Casey's Body Language and Reactionary Comments#3

[chemcopout]

casey anthony seems to have an extreme identity crisis. she has no idea who she is, adapts to whatever personality; persona seems to fit her. i'd love to see video footage of her in the jail cellblock and how she interacts with other inmates.

she may be trying to grow her hair long until she's free, however it's likely someone will cut if off for her in prison. not that she's not allowed to have long hair, there's just so many who hate baby killers there.

 

[spqr]

Personally, I think 25% of what she writes is in fact notes and "trial" strategy for JB and CM. The other 75% is made up of personal notes not directly related to the current preceedings as well as notes about errors in testimony that she witnessed from her family.
Those notes are then passed along to JB, to then be passed along to her family so they can all be on the same (obscure) page should any further pre-trial testimony be necessary as well as the very forthcoming actual trial. A not so veiled attempt at getting their stories straight.

But, I don't fret...the initial, unabridged stories have been told and documented. All they can do now is impeach and/or purger themselves...so have at it.

Death may be different, but they are ALL making sure death happens. JMO

 

[costalpilot]

I wonder if someone is gonna tell her: you have to at least try and look at your father and act like you don't hate his guts. And since lee didn't ride to the rescue Friday, I wonder if he is gonna be impossible for her to look. at next time around? That kind of body language will not sit well with jurors. I mean if the IS th's can't get over it, I'll bet the jury won't be able to either.

 

[doogiesgirl]

casey anthony seems to have an extreme identity crisis. she has no idea who she is, adapts to whatever personality; persona seems to fit her. i'd love to see video footage of her in the jail cellblock and how she interacts with other inmates.

she may be trying to grow her hair long until she's free, however it's likely someone will cut if off for her in prison. not that she's not allowed to have long hair, there's just so many who hate baby killers there.

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This may not be the appropriate thread but going on from where you left off....I think that the "not knowing who you are" is a quality of being a child of an overbearing & critical parent. When a child that new to adulthood has been constantly corrected & criticized - it doesn't foster an atmosphere of exploration of one's self. When the child repeats overbearing parents example & expects praise - but gets the opposite-- gets "criticism", there is a constant shifting & unsteadiness the child lives with (if that makes sense) .....that leaves no room to foster thoughts about who and what you want to be, what your talents/gifts are, because you are constantly worrying about pleasing the overbearing, critical parent, as well as your ideas for your own self being shot down/poo poo'd. Don't ask me how I know this....I just do. KC went to a place where there is no going back, no correcting, before she realized she needed to put some distance between her and said parent....which brings us to the present. She still needs to pay for her misdeeds. Her crimes can not be excused b/c she had questionable teachings, (which may have caused mental defects also).....maybe only understood. ? Her family background somewhat helps to explain why she did what she did.

On another note.....can someone tell me which video to watch to see all the grimacing from the peanut gallery that lead to HHJBP admonishing peanut gallery? TIA!!!!

And I have to add that GA's attitude, tone, disposition on stand??? WTH??? And that's being as nice as I can be!

:cow:

 

[Noddy]

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This may not be the appropriate thread but going on from where you left off....I think that the "not knowing who you are" is a quality of being a child of an overbearing & critical parent. When a child that new to adulthood has been constantly corrected & criticized - it doesn't foster an atmosphere of exploration of one's self. When the child repeats overbearing parents example & expects praise - but gets the opposite-- gets "criticism", there is a constant shifting & unsteadiness the child lives with (if that makes sense) .....that leaves no room to foster thoughts about who and what you want to be, what your talents/gifts are, because you are constantly worrying about pleasing the overbearing, critical parent, as well as your ideas for your own self being shot down/poo poo'd. Don't ask me how I know this....I just do. KC went to a place where there is no going back, no correcting, before she realized she needed to put some distance between her and said parent....which brings us to the present. She still needs to pay for her misdeeds. Her crimes can not be excused b/c she had questionable teachings, (which may have caused mental defects also).....maybe only understood. ? Her family background somewhat helps to explain why she did what she did.

On another note.....can someone tell me which video to watch to see all the grimacing from the peanut gallery that lead to HHJBP admonishing peanut gallery? TIA!!!!

And I have to add that GA's attitude, tone, disposition on stand??? WTH??? And that's being as nice as I can be!

:cow:

I totally agree with your thoery. With the A's influence and personal immature agenda I also think Casey just had to dissacociate emotionally from them. You can't do anything right when you're relying on such self indulgent parents to give guidance. No wonder Lee went into his shell when he was a teen.

Maybe this inferiority came out in ICA the night CA confronted her at Tony's and that's why Amy said it was like watching a 16 year old getting caught doing something wrong by her mum. Very weird.

I have to watch the live feed of the hearings whenever I can because the stations always cut out the great body language when they put them on tape. No fun. I saw CA, GA, and the PI JLyons doing it. JA did it and then there was a whole crowd doing it at the defense table. I also once saw the court reporter with a glimmer of a 'fssst, you got her, yeah' look when LDB was making an under the belly attack. Ooof. The recordings don't show most of it. Amil said that HHJP was keeping his eye on his own court and saw all of it. I hope when trial comes they'll do uncut recording like they do with KBelich and BSchneider.

 

[zoey]

It was quite a revealing thing that she was willing to go on an admitted wild goose chase when, supposedly, her daughter was in mortal danger. Priorities? Hello! Let's just waste some time here for awhile lol. Then when they asked how that stunt was helping to find Caylee - she had the brilliant idea of "Maybe showing some flyers to people". Yeah. Sure. Cause that's really what needed to happen at that point, and the only way to make that happen was lie about having a job at Universal...and why not do that for the past 31 days?

And the. The a 's complain about no amber report

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I still am fascinated by her constant "note taking". During what should be embarrassing talk about her lies and behavior and non-job, she seems to be once again in a fantasy world where she is a lawyer, not the defendant. When she is found guilty, she'll be all "oh that's a shame...wait, who? me?"

Yep, yesterday the note taking seemed more frenetic than usual. She also did alot of fake reading of files.

I think this will be her main coping mechanism when certain witnesses take the stand.

Baez will have to think of something else for when the more graphic testimony about Caylee is presented. :waitasec: Like a dig in the ribs...........act sad woman!

ICA needs to stop with the note taking for she appears to be disconnected when she does. It appeared as if she wrote on the entire note pad and furiously through the pages over...She really has stepped into a paralegal mode and I am now convinced that she truly thinks she will walk out of prison for she's got the goods on the detectives. I truly hope those jurors will see through the smut and go with the evidence. It is overwhelming against her and each piece of evidence supports that it leads to only one perp...and she sits in prison...Caylee's justice must be sweet and immediate. I still have faith in our judicial system and feel the jurors will do right by Caylee...This is just a side show until the trial begins in May...JMHO

I've never seen another defendant do all that scribbling in court. I don't know how Baez and Mason allow it. It's disrespectful. I'm surprised the judge hasn't called them on it.

If she does that when a jury is there, I'm sure they won't like it one bit. If I were on the jury, I'd take offense very quickly. How dare she do it when the trial is about the murder of her own daughter! Where is her soul? I just say JB, KC, and CM should be glad I'm not eligible for jury duty in Orange County. After seeing her do that during one day's session, I'd be saying, "Fry the murderer".

The arrogance, the nerve!

 

[Turnadot]

My personal dislike for Baez aside, it has to be annoying and distracting for his client to always be sliding notes at him when he's trying to listen and probably takes a few notes himself. He may not be lawyer of the year, but at least in the last hearing he really did do better and was concentrating on what was going on. I was sure at some point he would slide a note back telling her to knock it off. And KC grabbing at him while he was speaking to HHJP! Ugh.

IMO, a jury will loathe her detached demeanor.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I'm OT I know but I dont know where else to ask, it that TYPICAL to put a pic of the parent on a missing child flyer if that parent isn't the kiddnapper? I've seen them in cases where they know the abductor is a parent or whatnot but never for a child that was missing and of the mother unless the mother was the abductor.

Yes, I've seen pictures of the parent/s (and suspects) on flyers. It helps people associate the missing child with other people. Maybe all those parents I've seen on flyers were guilty, I don't know. :waitasec: But I've seen 'em.

 

[lacohiba]

Any thoughts on whether the following correctly nails why Casey is writing so furiously?

http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/03/06/casey-anthony-writing-letters-in-the-court-hearings/

 

[Solace]

RE: Baez. I have to say that he did an excellent job with these hearings. Cheney was a different person. They were both excellent.

I know that was a bit off topic. I think they are having KC write things down to keep her busy. If you notice when she started to cry when her mother first came on, Baez waves his hand in front of KC's face (as he is handing something to someone else) and she stops immediately.

BUT KC's reaction to Lee saying "maybe" (meaning he would have shared any letter she gave him with LE) SPEAKS VOLUMES. She was saying "this is what I have to work with" and then she completely ignored him.

No one, nobody is to tell KC what to do or confront her on her lies. She will totally disown you and that is that. She is a complete sociopath.

My son was asking me about particulars when I watched the hearings at home and he said what is the gist. I told him that it was 31 days without reporting. He said, what, wait a minute, 31 days? I said yes, he said who reported it. I told him CA. He then asked an important question - "how much a part of the grandparents lives was Caylee? I said she lived with them. He said and they let her be gone for 31 days not knowing she was okay. I said CA said she thought she was fine but was out of town (even though she knew KC was in and out of her house stealing money and getting clothes).

His reaction was it was totally ridiculous that the grandparents would allow this.

I said if you knew all the particulars about KC's history of stealing, lying, etc. you would be incredulous at the whole scene.

When watching Lee and KC talking at the prison, he said she is acting like she could go out partying that night. I said funny you should say that, because that is what she was doing while her child was missing.

I also said I believe she was killed in the afternoon, which to me was important. It is like an errand:

Go to K-Mart
Get gas
Kill Caylee
Call Tony
Go to Blockbuster.

 

[Meemom]

At one point during Friday's hearing, the paralegal (?) dark haired woman that usually sitting behind JB, wrote a note, folded it over, and put it on the table at JB's seat..ICA then proceeded to pick it up, open and read it, fold it back and slip it back on the table in the same spot......All I could think, was WTH?, how inappropiate to read a note that was obviously not for her, but for her Atty.! I don't think that kind of overt disrespect is going to go over well with a jury, either- smacks of a bit of paranioa--"I can't trust anyone, not even my own lawyer- they're all after me.." JMO

 

[Solace]

At one point during Friday's hearing, the paralegal (?) dark haired woman that usually sitting behind JB, wrote a note, folded it over, and put it on the table at JB's seat..ICA then proceeded to pick it up, open and read it, fold it back and slip it back on the table in the same spot......All I could think, was WTH?, how inappropiate to read a note that was obviously not for her, but for her Atty.! I don't think that kind of overt disrespect is going to go over well with a jury, either- smacks of a bit of paranioa--"I can't trust anyone, not even my own lawyer- they're all after me.." JMO

Have to disagree. If you notice she is allowed to look at absolutely everthing JB and DC are doing - she listens to their conversations etc.

Possibly you could be right as it could have been "personal" but then I would think that the para would not have left it like that on his chair. I am sure she knew KC would look.

 

[Turnadot]

Nice link, Locahiba. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

The incessant note-taking in the recent hearings is so interesting on a couple of levels. Many of the comments I've seen thus far agree that our "chameleon" is now fancying a Lawyer/paralegal role. She thinks it helps her in these ways:

The scribbling away makes her look totally "engaged", interested and astute.
The scribbling gives her a wonderful "out" so that she is "present"...but "not there" especially when family members want to make eye contact.
The scibbling allows her a great new fantasy, that she is "the boss", able to direct "the team".

I have to wonder if Andrea Lyon were still on board if she would allow this all-day-long scribbling. Anyone with half a brain can see that it is complete "deflection" on Casey's part. When the testimony (if we get to trial) gets tough..will Casey go through dozens of legal pads, barely looking up? The jury will think she's "hiding" in plain sight (which she is).

I find Casey's ability to morph into people around her to be endlessly interesting. I think if she were taken and plunked into any circumstance she'd very quickly start "becoming" them. This is why she'll do great in prison!

About the bolded part, why does she seem so content in prison? Her Pisces planets perhaps, Pisces is the sign which rules the natural 12th house, the house of prisons. Maybe she thinks of it as her private suite, no work, daily service, no parents bothering her.

Although I still say if I were the judge, I'd make her stop scribbling and pay attention! I don't see how it doesn't make him bonkers seeing her do that all day long.

Why did they switch tables? The defense used to be on the other side. For the record, I wish they'd move the court reporter out of camera view. Her typing has to be a bit bothersome to the witnesses. I've never seen one right in front of the witness box before.

 

[Meemom]

Have to disagree. If you notice she is allowed to look at absolutely everthing JB and DC are doing - she listens to their conversations etc.

Possibly you could be right as it could have been "personal" but then I would think that the para would not have left it like that on his chair. I am sure she knew KC would look.

I just meant that it kinda goes to her I'm the CEO, the one really in charge attitude. I saw her craning to read whatever was on CM's laptop a few times, too. All this, coupled with the insane note taking, reading evidence, etc. makes me think she doesn't have delusions of paralegal, but that she is actually beginning to think of herself as one of the attorneys instead of the defendant.....I think she may have a MAJOR reality breakdown during the trial, but not until she's confronting with something really damning, like the crime scene or autopsy photos. MOO

 

[Aedrys]

I wonder if it's just Casey getting the story the way she wants it down on paper. It seems like she's constantly not okay with the story being told to the court. Maybe she thinks, through listening to testimony and then writing down how it really happened, or what she wants herself to think that really happened (I'm not entirely sure that she sees it exactly how it happened, or if it has morphed in her mind to something else that happened that makes her not responsible) that she can get the story straight in her own mind and then maybe sell it for money someday. It's like she's constantly revising and rewriting what she hears in court to either soothe herself and/or what she believes about what happened. She writes an awful lot in that courtroom, and it can't just be for waste or letters to her parents - I mean we've never heard of her writing her parents back one time, but we've all heard about the letters they send her. She's doing far too much writing for it to be letters to her parents, people she hasn't communicated with in a long time.

I wouldn't think she would help her parents keep their stories straight either. I don't think she believes they are interested in helping her at all anyway. She certainly wouldn't write down what Lee said as mad as him as she was when he was testifying. Or who knows, maybe she's writing letters to her new prison BFF's, keeping them updated on her trial and what's happening. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[jennyb]

I asked the astrologers sometime ago about the bolded part, why does she seem so content in prison? They pointed to her Pisces planets, Pisces is the sign which rules the natural 12th house, the house of prisons.

Rather interesting observation, I thought.

Although I still say if I were the judge, I'd make her stop scribbling and pay attention! I don't see how it doesn't make him bonkers seeing her do that all day long.

Why did they switch tables? The defense used to be on the other side. For the record, I wish they'd move the court reporter out of camera view. Her typing has to be a bit bothersome to the witnesses. I've never seen one right in front of the witness box before.

That's off-putting to me too. Yes, the court reporter is always present but she's WAY too front and center. I feel like I'm forced to look at her WAY too much for the circumstances.

 

[Capri]

Any thoughts on whether the following correctly nails why Casey is writing so furiously?

http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/03/06/casey-anthony-writing-letters-in-the-court-hearings/

Interesting, but I'm not sure she is writing letters to anyone. Let's face it, she doesn't have That many friends or relatives for all the letters she's been writing. My take on it, is that it's just a coping mechanism. Kind of like some people twiddle their thumbs when they're nervous, or doodle on paper...she writes. It gives her something to do and allows her to avoid eye contact with family.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I think the constant writing is distracting to JB who is trying to listen to the testimony. If JB is doing the cross KC should be directing her questions to CM and let him decide to interrupt JB while he listens to the witness statements. KC was constantly shoving notes in front of him while he was trying to listen to what witnesses were saying. Somehow if this is permitted during the trial KC will be blaming the judge for not warning her that she distracted her attorney at the wrong time.

Also I noticed the PI was making faces, shaking his head, laughing at inapproriate times from the gallery. So between JL and the A's no wonder the judge warned them to stop their antics or they would be removed. Someone needs to hand GA a bucket to get rid of his gum. He knew enough not to have it in his mouth on the stand but back out into the seating area it was chomp, chomp, chomp. Very disrespectful and he knows better.

JB's body language was sometimes very funny and somewhat awkward like he practiced in the mirror. Steps to the side of the podium, takes a half step forward, raises his arm and points at Yuri and says, "And YOU........." Not sure what he said, just looked so practiced and phoney. It may have been about Yuri letting KC commit a crime because she was lying to him.

This was only a 3 day hearing so far and we have a list a mile long of things that were done wrong or misstatements from the witnesses and a defendant who is permitted to swing willfully at her attorney while he is addressing the court.

And my favorite because I held my breathe as I did not know what LDB was going to finish with is when she asked CA if she would have sat on KC to keep her from leaving the house and then LDB said you would have retrained her if you could. I thought LDB was going to say "You would have duct taped her to a chair if it would keep her from leaving" (or Kronked her). But LDB would not say that, too much class. For a second, though, I thought that was what was coming. lol jmo

OMG, I almost wet my pants. :floorlaugh:

Your post is hysterical. :great: