Casey's Lies

[TallyHo]

Here you go my friend, I googled the words:
Pathological Liar

A pathological liar is usually defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. Pathological lying is often viewed as coping mechanism developed in early childhood and it is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder. A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. A pathological liar often comes across as being manipulative, cunning and self-centered.


Compulsive Liar

A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (see, Pathological Liar), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).


The terms Habitual Liar and Chronic Liar are often used to refer to a Compulsive Liar.

Casey seems to be the very definition of a pathological liar. I can "understand" her lying to her parents about the job/nanny so that she could go out and "look for Mr. Right", as she put it. But to have to "one up" her friends and lie about being in college, etc - that to me is a whole new level of pathology. She made a career out of turning herself into something that she was not. I've only known one other person in my entire life that I would characterize as a pathological liar.I knew this guy in high school (he attended a very prestigious boy's prep school here) and he did the same exact thing that Casey did - all trying to make himself look better. I remember that everyone knew that about him and just accepted it. Not that any of us believed anything he said!! I have no idea where he is today - I'm guessing it's probably not good! It seems pretty obvious that these people feel very inadequate at their core, and overcompensate for it!

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

My husband brought home an old magazine that was at work, it is a People from Aug 11, 2008. I have never read it before, I haven't read any magazine articles about this story. It seems to fit with this thread, there is a box all by itself dedicated to "Casey's lies": they are the same as has been posted in this thread, nothing new to anyone.

I think it is okay for me to post some of that article here, if not mods please remove. TIA.

Little Girl Lost
Aug 11, 2008
People

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According to investigators, Casey has made a cottage industry out of trying to deceive them. For instance, she maintained that she dropped Caylee off with her longtime babysitter, a woman she identified as ZFG, at an apartment in Orlando. But that apartment has been vacant since February. While authorities did locate a Zenaida Gonzales, she denied ever meeting Casey or Caylee. Casey identified two coworkers at Universal Studios Florida whom she claimed she told about Caylee's disappearance. The theme park said one of the people had not worked there for six years and there is no record that the other one had ever been an employee. Casey also insisted that she had been doing everything she could on her own to find Caylee. But when investigators checked with two of her male friends, they said she hadn't appeared troubled and mentioned that her daughter was off at the beach with the "nanny." Then there was her demeanor under questioning, including the fact she "laughed about the situation," during one session. At no time in the interviews, wrote one deputy, "did the defendant show any obvious emotion at the loss of her child." Says Carlos Padilla, a deputy with OCSD: "If the grandmother hadn't called us, we still might not know that Caylee was missing.
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In Casey's own version of events, she left Caylee with the sitter on the morning of June 9-though her mother recalls seeing the youngster on June 15-before heading to her job as an event planner at Universal.(In fact, she was fired from Universal two years ago.) She said that when she returned to pick up her daughter later that day, both Caylee and the sitter gone. She told authorities she didn't immediately report the child missing because she'd seen "movies and reports" about missing people who got hurt when the police got involved. Instead, she said, she had launched her own investigation, visiting night clubs that she believed the sitter frequented, but had no luck finding her or Caylee.
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But Casey is the complicated one, according to some of her friends. Several friends, according to detectives described Casey as a "habitual liar." One friend described to People an incident when, as a teenager, Casey was walking her dog, which relieved itself on a neighbor's lawn. When the neighbor came out to scold her, Casey brazenly denied the dog was hers. "She was caught red-handed with the dog on a leash," marvels the friend, "and she was like, 'It's not mine.'" Another friend, who has known Casey since middle school, says that she seemed immature and could be "strange" at times. "She is always surrounded by drama," says the friend. "She can stub her toe and it becomes this big thing where she acts like her toe is broken and she's going to need surgery."
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Meanwhile, in a jailhouse phone call after Casey's arrest, Cindy Anthony can be heard berating her daughter and imploring her to tell the truth about Caylee. "You're blaming me that you're sitting in jail?" Cindy said. "Blame yourself for telling lies."
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...and everyone involved is operating on the hope that the sunny little girl who loves music and stories is still alive. Yet even Baez concedes that such optimism may not be warranted. "there is circumstantial evidence of a possible homicide," he said at one court hearing. Baez maintains that if Casey were to be released from jail she could assist in the search for Caylee. But authorities aren't buying that. "Everything she have us turned out to be false," says Padilla. "It's been like trying to put a puzzle together." Meanwhile Casey sits in the county jail, insisting that she has already done everything possible. "Nobody's (expletive) listening to anything I'm saying," she complained in a jailhouse phone conversation. "I have no clue where Caylee is." True or not, that was surely the most disturbing comment of all.
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I am convinced Casey was a liar her whole life, and everybody knew it, her family let her get away with it and so she continued to lie. I don't know why but I am having a strong reaction right now. Thinking about how much she lies makes me feel so sick inside.

ICA's life is on the line. There is zero reason for her to be holding back any and all information she has regarding Caylee. She told LE she saw reports where people got hurt when police got involved. Well, Caylee is gone, there is no reason to be protecting her anymore (remember Casey-Caylee is safe in "daddy's" arms? :sick: ), Casey failed on that part. Miserably. Her parents have been out galavanting around the country, not hiding in fear for their lives since Casey has said she was protecting her family. There is no innocent and sane reason to continue to stay silent unless she is guilty of harming Caylee. I agree with WSers who say Casey is unwilling to admit to anything other than being her perfect wonderful self that she has created as an image in her mind. I think sometimes Casey is lying to create that image, sometimes to keep that image and sometimes she just lies because she is a liar.

Thank you to the WSer for the definitions of "Pathological" and "Habitual" Liars. IMHO, Casey is both. :twocents:

...JS...

 

[Turnadot]

KC's lies were from her own mouth via the Universal Q&A, where she admits outright that she lied, and in her text messages to friends where she lies about GA having a stroke, working, etc. Imo, there is no debate; no way to paint this in a light which implies she didn't lie or her lies are taken out of context - or her lies to LE 'weren't that bad'. Lying to LE is always bad. And when you lie to them about your own missing child, resulting in impeding their investigation in locating your child, it's disgusting, imo.

Not to mention wasting the time and resources of the good people who searched for Caylee, including Tim Miller and his volunteers.

As a result of KC's lies, Tim Miller had to turn other families down, and LE had to waste hours and hours on KC's "leads". Time was lost. Good people's kindness were spit on, in a manner of speaking, and the real ZFG's life was turned upside down because of KC's lies.

I'm saddened that anyone can say KC's lies weren't that bad, especially her lies to LE. Sad and appalled.

 

[gngr~snap]

LiveLaughLuv~ ("I'm going to remain silent. I want to see a lawyer.").[/B]http://flexyourrights.org/faq[/QUOTE]

I have watched several videos on this site! VERY interesting stuff.
ANYTHING you say can and will be used against you... innocent people shouldn't talk I guess... not how I was raised

KC and CA have said plenty tho! Just nothing that was true!

 

[RR0004]

I feel you say these things to get a rise out of people. I wonder if you have children yourself? I know when I take my grandchildren to a store and I loose sight of them for a second, my heart goes to the floor, the butterflies flutter in my stomach and I yell my lungs out, calling their name...this for one second, I can't imagine not knowing where my grandchildren are for 31 days, who has them, if they are being cared for and protected, being kept warm, fed, etc...it's foreign to me to not ask for help if I couldn't locate my child, or if they nanny failed to return them, I'm on that phone with 911 to help me get my child...it defies logic and commonsense to lie to authorities for any reason but especially when a child goes missing..You can't really believe what you state, I just don't believe you do!

If police do not get to hear the truth it's only due to the one being interrogated having something to hide, IMO..ever hear the phrase, the truth will set you free??? ICA couldn't tell the truth because it implicated her! Ironic she was arrested for lying to authorities if lying isn't that bad!

Lying to police is a crime, lying to police that are already 31 days behind an alleged kidnapping is outrageous. Where is the LOVE for your child that you can't give LE truthful statements? Because the one being interrogated is involved in Caylee's demise, IMO

Again, the date of June 9th came out of the Anthony family as being the last time they "remember" seeing Caylee. When the police tiredlessly, checked into all statements made by ICA, GA/CA/LA, went to Mount Dora to check this, they realized June 9th date was incorrect and June 15th was actually the last time Caylee was captured on video, alive! The police don't have a crystal ball to tell them the truth, they must rely on the family to give truthful statements, if they are to find a child, an adult even a pet!

It's absurd to say a mother lying about her child (while it's imperative for her to be found), isn't that bad! I don't know what planet people come from when they feel anything ICA said/did, she did/said to "protect" Caylee! That's the image CA wanted out there for all to see/know but it falls short due to never, ever locating this alleged Zani the nanny, no phone calls, no phone numbers, ICA is an avid photo taker, yet not one photo of Caylee with this alleged nanny who has "babysat" for Caylee for over 2 years..JMHO

I wonder if you are friends with CA, you seem to speak her talk, NTS...:waitasec:

Ignorace is bliss and might add that ignorance is no excuse when it comes to the law...JMHO

:banghead:

Justice for Caylee

Brilliant post! Let's not forget the aggravating circumstance...while in the mother's care. For the life of me, I can't understand how one is not in a trance-like state while her daughter's missing/kidnapped (hence the importance of party pics and testimony of friends) yet is put under by the people who are willing and trying to help her find Caylee.

 

[Turnadot]

I have watched several videos on this site! VERY interesting stuff.
ANYTHING you say can and will be used against you... innocent people shouldn't talk I guess... not how I was raised

KC and CA have said plenty tho! Just nothing that was true!

BBM

I respect LE very much. Too many times their lives are on the line as they protect and serve, and if my child were missing, my life would be an open book to them. I'd do anything. That said, on a regular day, if I passed LE on the street and they asked me the time of day, I'd keep walking.

I don't remember where this quote is from, but It's true, imo.

'If you're guilty, get a lawyer. If you're innocent, get a damn good one.'

There's no way I'd say a thing to LE without my attorney present, if I were plucked off the street for questioning.

Sorry for the OT, guys.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Sometimes the police do not get the opportunity to hear the truth. It sure would make their job easy, I mean if everyone told them the truth, then why would we need them to investigate anything. Kc's lies to police are not that bad in my opinion. So she lied to them to get them out there to look at tapes. Sometimes when 3 people are asking questions at the same time, you are answering one and they are applying your answer to others. There are innocent people who have testified how bad it is to be interrogated by the police, you go into some kind of trance, you can't even think straight. It is so much pressure. I say, how could they possibly get to the truth with those techniques? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Appie Wells had the best approach. IMO

I think that while the detectives had KC at Universal, they were under the impression Caylee had been missing since June 9th. I think KC may have also been under that impression because CA had said it earlier. Yes, KC lies, she admitted as much during the time she was talking with the three detectives at Universal. All of them, KC included thought Caylee had last been seen on June 9th, and that misguided thought caused the detectives to ask questions about the incorrect date. Also, if they instructed other officers to check out this place or that place to see if KC had been there on the 9th, it would have resulted in information about the wrong date. CA started the 9th error, but I believe it was a simple honest mistake on her part. Everyone else went along with it without questioning it, UNTIL later when the video from Fathers Day showed up. The point I think is, that some misinformation could have resulted from everyone investigating the incorrect date. It all has been straightened out and corrected now.
As far as the police doing the good cop bad cop routine with KC, that is common practice with officers and detectives, and has been accepted practice for a long time. I think LE may have been able to obtain much more information from KC had they not arrested her as early as they did. I think they believed her arrest would scare her into telling the truth, and they believed she knew where Caylee was, so they felt they would scare KC into the truth and get to the real story. Unfortunately, they were wrong.
LE knew she was lying, she even told them she had lied, but once she was arrested, and lawyered up, she no longer told them any more lies or anything else for that matter. Had they not arrested her so soon, she may have given them a lot more information, on the other hand, so much of what she said was untrue, that perhaps they would not have been able to gain any more information they could use anyway. Either way, LE did what it felt it had to do, and its done and over with.
Lying to the police is not good, but, and even though I know there are some saints on this site, I ask you, When an officer pulls you over on the interstate and asks you how fast were you going? OR when an officer pulls you over and asks you have you been drinking? Have you been completely truthful in answering those questions each and every time (and for those of us who may be a tad bit past 22 years old think back to when we were young)? Yes, I know it would be a different situation if my child, or grandchild was missing, but the fact is even though it isn’t good to lie to the police, people do it anyway.
KC will pay the price for lying to the police, as there are four counts of obstructing justice or whatever, just the same, proving she is a liar does not prove she was a premeditated murder, that my friends is a whole different ball of wax. As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[Turnadot]

I think that while the detectives had KC at Universal, they were under the impression Caylee had been missing since June 9th. I think KC may have also been under that impression because CA had said it earlier. Yes, KC lies, she admitted as much during the time she was talking with the three detectives at Universal. All of them, KC included thought Caylee had last been seen on June 9th, and that misguided thought caused the detectives to ask questions about the incorrect date. Also, if they instructed other officers to check out this place or that place to see if KC had been there on the 9th, it would have resulted in information about the wrong date. CA started the 9th error, but I believe it was a simple honest mistake on her part. Everyone else went along with it without questioning it, UNTIL later when the video from Fathers Day showed up. The point I think is, that some misinformation could have resulted from everyone investigating the incorrect date. It all has been straightened out and corrected now.
As far as the police doing the good cop bad cop routine with KC, that is common practice with officers and detectives, and has been accepted practice for a long time. I think LE may have been able to obtain much more information from KC had they not arrested her as early as they did. I think they believed her arrest would scare her into telling the truth, and they believed she knew where Caylee was, so they felt they would scare KC into the truth and get to the real story. Unfortunately, they were wrong.
LE knew she was lying, she even told them she had lied, but once she was arrested, and lawyered up, she no longer told them any more lies or anything else for that matter. Had they not arrested her so soon, she may have given them a lot more information, on the other hand, so much of what she said was untrue, that perhaps they would not have been able to gain any more information they could use anyway. Either way, LE did what it felt it had to do, and its done and over with.
Lying to the police is not good, but, and even though I know there are some saints on this site, I ask you, When an officer pulls you over on the interstate and asks you how fast were you going? OR when an officer pulls you over and asks you have you been drinking? Have you been completely truthful in answering those questions each and every time (and for those of us who may be a tad bit past 22 years old think back to when we were young)? Yes, I know it would be a different situation if my child, or grandchild was missing, but the fact is even thoughit isn’t good to lie to the police, people do it anyway.
KC will pay the price for lying to the police, as there are four counts of obstructing justice or whatever, just the same, proving she is a liar does not prove she was a premeditated murder, that my friends is a whole different ball of wax. As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

BBM

I'm sorry, but lying to LE about doing ten over the speed limit, or how many beers you've had isn't comparable to lying to them about your alleged kidnapped child, imo.

 

[AZlawyer]

I had the unpleasant experience a couple of weeks ago of examining a witness on the stand (17-year-old girl) who was exactly like Casey. She would say something, you would prove that her statement was absolutely 100% a big fat lie, and she would calmly and smoothly fold your new information into her prior lie and act like she was NOT CHANGING HER STORY even though she clearly was. She would repeat lies that were clearly insane and not even consistent with the laws of physics in a calm and undisturbed manner. Her MOTHER would sit there and SMIRK like, "see how smart my daughter is" while this was going on. Reminded me of someone in this case too...

One time, for a fraction of a second, she saw me reach for yet another document to prove what she just said was a lie, and just for that fraction of a second I saw something in her eyes that might have been doubt/fear, but then it was gone. I was 3 feet from her eyes; I'm sure no one else in the courtroom saw anything. Quite honestly, she terrified me. If she's this good at 17, what will she be like at 25?

So in the case of this witness, I knew (I mean I really really knew) that she was lying. No question. I had proof that was beyond any possible shadow of a doubt. Unless she had a time machine and her best friend was able to turn into liquid at will (Wonder Twins activate!). Normally when I confront a witness like this, they admit to lying, cry, get angry...something. One time (another 17 year old girl...hmmm) the only sign of lying was that the girl's neck would turn bright red. But this girl a couple of weeks ago was Casey-like in her calm insistence that she was being set up. Apparently, there are people who can lie like this. I don't care if Casey is "officially diagnosed" with something or not, I can see that she is exactly the same as the girl I had on the witness stand.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

BBM

I'm sorry, but lying to LE about doing ten over the speed limit, or how many beers you've had isn't comparable to lying to them about your alleged kidnapped child, imo.

Nothing to be sorry about, I agree, in fact, I said that it was a different situation when a child was involved in the sentence following the one bolded in the quote. I am simply stating that although I agree it is bad to lie to the police in general, people tend to tell the police what they think the police want to hear, and often times they lie when they do it.

KC lied to the police. If it is true that she is a pathological liar, or a compulsive liar, then regardless of what the situation was, she would have lied to the police. Whether it was about writing a bad check, underage drinking, soliciting, speeding, stealing, shoplifting, where she worked, where she was on any given date at any given time, etc, etc, etc. A compulsive liar cannot stop themselves from lying, whether they did anything wrong or not. A pathological liar will lie about anything that seems to result in the best outcome for themselves. So, by definition, if KC is either one of those types of liars, she would automatically lie to police about anything and everything and the situation would not matter to her.

 

[MissJames]

KC's lies are just the honkin' huge red flag. It's the decomp in her trunk ,the dead baby (last seen getting into THAT car with KC) rotting in the woods just yards from her own home,and the 31 days ,that make the REASON KC lied,relevent.

 

[Turnadot]

Nothing to be sorry about, I agree, in fact, I said that it was a different situation when a child was involved in the sentence following the one bolded in the quote. I am simply stating that although I agree it is bad to lie to the police in general, people tend to tell the police what they think the police want to hear, and often times they lie when they do it.

KC lied to the police. If it is true that she is a pathological liar, or a compulsive liar, then regardless of what the situation was, she would have lied to the police. Whether it was about writing a bad check, underage drinking, soliciting, speeding, stealing, shoplifting, where she worked, where she was on any given date at any given time, etc, etc, etc. A compulsive liar cannot stop themselves from lying, whether they did anything wrong or not. A pathological liar will lie about anything that seems to result in the best outcome for themselves. So, by definition, if KC is either one of those types of liars, she would automatically lie to police about anything and everything and the situation would not matter to her.

BBM

Yes, people lie to LE. Also, people call 911 ASAP when their baby is kidnapped.

 

[Turnadot]

KC's lies are just the honkin' huge red flag. It's the decomp in her trunk ,the dead baby (last seen getting into THAT car with KC) rotting in the woods just yards from her own home,and the 31 days ,that make the REASON KC lied,relevent.

So true. Bottom line, imo; KC lies, but the evidence doesn't.

 

[Anais]

Yes ICA is a pathological liar at the expense of the state of Florida. All the time that LE spent chasing down worthless, dead end leads & information was not only a waste of time & money but also took away from other people who may have really needed their help! People who would be willing to help find their missing child.

Not only is ICA a proven liar, but IMO she's a manipulator whose sole focus is one, and only one thing: C*A*S*E*Y

JMHO

 

[Anais]

So true. Bottom line, imo; KC lies, but the evidence doesn't.

ITA the evidence doesn't lie.

In this case IMO ICA will be convicted because the evidence doesn't lie. She was the very last person to be seen with a live Caylee, no nanny or babysitter ever existed, and although the SA will have to do some work to put it all together and present to the jury. It is all there. It may be circumstantial but there's a whole lot of it that fits together perfectly like a puzzle.

Justice For Caylee!!!

 

[LambChop]

I don't think honest people are saints I think they are just honest. Usually honest people don't get the tickets.....they get warnings. My husband who was LE once told me when he confronted someone if they told him the truth he was very easy on them. When he picked up a juvenile he would call the parents. Their reaction would determine whether he just had the parents come down or whether he put the juvenile under arrest. He said most parents are honest and the one's who were not he felt it would be a waste of time to send them home as they be back the next day for something worse. He always told me most people are basically honest when confronted by LE (not criminals but ordinary people).

KC does know better because she does not always lie, only when she wants something she feels she cannot get. It's the lies that point toward guilt and KC has done that to herself, no one else has....not LE, not SA, not Judge Strickland. They are doing their job. KC lies because she believes she will get away with it. The damage is done and if KC wants to save her life the lies need to stop NOW!!! Tell that to defense. jmo

 

[countzero]

I had the unpleasant experience a couple of weeks ago of examining a witness on the stand (17-year-old girl) who was exactly like Casey. She would say something, you would prove that her statement was absolutely 100% a big fat lie, and she would calmly and smoothly fold your new information into her prior lie and act like she was NOT CHANGING HER STORY even though she clearly was. She would repeat lies that were clearly insane and not even consistent with the laws of physics in a calm and undisturbed manner. Her MOTHER would sit there and SMIRK like, "see how smart my daughter is" while this was going on. Reminded me of someone in this case too...

One time, for a fraction of a second, she saw me reach for yet another document to prove what she just said was a lie, and just for that fraction of a second I saw something in her eyes that might have been doubt/fear, but then it was gone. I was 3 feet from her eyes; I'm sure no one else in the courtroom saw anything. Quite honestly, she terrified me. If she's this good at 17, what will she be like at 25?

So in the case of this witness, I knew (I mean I really really knew) that she was lying. No question. I had proof that was beyond any possible shadow of a doubt. Unless she had a time machine and her best friend was able to turn into liquid at will (Wonder Twins activate!). Normally when I confront a witness like this, they admit to lying, cry, get angry...something. One time (another 17 year old girl...hmmm) the only sign of lying was that the girl's neck would turn bright red. But this girl a couple of weeks ago was Casey-like in her calm insistence that she was being set up. Apparently, there are people who can lie like this. I don't care if Casey is "officially diagnosed" with something or not, I can see that she is exactly the same as the girl I had on the witness stand.

Now try living with a relative like this..... it isn't easy. So many people who haven't been exposed to "personalities" like ICA/CA/GA/LA have difficulty understanding the lives that are ruined by them. Most of the affected relatives have a great deal of experience with them. Drama, drama and more drama if I allowed it to consume our lives. I have in the past checked and double checked the lies and still :banghead:. Thank God, I can say that no one has been murdered or seriously injured in my family. Like you AZLawyer and others here, I don't need a degree to know it. I live it.

It's bad enough with one, but to have four distinctive passive-aggressive liars in one family ......... at least with mine I know what I am up against. Which I guess one could say I immediately saw the signs within the A clan and knew they were lying immediately on July 16, 08. Nothing has changed my opinion. My fence sitting is still whether CA/GA were either part of it, or became aware of Caylee's murder and ICA participation in it or immediately after Caylee's murder.

 

[Aedrys]

Nothing to be sorry about, I agree, in fact, I said that it was a different situation when a child was involved in the sentence following the one bolded in the quote. I am simply stating that although I agree it is bad to lie to the police in general, people tend to tell the police what they think the police want to hear, and often times they lie when they do it.

KC lied to the police. If it is true that she is a pathological liar, or a compulsive liar, then regardless of what the situation was, she would have lied to the police. Whether it was about writing a bad check, underage drinking, soliciting, speeding, stealing, shoplifting, where she worked, where she was on any given date at any given time, etc, etc, etc. A compulsive liar cannot stop themselves from lying, whether they did anything wrong or not. A pathological liar will lie about anything that seems to result in the best outcome for themselves. So, by definition, if KC is either one of those types of liars, she would automatically lie to police about anything and everything and the situation would not matter to her.

So because a person is pathological liar, they can't be a murderer or they automatically get away with murder? At the very least, the fact someone is lying should throw up red flags that something is wrong, not just that they can't help themselves with lying. I'm sorry, but I am not giving Casey a pass because lying comes as easy to her as breathing.

I just do not understand people that want play down Casey's lying like it's no big deal. IT IS A BIG DEAL. Her CHILD was MISSING. If your child was missing, wouldn't you want the truth and not a bunch of lies as to what happened and where they are? Wouldn't it frustrate you if this person that knows where they are told you nothing but lies so your child could not be found?

This isn't lying about why someone speeds or trying to lie about how many drinks a person has had. This is about a HUMAN LIFE in the balance, or in this case, an innocent, defenseless child rotting out in the wilderness while her own mother leads the police astray. LE cared about this child and wanted the truth; Casey only cared about covering her a** and so she did what she does best, lied and lied to LE.

How some people want to divorce her lying from her being a murderer is flying in the face of all reasonable logic. And good GOD, lying to the police of all people shows her character - she didn't care who she lied to, just that she lie and lie and they would just believe her and not question her. You're going to tell me that someone who lies to the police is someone to be trusted with the life of a child and someone who couldn't have possibly killed a child? Show me a case where someone lied and didn't turn out to be guilty of the crime they were lying about. I watched several cases on the Investigation Discovery channel today where the person lied and forensics and good police work ALWAYS caught them in those lies and got them convicted.

It is REPREHENSIBLE that she lied. LYING IS NEVER OKAY. Children should be taught from birth that it's wrong to lie and not do it. Here, GA and CA just let her get away with lying her whole life. THAT WAS WRONG. It is despicable, intolerable, and to me, does indicate that she is a murderer. Honest, law abiding people don't LIE to the police when it matters. A speeding ticket is so much different than a missing child! It's also not that she lied, but what she lied about! WHO LIES ABOUT THEIR MISSING CHILD? ONLY THE ONE WHO KNOWS WHY THEY ARE MISSING.

 

[TallyHo]

I had the unpleasant experience a couple of weeks ago of examining a witness on the stand (17-year-old girl) who was exactly like Casey. She would say something, you would prove that her statement was absolutely 100% a big fat lie, and she would calmly and smoothly fold your new information into her prior lie and act like she was NOT CHANGING HER STORY even though she clearly was. She would repeat lies that were clearly insane and not even consistent with the laws of physics in a calm and undisturbed manner. Her MOTHER would sit there and SMIRK like, "see how smart my daughter is" while this was going on. Reminded me of someone in this case too...

One time, for a fraction of a second, she saw me reach for yet another document to prove what she just said was a lie, and just for that fraction of a second I saw something in her eyes that might have been doubt/fear, but then it was gone. I was 3 feet from her eyes; I'm sure no one else in the courtroom saw anything. Quite honestly, she terrified me. If she's this good at 17, what will she be like at 25?

So in the case of this witness, I knew (I mean I really really knew) that she was lying. No question. I had proof that was beyond any possible shadow of a doubt. Unless she had a time machine and her best friend was able to turn into liquid at will (Wonder Twins activate!). Normally when I confront a witness like this, they admit to lying, cry, get angry...something. One time (another 17 year old girl...hmmm) the only sign of lying was that the girl's neck would turn bright red. But this girl a couple of weeks ago was Casey-like in her calm insistence that she was being set up. Apparently, there are people who can lie like this. I don't care if Casey is "officially diagnosed" with something or not, I can see that she is exactly the same as the girl I had on the witness stand.

AZ - that is precisely why I am so thankful there are people like you who can calmly expose/refute/wade through the BS in court. Just listening to Casey, or Cindy for that matter, talk to LE is enough to make my head explode. How any of them got through all of that without physically putting their hands around their necks and choking both of them, I'll never know. :banghead: If I had been that officer in the car listening to Casey berate the police for not putting out the Amber Alert, I would have wrecked the car and then beat her to a pulp. And I am one of the most easy going, nonviolent people you'll ever meet! I am just so thankful that there are professionals who are trained to deal with people like this. God bless you!!!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Sometimes the police do not get the opportunity to hear the truth. It sure would make their job easy, I mean if everyone told them the truth, then why would we need them to investigate anything. Kc's lies to police are not that bad in my opinion. So she lied to them to get them out there to look at tapes. Sometimes when 3 people are asking questions at the same time, you are answering one and they are applying your answer to others. There are innocent people who have testified how bad it is to be interrogated by the police, you go into some kind of trance, you can't even think straight. It is so much pressure. I say, how could they possibly get to the truth with those techniques? Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Appie Wells had the best approach. IMO

She didn't have to lie to get the police to help her. That makes no sense. We heard the tapes, they were trying to help her find caylee. She was lying because she is guilty.