Casey's car: Did she intend to retrieve it from Amscot or what?

[kpalma715]

I'm sorry GA not game, lol (Touchscreen changed my words)

 

[Purple Iris]

I always thought it was left there on purpose, along with her purse or whatever it was in the front seat.

She would have then been able to say that she had left Caylee in the car for a minute because she was sleeping, and got out of the car to make a phone call, was "mugged" or something, and the car taken with Caylee in it.

If the car had really ended up being stolen, there would have been fingerprints, and those fingerprints would have been blamed for Caylee's disappearance and then death.

She had to have known that the car was towed though somehow, because otherwise, I really think that is the plan she was working on.
With her missing children google searches, etc.

She also had to have been keeping an eye on the car those few days so that she could have pulled off the rest of her story.
Maybe as luck would have it, she happened to be in the neighborhood when the car was actually being towed?
That would have put a big stop on her car-jacking and kidnapping story.

And, yes, the car was parked by the dumpster on purpose to cover the smell from the trunk.

 

[Bishoptutu]

I agree with what someone mentioned earlier was that she intended to dump the car. Once the car was towed even if she had the money she couldn't retreive the car because it wasn't registered in her name.

Once she killed Caylee she kept her body in the trunk of the car scouting a location to place the body. I think this is why there are times she has pings by the house but isn't always at the house. When she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor that's when she had the body in the backyard. I'm not saying she tried to bury it back there but she may have moved some things around.

The day she ran out of gas and Tony came to get her she was walking on Chickasaw (sp?) and I figure that was a day she scouted out a final place possibly walking into the wood where Caylee would later be found but she didn't bury her that day. A day or so after she when she ran into George at the house it was an accident and she couldn't let him in the trunk because Caylee was there and he would know what she'd done.

Casey finally buried Caylee in the woods in a few days later and claims to run out of gas and parks the car near the dumpster at the Amscot.

This is just my theory. When you look at everything it looks like she planned this murder and proceeded to coverup and halt any attempts to locate Caylee. I'm not sure what her defense will be but I don't think it can stand up against the mountain of evidence that points to the planning and execution on Casey's part and no one else.

 

[allycat1208]

I always thought it was left there on purpose, along with her purse or whatever it was in the front seat.

She would have then been able to say that she had left Caylee in the car for a minute because she was sleeping, and got out of the car to make a phone call, was "mugged" or something, and the car taken with Caylee in it.

If the car had really ended up being stolen, there would have been fingerprints, and those fingerprints would have been blamed for Caylee's disappearance and then death.

She had to have known that the car was towed though somehow, because otherwise, I really think that is the plan she was working on.
With her missing children google searches, etc.

She also had to have been keeping an eye on the car those few days so that she could have pulled off the rest of her story.
Maybe as luck would have it, she happened to be in the neighborhood when the car was actually being towed?
That would have put a big stop on her car-jacking and kidnapping story.

And, yes, the car was parked by the dumpster on purpose to cover the smell from the trunk.

Bigfatmommydog thinks there is evidence that she definitely knew it was towed but she figured she had no title and could not retrieve it. But if she knew it was towed she should have gone and bothered her parents to give her the title, pay for it with Amy's checks (which she was going to in trouble for anyway) and try to do something with the smell. She just never thought ahead obviously.

 

[allycat1208]

I agree with what someone mentioned earlier was that she intended to dump the car. Once the car was towed even if she had the money she couldn't retreive the car because it wasn't registered in her name.

Once she killed Caylee she kept her body in the trunk of the car scouting a location to place the body. I think this is why there are times she has pings by the house but isn't always at the house. When she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor that's when she had the body in the backyard. I'm not saying she tried to bury it back there but she may have moved some things around.

The day she ran out of gas and Tony came to get her she was walking on Chickasaw (sp?) and I figure that was a day she scouted out a final place possibly walking into the wood where Caylee would later be found but she didn't bury her that day. A day or so after she when she ran into George at the house it was an accident and she couldn't let him in the trunk because Caylee was there and he would know what she'd done.

Casey finally buried Caylee in the woods in a few days later and claims to run out of gas and parks the car near the dumpster at the Amscot.

This is just my theory. When you look at everything it looks like she planned this murder and proceeded to coverup and halt any attempts to locate Caylee. I'm not sure what her defense will be but I don't think it can stand up against the mountain of evidence that points to the planning and execution on Casey's part and no one else.

I think the experts believe KC put Caylee in the woods maybe 2-3 days after she murdured her and they believe the murder took place on June 16th. By the time she is at her house and George is there is days after this. I think they said they can tell how long she was in the woods due to plant growth found in her skull. Bloody amazing!

 

[LolaMoon08]

Not only do I think she intended to go back and get the car... but she did go back to get the car, but it had already been towed.

Gone With the Wind is one of my favorite movies, but I can not help but always imagine Casey saying "Oh well, I'll think about that tomorrow."

 

[Peepers McPeep]

I have a completely different theory. She was supposed to take TL to the airport, but she couldn't take him in her car because of the smell. So, she had to have an excuse for either not taking him to the airport in her car or for why it smelled so bad, if she did retrieve it. So, she conveniently "runs out of gas", parks the car by the dumpster as her alibi for why her car smells bad, tells TL there's something wrong with it and her Dad is coming to get it. Thereby, she got out of having to take TL to the airport in HER car and then had HIS car for the week he was gone. When the car was towed, her 'problem' (i.e. smelly car) was solved.

You've said it to perfection.
What a stroke of luck for her to have TL's jeep for a week.
She had a chance to get a little shopping done.
The longer I sit here staring at this screen, the more I realise the depth of her..
madness?
Her mind is specifically aware, and adjusts situations for self preservation, but, her ability to disassociate from that which permeates her clothes and skin, just boggles the mind.
La-dee-da, her girl~ about ~town, sexy, social butterfly life is uninterrupted..
Shoppings sprees to Target for fresh linens and stripmall nightclubbing.
Enriching existence.
Back to topic, she did indeed want to ditch the car, but she needed those wheels too much to totally give it up .
Bummer for the Accused, a day late and a dollar short.
Thanks to all, for such great commentary in all the threads.
tc, all.

 

[allycat1208]

Nancy Grace just said that they had 8 dna tests to try to prove Caylee's paternity. I wonder who they tested besides Lee Anthony. They already had Jesse Grund's proof.

 

[Harmony 2]

The topic is Casey's car, please stay on topic... Thank you

 

[shgrbkr]

I can only imagine the dumbest of the dumbest thieves stealing that car with it stinking like it did. Maybe that's why she left it next to the dumpster. Not sure KC had anything inparticular she wanted to happen with the car, she doesn't seem to have that much foresight. She was just getting rid of it, and would make up a story if and when the time came. That said, I don't believe KC ever addressed the issue of the smell in any known discussion with LE or her parents. Did nobody ever ask her about it?

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I think she most definately wanted it stolen.

ETA: Because she was going to say someone stole the car with Caylee in it, so that person would be blamed for the murder. MOO

 

[Future Juror]

I have a completely different theory. She was supposed to take TL to the airport, but she couldn't take him in her car because of the smell. So, she had to have an excuse for either not taking him to the airport in her car or for why it smelled so bad, if she did retrieve it. So, she conveniently "runs out of gas", parks the car by the dumpster as her alibi for why her car smells bad, tells TL there's something wrong with it and her Dad is coming to get it. Thereby, she got out of having to take TL to the airport in HER car and then had HIS car for the week he was gone. When the car was towed, her 'problem' (i.e. smelly car) was solved.

Thanks jcamille for your theory - this makes the most sense to me. However, the 'work purse' always made me think she wanted it stolen. Maybe a combo of them both. But then again, I've never understood why she asked Jesse and Amy for help with gas cans, as if she would go back to get the car. And how she got back in that area to realize it was gone (I may have missed that in the posts).

Another thing is her reaction to CA's question during the July 25th jail visit. I recently rewatched all of the original jail tapes, and noted things that stuck out to me.

Here's the link: http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

at the 13:15 mark

(convo about not protecting family - they are all strong)

CA: I have a question for you....(kc:go'head)....how come (ch') you never got the chance to get the car....that doesn't make sense...

KC: mom....because this is recorded, and i don't know who's gonna see things, and who's gonna MISCONSCHTRUE whatever else...like I said, there's things that I directly need to say to each of you....

CA: Ok, I trust that....

KC: But Lee and I are finding other means....so.....

pause (convo about someone else being in their house)


I just don't get her reaction to that question! Thanks all for the great theories and debates here! I have severe fibro, and typing/editing is a chore most days - but I hope to join in more during the actual trial.

 

[crucibelle]

I think she left it either to be stolen or to try and implicate somebody else(JG) with prints. She set up the story about the squirrels to Amy, so maybe she thought she could just pass that story off and if Amy noticed it, it wouldn;t be such a big deal. I think she was grasping for anything she could to throw suspicion off of her.

I was going to share my opinion on this, but the above describes what I believe to be true. Thanks, BigMomma, I totally agree with you! I'm so glad JG did not go anywhere near that car.

 

[crucibelle]

Thanks jcamille for your theory - this makes the most sense to me. However, the 'work purse' always made me think she wanted it stolen. Maybe a combo of them both. But then again, I've never understood why she asked Jesse and Amy for help with gas cans, as if she would go back to get the car. And how she got back in that area to realize it was gone (I may have missed that in the posts).

Another thing is her reaction to CA's question during the July 25th jail visit. I recently rewatched all of the original jail tapes, and noted things that stuck out to me.

Here's the link: http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html

at the 13:15 mark

(convo about not protecting family - they are all strong)

CA: I have a question for you....(kc:go'head)....how come (ch') you never got the chance to get the car....that doesn't make sense...

KC: mom....because this is recorded, and i don't know who's gonna see things, and who's gonna MISCONSCHTRUE whatever else...like I said, there's things that I directly need to say to each of you....

CA: Ok, I trust that....

KC: But Lee and I are finding other means....so.....

pause (convo about someone else being in their house)


I just don't get her reaction to that question! Thanks all for the great theories and debates here! I have severe fibro, and typing/editing is a chore most days - but I hope to join in more during the actual trial.

I think she said that simply because she didn't want to have to explain her actions to Cindy, so she just used the excuse "can't talk about it because it's being recorded".

 

[Leila]

Casey Anthony: Worst criminal in history. If she really wanted to dump the car she should have driven it somewhere remote and firebombed it. I am not sure the girl thought from one minute to the next, she may have just taken it near a dumpster to take out some of the trash in the boot then found herself 'gas free', but then who knows with her, the purse in view and the idea of having it stolen may have popped into her head once she realized she couldn't drive it, so the 'oh maybe someone will steal it' plan was probably put together without much forethought.

As was with most things this girl did.

Within the first month after this case became national news, the Orange County Sheriff's department decided to conduct their monthly diving drill by sending their scuba divers into a retention pond near the Anthony home. The dive was two-fold..........to conduct their monthly drill and to search for Caylee's body.

The local media was on the scene and we watched online as the divers went into the pond and brought up all sorts of things. By the end of the day, they had a tow truck there and had brought up 3 abandoned cars along with all sorts of trash!

I thought at the time that this case would have been a lot different if Casey had pushed her car into one of the numerous retention ponds in the area instead of abandoning it at Amscot. If you look on a Google map, there's retention ponds everywhere in Orlando.

Without finding Casey's car at the impound yard with the odor of decomp in it, it would have taken George and Cindy longer to find Casey. But they would have eventually found her and learned that Caylee was missing. Casey would have lied about what happened. She would have probably still told them that Zanny kidnapped Caylee, but it would have a different twist.........she stole Casey's car along with Caylee. Cindy would likely have panicked at this news and called 911, as she did do.

But, we'd have a different case. There would be no car smelling of decomposition. We'd be missing a crucial element in this case. So it's a good thing that Casey wasn't smart enough to better dispose of that car.

 

[allycat1208]

I can only imagine the dumbest of the dumbest thieves stealing that car with it stinking like it did. Maybe that's why she left it next to the dumpster. Not sure KC had anything inparticular she wanted to happen with the car, she doesn't seem to have that much foresight. She was just getting rid of it, and would make up a story if and when the time came. That said, I don't believe KC ever addressed the issue of the smell in any known discussion with LE or her parents. Did nobody ever ask her about it?

Good question! I don't recall ever reading about anyone asking her about the smell in the car. I doubt if Law enforcement asked her about it. Someone must have.

 

[Panda's eye]

I don't think she was intending to go back to pick up the Pontiac that smelled so bad no matter what she did to cover it. Friends already we're warned of the horrible smell in her car ( dead squirrels and all) I think so nobody would even consider asking ICA to give them a lift or want to ride in her car. I think as ICA was so good at conceiving several case senerios to cover herself , perhaps 1 she was hoping it would get stolen.....2 she hoped CA or GA would see it recognize it as ICA's and call police and report her and Caylee as missing persons ( as she could have been making plans to disappear ) ...or 3 hope that Amscot would call the police as there was an abandoned car that smelled like a dead body and law enforment would be called to break into the trunk to make sure there was nobody dead inside.....JMO

 

[Lexington]

I think that it was her intention to go back and retrieve the car. I think she just plain forgot her bag on the front seat. I don't think she formulated a plan as to what to do with the car at this point, but never expected for it to be towed away in such a short period of time. I think she might have been playing with the idea of driving it to CA, stench and all, to meet up with MH. The car was and is a big problem for KC and led to her getting caught and will lead to her conviction for 1st degree murder.

 

[Beatrice]

Did she want to retrieve it from Amscot...No....

IMO......She wanted it to believed a dead body was placed in the trunk.

 

[Harmony 2]

Well as usual I follow the beat of a different drummer...

Casey's car was out of gas. Simon Birch saw the gauge on empty. It would not start at the tow yard and it started right up as soon as George placed gas in it. I believe she intended to go back to it and even went to Target and purchased some gas cans with Amy. Before this she had texted Jesse about borrowing gas cans. The Pontiac was her only means of transportation since she was not going to be able to borrow Tony's or Amy's vehicles indefinetly. I think she thought the odor would dissipate in a few days and then she could go and retrieve it. I agree with the poster above who stated that she could not take Tony to the airport with the strong odor present in the vehicle. Amscot had several signs posted for Johnson Wrecker Service around the outside of the building which were visible from the parking lot.

Simon Birch's interview: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf