Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #1

[nancy botwin]

I don't understand all this "the handwriting is different!" talk.

For what it's worth, my own handwriting varies a LOT within a 24 hour period. Sometimes it actually looks a lot like Casey's. Sometimes it looks really masculine and almost illegible. Sometimes it looks just like my mom's. If you took samples of my writing at random intervals for 24 hours, it could look like I was at least five different people. (and no, I'm not a serial killer) :crazy:

 

[lin]

WESH video discussing diary:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18753491/index.html

 

[nyvictoria]

I don't understand all this "the handwriting is different!" talk.

For what it's worth, my own handwriting varies a LOT within a 24 hour period. Sometimes it actually looks a lot like Casey's. Sometimes it looks really masculine and almost illegible. Sometimes it looks just like my mom's. If you took samples of my writing at random intervals for 24 hours, it could look like I was at least five different people. (and no, I'm not a serial killer) :crazy:

Same here...depends on my mood, whether I'm in a hurry, the importance of what I'm writing. not a serial killer either

 

[Rumpole]

I don't understand all this "the handwriting is different!" talk.

For what it's worth, my own handwriting varies a LOT within a 24 hour period. Sometimes it actually looks a lot like Casey's. Sometimes it looks really masculine and almost illegible. Sometimes it looks just like my mom's. If you took samples of my writing at random intervals for 24 hours, it could look like I was at least five different people. (and no, I'm not a serial killer) :crazy:

And if you are even going to entertain the notion that someone else wrote it then Who?

Any possible scenario seems even more bizzare than a thing that is very bizzare!

 

[Ripley007]

I don't understand all this "the handwriting is different!" talk.

For what it's worth, my own handwriting varies a LOT within a 24 hour period. Sometimes it actually looks a lot like Casey's. Sometimes it looks really masculine and almost illegible. Sometimes it looks just like my mom's. If you took samples of my writing at random intervals for 24 hours, it could look like I was at least five different people. (and no, I'm not a serial killer) :crazy:

I agree! Me too.

What's much more important than the handwritting is the syntax. The syntax has KC's name written all over it!

 

[NJ Lawyer]

On the other hand, I have yet to see anything that conclusively proves that Cacey's "ZG" doesn't exist.

Does the non-existent child Zachary of Jeff Hopkins count? That is how she said she met her.

Interesting, huh? I mean...what can the prosecution do, really? Defense counsel is not saying much about their defense and if their defense will simply be that: (1) the killer is probably the kidnapper; and (2) as Casey said, the kidnapper is named ZG who used to babysit Zach whose Dad is Jeff. But then prosecutors interview Jeff who doesn't even have a kid much less one named Zach. Okay. Then every other lead about the kidnapper provided by defendant is chased down and...not only do the leads take investigators nowhere, they take them to empty houses and nonexistent phone numbers, etc. AND the leads show that the defendant is actually LYING about ZG/the babysitter. I think the defense is really in a pickle. That's why defense counsel is basically just telling people "things aren't always as they seem". City of Vague! For example, when they threw it out there that Casey's situation is kind of like The Fugitive series even though there really WAS a one-armed man who killed the wife in that plot, the fugitive didn't provide false info about him AND the fugitive dedicated his life to hunting down the one-armed killer. And now they respond to evidence as "junk science" (though of course they will rely upon that same "junk science" when they trot out their own experts). It's all the defense can do, really. I think the only thing defense will succeed in doing is making the public think our American system of law has some sort of non-sensical evidentiary requirements that don't actually exist. Hopefully the jurors themselves will be instructed properly though.

 

[nyvictoria]

I agree! Me too.

What's much more important than the handwritting is the syntax. The syntax has KC's name written all over it!

YES! All that flowery prose. It's definitely her writing.

My mother used to say, "Never say you hate," and I would say, "Well then, I intensely dislike ..." I hate AND intensely dislike KC!!! MURDERER!!!! :furious:

 

[NJ Lawyer]

I know this is a bit off topic but, IMO all this evidence like diary entries, duct tape, heart stickers... are simply icing on the cake.

IMO the most important piece of evidence at the "disposal site" of Caylee Anthony is the Winnie the Pooh blanket.

That blanket ties the "disposal site" back to the Anthony home. End of story.

I recall in one of the taped interviews with Casey she told the police that Zanny had everything in her house. She had pampers, clothes, even shoes. So, she didn't have to take anything to her house when she dropped Caylee off. So, how can she now turn around and say that she gave Casey to Zanny with the Winnie the Pooh blanket?

The blanket ties someone from the Anthony house to the scene.

Casey Anthony's actions after her child went missing are highly suspect. She said she was conducting her own investigation and yet when you read her text messages. In all the incoming text messages that she received every person expressed shock. She never told them Caylee was missing! How can you conduct an investigation and you're planning trips and partying?

Sad, sad, sad!

I hear ya on the blanket. The only thing is...it seems like that would be the one easy "out" for Casey. She could simply say, yeah the babysitter generally had diapers and stuff at her house but on this day, Caylee asked to bring the pooh blanket with her into the car and when she was taken by ZG, she had the pooh blanket with her. I mean, even with my 6 year old...tonight she asked to stop by our house to pick up a special blanket before we went to our favorite restaurant. I was happy to oblige. I think kids ask to bring things from the house into the car very often. Regardless of where it falls into the categories of evidence, I personally find it most telling that she did NOTHING when Caylee was supposedly taken to find her, lied about the babysitter's existence and oh....drove around with a rotting corpse in her car at the time Caylee went missing.

 

[nancy botwin]

I agree! Me too.

What's much more important than the handwritting is the syntax. The syntax has KC's name written all over it!

I agree!

And if you are even going to entertain the notion that someone else wrote it then Who?

Any possible scenario seems even more bizzare than a thing that is very bizzare!

Exactly-- and we don't need any more of that !:crazy:

My opinion:
Of course Casey wrote it. I think she wrote it in 2008. Maybe she didn't. But if she didn't write it in 2008, she may as well have. Everything she did and didn't do post June 16 is consistent with the spirit of this entry. While it does shock the conscience to read these words in light of what had happened to Caylee, it doesn't shock my mind in the LEAST. This is Casey Anthony we're talking about.

We can't effectively analyze the ink or paper from our computer screens. Everyone has probably written with a red pen at some point-- two red pen samples don't really mean anything from a visual perspective. Also, pens are like lighters and 20$ bills, they move around.

LE can effectively analyze this diary and date the paper and ink. They can also pick up the latent etchings from the entries she made on the pages preceding this entry. They're on top of it.

The only thing I think we can do from our computers is to locate the actual diary she is using. If that diary is located and proven to be something that was created and marketed from 2008-on, then we have some conclusive proof.

 

[brownflower]

WESH video discussing diary:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18753491/index.html

Thank you for the link. It does make sense that she had time to alter the diary after she was released. She could have added the '03 then and ripped out pages from the diary. IMO she would not have thrown it out because she might have been afraid of "dumpster divers" finding it. I would be easier for her to simply tear out pages and tear up the pages in little pieces and flush the pieces down the toilet.

 

[Alice]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but to me the journal entry doesn't look like a typical diary entry. If you notice the hyphens/dashes at the beginning of each paragraph. They look like bullet points to me. It is as if she is making a list to try and convince herself she did the right thing. Kind of like a private pep talk. IMO

 

[nyvictoria]

I agree!


Exactly-- and we don't need any more of that !:crazy:

My opinion:
Of course Casey wrote it. I think she wrote it in 2008. Maybe she didn't. But if she didn't write it in 2008, she may as well have. Everything she did and didn't do post June 16 is consistent with the spirit of this entry. While it does shock the conscience to read these words in light of what had happened to Caylee, it doesn't shock my mind in the LEAST. This is Casey Anthony we're talking about.

We can't effectively analyze the ink or paper from our computer screens. Everyone has probably written with a red pen at some point-- two red pen samples don't really mean anything from a visual perspective. Also, pens are like lighters and 20$ bills, they move around.

LE can effectively analyze this diary and date the paper and ink. They can also pick up the latent etchings from the entries she made on the pages preceding this entry. They're on top of it.

The only thing I think we can do from our computers is to locate the actual diary she is using. If that diary is located and proven to be something that was created and marketed from 2008-on, then we have some conclusive proof.

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ITA! I haven't read through everything yet. Does anyone know if the docs mention anything about the diary aside from the picture? I have some reading and searching to do tomorrow.

 

[sha-sha]

I don't understand all this "the handwriting is different!" talk.

For what it's worth, my own handwriting varies a LOT within a 24 hour period. Sometimes it actually looks a lot like Casey's. Sometimes it looks really masculine and almost illegible. Sometimes it looks just like my mom's. If you took samples of my writing at random intervals for 24 hours, it could look like I was at least five different people. (and no, I'm not a serial killer) :crazy:

Mine varies too... but my writing is remarkably similar to casey's eek and I can tell both things were written by the same person.

 

[*Hayley*]

14 "I"'s in an 11 sentence diary entry...can we say narcissist???

I noticed that as well.


However, I was quite disappointed in NG last night regarding the diary, it seems like they were playing it up about it being a "bombshell". However they failed to point out the date in the upper left corner, they actually cropped the photo so you couldn't even see it on tv last night. Methinks this actually might be her diary from 2003, I think she would have signed it Mrs. Lazarro if it was from 2008. MOO

 

[cyberborg]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but to me the journal entry doesn't look like a typical diary entry. If you notice the hyphens/dashes at the beginning of each paragraph. They look like bullet points to me. It is as if she is making a list to try and convince herself she did the right thing. Kind of like a private pep talk. IMO

Note to self: Remember not to write cryptic incriminating notes to self after just committing a horrific crime. Not so good of an idea.

 

[Rumpole]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but to me the journal entry doesn't look like a typical diary entry. If you notice the hyphens/dashes at the beginning of each paragraph. They look like bullet points to me. It is as if she is making a list to try and convince herself she did the right thing. Kind of like a private pep talk. IMO

It was the first page. The start of a new diary and a complete new life "La bella Vita". Possibly written at a time of euphoria. You would expect a certain style, and certainly best Copper-plate writing. Certainly writing different from writing when you are told in the early hours of the morning to do a writen statement for LE.

 

[nancy botwin]

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ITA! I haven't read through everything yet. Does anyone know if the docs mention anything about the diary aside from the picture? I have some reading and searching to do tomorrow.

I don't think there's anything beyond the actual entry and this photo of the journal cover: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set10/1/lg/208794.htm

 

[tangerinemoon]

I don't think there's anything beyond the actual entry and this photo of the journal cover: http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set10/1/lg/208794.htm

I wonder if she bought it at Target.:waitasec:

 

[Rumpole]

I wonder if she bought it at Target.:waitasec:

My money is on stole it from a "friend"

 

[Ripley007]

It was the first page. The start of a new diary and a complete new life "La bella Vita". Possibly written at a time of euphoria. You would expect a certain style, and certainly best Copper-plate writing. Certainly writing different from writing when you are told in the early hours of the morning to do a writen statement for LE.

HP-That's what I was going to say.:clap:
The '03 is irrelevent. An old journal. She ripped out the "silly" pages previously written 5 years earlier, and began journaling again. Maybe the first entry on June 21 (2008) reminds you of bullet points because KC was simply trying to work out a new style of journaling/writting...who knows. It's illogical to believe this entry is not relevent to the case. It wouldn't have been photographed and considered eviedence if it wasn't. Right?