Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #1

[lin]

Because if you commit a crime and if you have anything in your possession that makes you appear guilty the police will use it. They gamble that the jury will be fed so much info that they will not have the time to deduce using the ping records to determine that this may be a unlikely piece of evidence especially since there is a date of '03 on the other page.

We have had a lot of time to go over this data and it makes our heads spin. What will happen to a jury is INFORMATION OVERLOAD and it will be easy for the police to convince a jury that this is a real deal. That's okay. They have a EVIL person they are trying to put away and they have no reason to place nice.

It will be Baez's job to make the jury doubt this piece of evidence.

We must have ink analysis and dating to PROVE this is written during the timeframe of the crime.

BTW.. here are the ping map for that day.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e....532655,-81.337967&spn=0.269651,0.432587&z=11

Your latter point kind of goes against the former, imo. A jury won't have to decipher cell pings or whatever. JB will be able to show this is not relevant and why, if it's not; or conversely, the state will be able to show the time frame and author conclusively.

 

[Laece]

Oh yeah, I totally agree. When I was her age I was busy writing long drawn out things in my journals about things that I look back on aren't really that big of a deal, but at the time I made it seem like my world was crashin down around me. I just don't know where I would have used the whole "ends justifying the means"

she could have been using it in a general, very cliche way, so not really using it the right way. like when people say 'i could care less', meaning 'i couldn't care less'. you know what they mean, and they know what they mean, but they're using the term loosely and slightly inaccurately.

and the 'ends justifying the means' in this case could be her not regretting her decision to stop hanging out with an old crowd. she mentioned new friends, so...yeah. just a thought.

 

[babycat]

I think the diary is moot; with or without it, the evidence seems damning. Maybe not in increments, because in increments some of the evidence can be explained away... but in its totality, the evidence is really overwhelming.

I guess I'm just bothered by the "diary". I mean, if the entry was June 21, Casey wasn't even HOME then, right? If it were an old diary, we would have to assume that Casry had the presence of mind to take it with her as she was leaving with Caylee. I mean, I guess she could have snuck back in the house on the gas can days, but I don't see her sneaking back in, writing in an old diary, and leaving it there. I guess, for me, it depends a lot on WHERE the diary was found. Was it placed with the belongings collected from when she stayed at Tony's, or was it in buried somewhere in her room? I mean, if Casey hadn't been home (supposedly) but intermittently to get clothes (and apparently stash bodies) I don't see her making a "fresh start" in a diary, then leaving it at her house.

If the diary were with her belongings from Tony, however, I could see how it could be relevant.

But then, we're also to believe that Casey packed up a diary, forged an '03 date and wrote about her stupidity, even if vaguely.

Also, I don't believe for ONE SECOND that if that diary were lying somewhere where Cindy Anthony could reach it, that Cindy didn't read it, and/or dispose of it. I think it is an old diary, hidden somewhere in the room. If it were current and in an accessible place, Cindy would have gotten to it.

Also, I might add that someone mentioned earlier that Casey wouldn't be so foolish as to write something so incriminating in a myspace blog...but it didn't stop her (alleged) internet searches for Chloroform, and neck breaking...also the "diary of days" entry, itself, is pretty incriminating, to me.

Just rambling some thoughts.....I've had WAY too much wine, so I'd better stop typing.

Cheers.

 

[anastacia129]

I have been searching for hours, and I cannot find where this journal is listed on any property records. The only thing remotely close is a listing of "2 handwritten notes" that were found in Caylee's room. I was looking for this listing in case it listed a name brand of the journal or something.

 

[countzero]

Oh my gosh, all this bickering ... whether the media is fueling or whether LE is fueling. What year the page was written. It really doesn't make a difference.

Bottom line is the SA doesn't release all the evidence info to the public they are using at trial. It is however released to the defense.

What I see from this page being released is a clear and concise message to KC from LE that they have some if not all of it. LE has delved into private KC spaces even CA hasn't seen before. KC knows the meaning and consequence of the diary; whether JB and team does is the question. Scientifically proven forensics will either prove or disprove the relevance of this diary. LKB will have a difficut time explaining that one away.


by the by as an additional thought and fuel for the fire so to speak: The 03 could be for the third year of Caylee's birth...............

 

[lin]

You do realize don't you that the docs are released per the Florida Sunshine Law and that law was passed before this case came along right?

ssshhhh... I was getting kind of excited about being part of a 'bloodthirsty mob'

And of course, the dichotomy of being deemed to have judged another...

 

[ibyoungr]

Your latter point kind of goes against the former, imo. A jury won't have to decipher cell pings or whatever. JB will be able to show this is not relevant and why, if it's not; or conversely, the state will be able to show the time frame and author conclusively.

That is what is what I am saying.. guess you said it better.
The jury will have alot to decipher. This only matters to the case and is revelant is if the SA can prove it was authored in 2008. I am going to take some time to review the "changes in friends" She was still hanging with Kristina, Amy, RM, Ryan, Mark even tho she started dating TL and hanging with his people. But in 2007 it seemed like Lauren, Annie, Jesse and those friends went away. She could have wrote this in 2007.

 

[babycat]

Oh my gosh, all this bickering ...

(respectfully snipped)

I prefer to think of it as...healthy debate haha


But seriously, I love reading the debate/bickering/alternate viewpoints, because it gives me an idea of what ideas/scenarios could be presented at trial.

I think the debate really necessary to help form solid ideas....it would be a miracle if we all agreed It's a crime forum, it's bound to happen.

Cheers

 

[AnnaMouse]

Speaking of the reverse side of the paper... Does anyone else see a drawing that looks like a cat bleeding through the writing on the right hand page?

I thought it was a watermark at first, but now it looks like a drawing. Maybe she did indeed doodle on the left hand pages. The '03 still might be explained in other ways. Funny how random things that people do like doodles can be misinterperated.

Here's a post that has the picture much clearer:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3333793&postcount=145

 

[lin]

(snipped) Yup, you bet I did. (Either me... or my evil twin LOL...)



(bold mine) Speculation... or accusation? Let's wait for facts, my friend. It won't always incense or inflame, nor provide as much dramatic grist for the gossip mill... but it's less work. And frankly, well a bit more civilized. :blowkiss:



Sure do Suzi Q...and you do realize the SA makes documents, evidence etc available to the media in what are often calculated and carefully orchestrated releases w the sole intent of maximizing it's shock value and sensationalism... right...? JMO

arrot:

Because they want a change of venue so badly? Pleeeeaaase.

And since you knew about the Sunshine laws, I suppose you also know this is a discussion forum?

For someone damning others with an attempt at a 'judge not' attitude, you seem to be judging all of us and painting us all with a pretty wide brush.

Your opinions are welcome here. Please understand that so are opinions that disagree with yours.

 

[Sammiejam]

I apologise in advance if anyone has bought this up. I have only got to page 9 of this thread and I wanted to get this down before I forget.

Does anyone know where the "Mrs Lazaro" doodlings can be found? What kind of paper and what colour pen? I would like to compare...

If the doodlings can be matched to either the red pen or the paper from the diary, then that would be FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC would it not? It would place her with the pen and/or the diary during the time of Caylee's "disappearance" and would date the diary entry!

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I believe she wrote the entry on June 21, 2008 moo

Casey in diary- I have no regrets

Casey as she walked out of jail the first time- I'm gonna walk out of here with my head held high cuz I havn't done any thing wrong.

Casey in diary- I've made new friends that I really like, I've surrounded myself with good people, I am finally happy.

Stuart Smalley from SNL- I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it people like me.

Uses I / I've= 15 times
Uses my / myself= 3 times
Uses me= 1 time
Number of lines on page=19
Mentions Caylee= 0 times

 

[babycat]

Stuart Smalley from SNL- I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it people like me.

:rolling:

 

[EgyptNug]

I thought I saw anothe picture of it more from the right and it kind of looked like an '08, but maybe not.
However, if it IS '03, that is not right if the media leaves that uncorrected.

 

[lin]

Because the media wanted to highlight it and the prosecution does not mind if they do. This kind of thing harms casey whether it is accurate or not and whether or not it is used at trial.
It would be in the doc dumps because anything subpoenaed would be handed over to the defense.
It may have been photographed initially because it looked interesting to the investigators and they would be really blowing it if they did not at least examine such potential evidence.
Finally, have you all see all the things that were photographed? Bags of trash, debris by the site where Caylee's body was found, empty booze bottles, 9 pairs of shoes, several pairs of shorts? Not all of that will be usable evidence. In this kind of subpoena situation, you sweep through and grab anything that may be relevant and sort through it later. It's a fishing expedition.
Look, it would be the icing on the cake if this diary was from June 21, 2008 and written by casey. But, we don't need it. I think we have more than enough to win a conviction. casey's actions speak for themselves, as well as decomp smell, internet searches for cholorform, missing kids and neck breaking, significant traces of cholorofrom found in the trunk with evidence of decomp, a fictional nanny-abductor who no one has ever met created by a "mother" who does not seem in the least perturbed by the disappearance of her daughter, a tiny, dead body found yards from the suspect's home, with duct tape around her mouth and a heart sticker on that, which seems to have been placed there about a month before Caylee was reported missing and about a month before casey reports a call from her daughter, said call found to never have taken place, a suspect who coincidentally seems to love heart stickers and heart icons, a family in turmoil, a jealousy issue between suspect and grandmother, a young defendant who feels her life has been limited by the existence of her child, and a mother who not only fails to ever report her child missing, but who actively lies to family and friends about her whereabouts and who then lies to investigators who are trying to find her baby. Really, what more do we need?

You should put that in the Mark Klaas thread! Great summary!

 

[kew17]

I think the diary is moot; with or without it, the evidence seems damning. Maybe not in increments, because in increments some of the evidence can be explained away... but in its totality, the evidence is really overwhelming.

I guess I'm just bothered by the "diary". I mean, if the entry was June 21, Casey wasn't even HOME then, right? If it were an old diary, we would have to assume that Casry had the presence of mind to take it with her as she was leaving with Caylee. I mean, I guess she could have snuck back in the house on the gas can days, but I don't see her sneaking back in, writing in an old diary, and leaving it there. I guess, for me, it depends a lot on WHERE the diary was found. Was it placed with the belongings collected from when she stayed at Tony's, or was it in buried somewhere in her room? I mean, if Casey hadn't been home (supposedly) but intermittently to get clothes (and apparently stash bodies) I don't see her making a "fresh start" in a diary, then leaving it at her house.

If the diary were with her belongings from Tony, however, I could see how it could be relevant.

But then, we're also to believe that Casey packed up a diary, forged an '03 date and wrote about her stupidity, even if vaguely.

Also, I don't believe for ONE SECOND that if that diary were lying somewhere where Cindy Anthony could reach it, that Cindy didn't read it, and/or dispose of it. I think it is an old diary, hidden somewhere in the room. If it were current and in an accessible place, Cindy would have gotten to it.

Also, I might add that someone mentioned earlier that Casey wouldn't be so foolish as to write something so incriminating in a myspace blog...but it didn't stop her (alleged) internet searches for Chloroform, and neck breaking...also the "diary of days" entry, itself, is pretty incriminating, to me.

Just rambling some thoughts.....I've had WAY too much wine, so I'd better stop typing.

Cheers.

:clap::clap::clap:
Bingo to it all, I say! I just don't see her fitting in a touchy feely journal entry in her busy schedule, before dashing out to stay at the boyfriend's and she can't even find time to fit in a trip to the gas pumps. The next day she runs out of gas at Amscot.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/07 Anthony Lazaro July 22, 2008(1).pdf - Page 1013 AL says she definately spent the night the night before. Unless I'm reading something wrong.

 

[lin]

THANK U HP... you'd almost have to have doublevision and a mirror to mistake that 3 for an 8 (would the poster be kind enough to repost the perfectly clear '03). Of course it could always be cropped out altogether, as others have done...lol.



N/k... up to as many as 1,825 days' worth eh? LOLOL... JMO :blowkiss:

Or maybe just 3 pages. Or maybe a dozen. I don't think I've ever seen a journal with 1800 pages. But then again, I don't shop at Target much.

 

[kiki the parrot]

There are many things on other pics that does not seem to be relevant.

The pic of the 'tutu' card, and then again the same card zoomed into, how can that be any sort of evidence. Maybe the whole diary entry has no relevance at all?

Exactly. Thank you for pointing this out... completely agree.

Casey was slated to graduate in 2004, '04. In '03 she was a junior at Colonial HS. Even the reporter back tracked once he saw the '03 and they definitely changed subject quickly. Later in the footage, you can see the first reporter on the phone and clearly hear him trying to track down the info regarding the '03 on the page. I think it totally caught them off guard and I've yet to see/hear one legitimate claim that it's a recent entry.

Yes, pathetic. Really pitiful.

So, um, kiki the parrot, please do tell us what you really think...

What you see as a "thirst for blood" I see as a "quest for truth." Isn't it funny how two people can read the same things and get something totally different out of them?

No. I have no dog in this race, neither am I out for a pound of flesh. People who are genuinely in search of the "truth" maintain their objectivity, refrain from making hasty accusations, and are willing to reserve judgment until they have heard both sides and the facts have at least been presented in context. That's all I've done. Because then you might actually have a prayer of ever getting to the truth.

But clearly this particular five year-old entry is just the sort of ambiguous fodder to stoke the fires of hatred, rumor mills, and some of the more "high level" sleuthing. JMO

arrot:

 

[lin]

When she wrote it she was euphoric.

CMA may not have given the entry too much thought by the time she was hauled off to jail for the final time. Or perhaps she thought she was too clever for the rest of us, and had written in code known only to her? When she was last at home no body had been found, and it looked likely it never would. CMA reportedly had contempt if the "They haven't even found the clothes" comment has any truth to it?

I agree and your theories are certainly plausible.

 

[lin]

Casey was slated to graduate in 2004, '04. In '03 she was a junior at Colonial HS. Even the reporter back tracked once he saw the '03 and they definitely changed subject quickly. Later in the footage, you can see the first reporter on the phone and clearly hear him trying to track down the info regarding the '03 on the page. I think it totally caught them off guard and I've yet to see/hear one legitimate claim that it's a recent entry.

Sorry you either missed or don't consider those sources legitimate.

Conversely, as I've already stated, there's really nothing to show it's not recent. A lot of posters have been very persuasive with their logical inferences pointing to a 2008 entry. But, as I've also posted, we won't know for sure without more info. That's why I'm not telling anyone definitively that they're wrong or that any station's reporting is factually wrong. I don't know yet. But, of course, I do have my opinion, which I state as such.