impeding the investigation, but I don't believe it was conscious, or in a knowing attempt to get KC off. I think CA knew it in her heart, but couldn't bring herself to admit it.

 

[tiredofthis]

I have this idea maybe off the wall. but is it possible that when push came to shover, Caylee was valued less because there is no father, no family unit and the A's just circled the wagons around family blood?

Caylee was part of the family and did have a blood link. I feel CA and GA knew Caylee was dead and couldn't be helped, so they decided to help the one person they could.

 

[eleven]

I know somebody whose child disappeared when he was four years old. It took her moments to freak out. Within mintues, after she couldn't find her son, she had called the police and was calling neighbors and friends. They all rallied together and began searching -- driving around, walking the neighborhood -- and they found her son in a park. It wasn't a good situation, and it could have ended very badly if they hadn't acted so quickly.

When I watch the jailhouse video, KC seems totally unconcerned about Caylee. Even when CA says something like, "Everybody's looking for her. Do you think we'll find her?" KC's answer, something like, "I don't know, Mom, I hope so," is so dull and emotionless.

When I think of this person I know who lost her four-year-old son for just minutes, and her panic and need to find him compared with KC's attitude of "Oh, my child is missing? Oh, someone murdered my child?" It's sickening.

I agree with the cover up. GA and CA may not have known about Caylee at the beginning, but I think they know now and are protecting (for whatever twisted reason) KC.

That is what cinches it for me - KC's complete lack of emotions and worry.

I also lost my son once, while camping in the woods, and although he was gone for only about 20 minutes - those were the most HORRIFYING moments of my life. I was a mess - literally WAILING....He was only 3...After searching for about 10 minutesI dropped to my knees in the middle of the forest and started praying to God and making all sorts of promises to God...."If you let me find him, I will never do this again or do that again...." I was dizzy, I was in total panic mode.

KC never even batted an eyelash over beautiful Caylee. She is truly deranged.

 

[mikeysmommom]

IMO, there would have been no decomp in the car if the parents knew about the death and helped KC dispose of the body. The decomp in the car tells us that for about 2 days KC didn't know what the heck to do, or was too busy to be bothered with disposing of her daughter's body.

Likewise, as has been pointed out, the car would not have been abandonned in a parking lot if GA and CA were involved. Abandonning a car to be towed at a huge expense has immature, irresponsible KC written all over it.

KC's "prints" are all over this crime.

ETA -- Here's what I think CA did wrong:

Trusting KC for 30 days with Caylee!

CA should have called the cops after one WEEK gone!

What did CA think? That her daughter, who was always broke, actually had the money to pay a nanny?

Being gullible. That's CA's crime.

I agree she was gullible. It is quite a leap to go from having a spiteful, thief,lying daughter to a daughter who kills her daughter. The average person IMO mind would not think a child you raised and love could do such a thing.

 

[Patty G]

Adding link to jailhouse visit and statement is ~16:19

http://www.wesh.com/video/18491789/index.html

 

[TxMother67]

You tell me how neither of the A's noticed the missing Pooh blanket or noticed a very new one and I'll stop believing intentional cover-up and obstruction of justice. Tell me how the denim skirt/skort and pink shirt ended up back in Caylee's closet but neither one noticed. Tell me how other items of Caylee's clothes were found with the body but were never identified as missing by either of them. Tell me why CA didn't walk to her bathroom to get Caylee's brush. Tell me why GA's first thought at the smell was "I hope this isn't my Caylee".

GA says he turned the car on. He would have seen that the gas gauge read correctly. The car had 3/8 of a tank. Oh sure, he poured gas into the car, but it wasn't out of gas. Forensics tells us this. The gauge was working properly. His little gas cans wouldn't fill the car to 3/8 of a tank.

At this split second in time he knows that the car did not run out of gas, it stinks like a dead body and it has been sitting right here for 2 weeks because it had been in Amscot's lot for 3 days, which then means KC has had no car all this time and has been lying about her and Caylee's whereabouts. DING! DING! DING! The bells had to have been going off.

They took the battery out of the car so she could not come and get it. Then CA went to work, told the whole story of the day and assured everyone that she would look into it when she got home, later and after hearing KC's explanation. GA went to work too. He didn't get home until CA was on the phone at the 3rd 911 call.

They needed time to think before reacting to the obvious?

How did GA drive the car home and not stink like the car?

After all of this they find her shacked up with some guy they never heard of, learn that she has been living with him for the entire time, without Caylee or a car, stealing from friends they never met and instead of calling LE to find the baby, CA plays around with threats of bringing other charges. All the while, the dead-body-stinking Pontiac is in the garage and they do not know where Caylee is.

What is killing them is that she has not admitted that it was an accident and they are coming to terms with her intent. The "little" lies and "fibs" they told were in hope that there was some salvation in this tragedy and that this was a horrible accident and a panicked KC. But, they can see for themselves, it was no accident. Look at her!

She won! Whatever sickness was in her head and home, she won. She destroyed everyone. Mom is begging her, she is laughing. Dad is talking so nice now, she thinks he is putty in her hands. Lee is running around with a notebook like an idiot, looking for something he can never find. They are all paying a lot of attention to her now and as long as they don't ask her ANY questions, she will allow them to talk to her and to see her on closed circuit tv. She does not want to be bothered with anymore questions! There are some she does not yet have an answer to, such as "why didn't you go back for the car?"

Amazing post! :clap::clap::clap:

 

[mikeysmommom]

That is what cinches it for me - KC's complete lack of emotions and worry.

I also lost my son once, while camping in the woods, and although he was gone for only about 20 minutes - those were the most HORRIFYING moments of my life. I was a mess - literally WAILING....He was only 3...After searching for about 10 minutesI dropped to my knees in the middle of the forest and started praying to God and making all sorts of promises to God...."If you let me find him, I will never do this again or do that again...." I was dizzy, I was in total panic mode.

KC never even batted an eyelash over beautiful Caylee. She is truly deranged.

I was shopping in a clothing store with my sis and my 2 kids.When I was looking at something on the rack, I took my eyes off of my kids for 2 seconds. When I could not see them I started yelling their names and within 2minutes I was hysterical.They went under the clothing rack to hide .When I starting yelling to please call the police,they popped out.KC did not act like a mom who cared that her daughter was missing. For KC it was party time IMO.










i

 

[Walk in IL]

There is another thing that KC said in that last-released tape that bothers me. She said that she was willing to talk to LE unless they came in attacking her and then they would "get nothing from me." It seems that even asking questions is "attacking" KC in her mind. Note how irritated she gets when Cindy asks a question. Remember that the first time LP tried to talk to KC after her bonding out of jail he told her to drop the Zanny story because it wouldn't fly. She never talked to him again. She did not want to appear at the last hearing but the judge insisted that she be present. Remember how stoic she has appeared in the perp walks, at hearings. I don't believe anyone will ever know exactly what happened to Caylee. How dare anyone question the queen.

 

[tiredofthis]

There is another thing that KC said in that last-released tape that bothers me. She said that she was willing to talk to LE unless they came in attacking her and then they would "get nothing from me." It seems that even asking questions is "attacking" KC in her mind. Note how irritated she gets when Cindy asks a question. Remember that the first time LP tried to talk to KC after her bonding out of jail he told her to drop the Zanny story because it wouldn't fly. She never talked to him again. She did not want to appear at the last hearing but the judge insisted that she be present. Remember how stoic she has appeared in the perp walks, at hearings. I don't believe anyone will ever know exactly what happened to Caylee. How dare anyone question the queen.

ITA. She will never talk. She can also use this as a chance to punish her parents further. Can you imagine the hell they are going through wondering what Caylee's last moments were like?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You tell me how neither of the A's noticed the missing Pooh blanket or noticed a very new one and I'll stop believing intentional cover-up and obstruction of justice. Tell me how the denim skirt/skort and pink shirt ended up back in Caylee's closet but neither one noticed. Tell me how other items of Caylee's clothes were found with the body but were never identified as missing by either of them. Tell me why CA didn't walk to her bathroom to get Caylee's brush. Tell me why GA's first thought at the smell was "I hope this isn't my Caylee".

GA says he turned the car on. He would have seen that the gas gauge read correctly. The car had 3/8 of a tank. Oh sure, he poured gas into the car, but it wasn't out of gas. Forensics tells us this. The gauge was working properly. His little gas cans wouldn't fill the car to 3/8 of a tank.

At this split second in time he knows that the car did not run out of gas, it stinks like a dead body and it has been sitting right here for 2 weeks because it had been in Amscot's lot for 3 days, which then means KC has had no car all this time and has been lying about her and Caylee's whereabouts. DING! DING! DING! The bells had to have been going off.

They took the battery out of the car so she could not come and get it. Then CA went to work, told the whole story of the day and assured everyone that she would look into it when she got home, later and after hearing KC's explanation. GA went to work too. He didn't get home until CA was on the phone at the 3rd 911 call.

They needed time to think before reacting to the obvious?

How did GA drive the car home and not stink like the car?

After all of this they find her shacked up with some guy they never heard of, learn that she has been living with him for the entire time, without Caylee or a car, stealing from friends they never met and instead of calling LE to find the baby, CA plays around with threats of bringing other charges. All the while, the dead-body-stinking Pontiac is in the garage and they do not know where Caylee is.

What is killing them is that she has not admitted that it was an accident and they are coming to terms with her intent. The "little" lies and "fibs" they told were in hope that there was some salvation in this tragedy and that this was a horrible accident and a panicked KC. But, they can see for themselves, it was no accident. Look at her!

She won! Whatever sickness was in her head and home, she won. She destroyed everyone. Mom is begging her, she is laughing. Dad is talking so nice now, she thinks he is putty in her hands. Lee is running around with a notebook like an idiot, looking for something he can never find. They are all paying a lot of attention to her now and as long as they don't ask her ANY questions, she will allow them to talk to her and to see her on closed circuit tv. She does not want to be bothered with anymore questions! There are some she does not yet have an answer to, such as "why didn't you go back for the car?"

Excellent post!! Now...ask yourself this one, "What did they actually know and when did they know it?" then read your post with this in mind. If they knew from the beginning it would make more sense, wouldn't it?!

 

[rosepetal1065]

You tell me how neither of the A's noticed the missing Pooh blanket or noticed a very new one and I'll stop believing intentional cover-up and obstruction of justice. Tell me how the denim skirt/skort and pink shirt ended up back in Caylee's closet but neither one noticed. Tell me how other items of Caylee's clothes were found with the body but were never identified as missing by either of them. Tell me why CA didn't walk to her bathroom to get Caylee's brush. Tell me why GA's first thought at the smell was "I hope this isn't my Caylee".

GA says he turned the car on. He would have seen that the gas gauge read correctly. The car had 3/8 of a tank. Oh sure, he poured gas into the car, but it wasn't out of gas. Forensics tells us this. The gauge was working properly. His little gas cans wouldn't fill the car to 3/8 of a tank.

At this split second in time he knows that the car did not run out of gas, it stinks like a dead body and it has been sitting right here for 2 weeks because it had been in Amscot's lot for 3 days, which then means KC has had no car all this time and has been lying about her and Caylee's whereabouts. DING! DING! DING! The bells had to have been going off.

They took the battery out of the car so she could not come and get it. Then CA went to work, told the whole story of the day and assured everyone that she would look into it when she got home, later and after hearing KC's explanation. GA went to work too. He didn't get home until CA was on the phone at the 3rd 911 call.

They needed time to think before reacting to the obvious?

How did GA drive the car home and not stink like the car?

After all of this they find her shacked up with some guy they never heard of, learn that she has been living with him for the entire time, without Caylee or a car, stealing from friends they never met and instead of calling LE to find the baby, CA plays around with threats of bringing other charges. All the while, the dead-body-stinking Pontiac is in the garage and they do not know where Caylee is.

What is killing them is that she has not admitted that it was an accident and they are coming to terms with her intent. The "little" lies and "fibs" they told were in hope that there was some salvation in this tragedy and that this was a horrible accident and a panicked KC. But, they can see for themselves, it was no accident. Look at her!

She won! Whatever sickness was in her head and home, she won. She destroyed everyone. Mom is begging her, she is laughing. Dad is talking so nice now, she thinks he is putty in her hands. Lee is running around with a notebook like an idiot, looking for something he can never find. They are all paying a lot of attention to her now and as long as they don't ask her ANY questions, she will allow them to talk to her and to see her on closed circuit tv. She does not want to be bothered with anymore questions! There are some she does not yet have an answer to, such as "why didn't you go back for the car?"

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[s1rebecca]

There is another thing that KC said in that last-released tape that bothers me. She said that she was willing to talk to LE unless they came in attacking her and then they would "get nothing from me." It seems that even asking questions is "attacking" KC in her mind. Note how irritated she gets when Cindy asks a question. Remember that the first time LP tried to talk to KC after her bonding out of jail he told her to drop the Zanny story because it wouldn't fly. She never talked to him again. She did not want to appear at the last hearing but the judge insisted that she be present. Remember how stoic she has appeared in the perp walks, at hearings. I don't believe anyone will ever know exactly what happened to Caylee. How dare anyone question the queen.

I remember CA asking KC if there were any of LE that she would talk to and she said she didn't mind Appy Wells. I re-watched the interviews on the Nancy Grace re-run and I noticed that Det. Wells seemed to get more out of her (even though it was all lies)but he seemed liked he was buying her BS so she talked much longer to him than to YM or JA because either of them were buying her crap. I think she truly believed he was buying her crap when he was really just letting her talk. I am sure Det. Wells caught her in numerous lies but he let her keep talking anyway.

 

[Paintr]

You tell me how neither of the A's noticed the missing Pooh blanket or noticed a very new one and I'll stop believing intentional cover-up and obstruction of justice. Tell me how the denim skirt/skort and pink shirt ended up back in Caylee's closet but neither one noticed. Tell me how other items of Caylee's clothes were found with the body but were never identified as missing by either of them. Tell me why CA didn't walk to her bathroom to get Caylee's brush. Tell me why GA's first thought at the smell was "I hope this isn't my Caylee".

GA says he turned the car on. He would have seen that the gas gauge read correctly. The car had 3/8 of a tank. Oh sure, he poured gas into the car, but it wasn't out of gas. Forensics tells us this. The gauge was working properly. His little gas cans wouldn't fill the car to 3/8 of a tank.

At this split second in time he knows that the car did not run out of gas, it stinks like a dead body and it has been sitting right here for 2 weeks because it had been in Amscot's lot for 3 days, which then means KC has had no car all this time and has been lying about her and Caylee's whereabouts. DING! DING! DING! The bells had to have been going off.

They took the battery out of the car so she could not come and get it. Then CA went to work, told the whole story of the day and assured everyone that she would look into it when she got home, later and after hearing KC's explanation. GA went to work too. He didn't get home until CA was on the phone at the 3rd 911 call.

They needed time to think before reacting to the obvious?

How did GA drive the car home and not stink like the car?

After all of this they find her shacked up with some guy they never heard of, learn that she has been living with him for the entire time, without Caylee or a car, stealing from friends they never met and instead of calling LE to find the baby, CA plays around with threats of bringing other charges. All the while, the dead-body-stinking Pontiac is in the garage and they do not know where Caylee is.

What is killing them is that she has not admitted that it was an accident and they are coming to terms with her intent. The "little" lies and "fibs" they told were in hope that there was some salvation in this tragedy and that this was a horrible accident and a panicked KC. But, they can see for themselves, it was no accident. Look at her!

She won! Whatever sickness was in her head and home, she won. She destroyed everyone. Mom is begging her, she is laughing. Dad is talking so nice now, she thinks he is putty in her hands. Lee is running around with a notebook like an idiot, looking for something he can never find. They are all paying a lot of attention to her now and as long as they don't ask her ANY questions, she will allow them to talk to her and to see her on closed circuit tv. She does not want to be bothered with anymore questions! There are some she does not yet have an answer to, such as "why didn't you go back for the car?"

When do you think the cover up started? I thought the A's might have known soon after the murder. Then I leaned towards the retrival of the car but if that were true then why did CA even make that call to police? Had that call not been made, Caylee would have dissappeared and they could have used the old 'went to live with her father' story. The child would be gone and no one would have questioned.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I think they started to realize it when KC kept running around the questions they asked,and they started to see KC was just worried about her self.But I dont think CA mind could accept it and started to have a nervous breakdown.George knew before CA did and IMO he saw she could not handle the truth of what KC did.So he was the one who told her it was the pizza and she latched on to that.IMO he tried to keep her in denial cause he has lost both his girls and does not want to lose her too.JMO

 

[costalpilot]

kc also said that 'I need to look like a victim'...............huh????

i believe she said she needed to be "viewed" or "seen" as a victim

 

[tx_Dot]

When do you think the cover up started? I thought the A's might have known soon after the murder. Then I leaned towards the retrival of the car but if that were true then why did CA even make that call to police? Had that call not been made, Caylee would have dissappeared and they could have used the old 'went to live with her father' story. The child would be gone and no one would have questioned.

If there was a cover-up by all the A's, you think the best they could do was the stupid nanny story ??........Not one thing in the nanny story could be verified by LE.

Also, why not report the car stolen ??

& as you said, involving LE blows any "cover-up" story.

If Cindy had never called LE, we could all be cleaning house

 

[Paintr]

If there was a cover-up by all the A's, you think the best they could do was the stupid nanny story ??........Not one thing in the nanny story could be verified by LE.

Also, why not report the car stolen ??

& as you said, involving LE blows any "cover-up" story.

If Cindy had never called LE, we could all be cleaning house

The whole phone calls thing confuses me. It doesn't seem to fit any story I come up with.

Nope! I still wouldn't be cleaning house. LOL!