Caylee Anthony 2 year old #20 General Discussion

[Wise Old Owl]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

 

[RR0004]

I commented on this the other night, but nobody responded. Looking at those pictures definitely pinged my gaydar, as they say.

I remember, Diane. But, my daughter and her friends behave all mushy in their "bar pics". Not something that makes a mother proud, but they're all good (straight) kids.

 

[ebrich]

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The only thing that holds me back from believing in this strange hunch, is the photo of this little girl, who deserves to be located. That and the dogs. Plus, I don't think anybody could make this stuff up. But it sure is odd.

casey could...

 

[DianeB]

Was it ever mentioned as to what time of day this shovel incident occurred? I remember the neighbor saying he had taken a shower, but that doesn't necessarily mean morning...I shower at night (FWIW).

Didn't he say he was working in the yard when she drove up, backed the car into the driveway, and came over to borrow the shovel? I'm guessing he doesn't mow the lawn at night, but it doesn't get dark until about 8 so he might have been out there watering the lawn.

I wonder if she went into the house first, not realizing she couldn't get access to a shovel, before approaching the neighbor or if she walked right over to him when she got there? Did she open the garage door or go through the front door to get into the house?

 

[swa]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

There is NO CHANCE that George is involved in this.

 

[Blink34]

Yes, you have a big point there. One BIG difference is the Van Dams were not trying to protect anyone in their family and they had to know what happened to their baby. They wanted help to find their child no matter what.

However the Anthony's only want people searching for something we all think is a lie. Looking for some woman we don't think exists. They don't want to find a dead child somewhere. I don't either but unfortunately I think thats what we are going to find. I think if grandma called on the community to do an inch by inch of the community to find the child and invited TES or another search group in, they would get more help.

How did they finally find that other adorable little girl in FL a couple of years ago that was buried alive on the perps property? The Anthony's are in a much more precarious situation as I think they know they daughter did something with Caylee and just can't admit it to themselves.

We agree ( even with my lameazz typing at 2:30am). I respect that the Van Dam's were HONEST with LE, Danielle was found.
Although I knew Danielle was dead in that case immediately, the irony is,
I was still socked in the gut when they found her. As I await here, sadly.

 

[Blink34]

There is NO CHANCE that George is involved in this.

Agreed, none.

 

[DianeB]

i agree with you 100%. this is a post i wrote yesterday (but i think LE is done sitting on the evidence):


i think LE does have evidence that caylee is deceased; the car has been seized since the 17th, ample time to get forensics back. and at the same time, they sort of implied it:

A sheriff's investigator said on Friday that based on a smell and other evidence in Anthony's car, it's possible Caylee is dead and her mother is involved.

however, i also think LE may be sitting on whatever evidence that they have. the evidence they can get from the car will show whether caylee was alive or deceased; they will probably be able to distinguish this based solely on the strands of hair that they found. but they will need the body to prove how she died. for example, it will make a huge difference, legally speaking at least, if the body shows that she was strangled, as opposed to fell down the stairs (or any accident, etc). if there was intent, it will be murder; if it was only negligence, it will be manslaughter.

while the police cannot make casey talk to them (ever, in fact - she can remain silent forever and no one will ever get any answers from her, and that would be 100% within the bounds of the law - how much does that suck? this is why baez isn't letting LE speak to her. it's actually the smartest thing he has done, considering how much she has already incriminated herself), the fbi can make her talk. of course, in saying that, i am assuming (and hoping) that she won't continue her ridiculous denials. so, LE may sit on their evidence, wait for the fbi to try to break her, and then say "look at everything we have on you (you crazy lying )." and then force her to show them where the remains are in exchange for a lesser charge (or something along those lines). having the body itself is also better for public policy reasons - it will bring closure to the case.

this will go to a jury either way (unless she pleads, but that would mean accepting guilt). on one hand, it looks terrible for the mother of a 2-year-old to take the fifth, or to selfishly care more about remaining in jail than helping the authorities find her little girl who was "stolen" over a month ago (especially because she insists that caylee is alive). on the other hand, as much as all of this circumstantial evidence looks damning, it would be incredibly hard to pin murder on her (or maybe even manslaughter) without knowing that caylee was, in fact, killed.

i am sure LE will (or already does) have the credit card records, phone records, and maybe even computer records. thus, they will be able to discern exactly where she has been for the past month, what she has spent money on, if she has in fact spoken to the nanny (for that matter, if she has ever spoken to the nanny. casey said in her statement that the nanny has watched caylee for a year and a half or two years. that is basically caylee's whole life. i find it so hard to believe that she really does exist and NO one has ever met her). they will also probably be able to determine what emails and facebook/myspace messages she has posted and/or deleted, at what location she posted/deleted them, who she has hung out, and what other lies she has spun. they may also have the stolen/forged checks from amy, statements from all of her friends and family, her employment records, etc (so they can parade a slew of witnesses up there to trash her character). considering how much evidence we have already found, just by using the internet, i can't even imagine what they must know.

this gives me a little faith that, ultimately, justice will be served. i hope she got all of that partying out of her system....

this is just my opinion, please take it for whatever it's worth.

I buy it.

 

[RR0004]

Didn't he say he was working in the yard when she drove up, backed the car into the driveway, and came over to borrow the shovel? I'm guessing he doesn't mow the lawn at night, but it doesn't get dark until about 8 so he might have been out there watering the lawn.

I wonder if she went into the house first, not realizing she couldn't get access to a shovel, before approaching the neighbor or if she walked right over to him when she got there? Did she open the garage door or go through the front door to get into the house?

Do you think she would have had access to the house or garage if her own mother wouldn't even let her know where the key to the shed was?

Thanks for the info about the time of day. I was just curious.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ok - skip George. This was another discussion going on - deals with Nanny Zanny. Someone found that Jesus Ortiz' mother was Zaniada Gonzalez. It was opinionated that Casey remained friends with her - grandmother. Cindy and George didn't know and Casey passed her off as the nanny. Casey obviously doesn't get long with mommy Cindy and mommy Cindy had threatened her with DCF and custody. So, Casey gave Caylee to Zanny to leave with a keep safe until she can meet up with them. This opinion doesn't take the car / backyard smell (dogs) into account. Casey then went on a spending spree just to get back at Cindy. Don't know - this puzzle has me going in circles. What do you think?

 

[RR0004]

We agree ( even with my lameazz typing at 2:30am). I respect that the Van Dam's were HONEST with LE, Danielle was found.
Although I knew Danielle was dead in that case immediately, the irony is,
I was still socked in the gut when they found her. As I await here, sadly.

Did you just take a nap?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I remember, Diane. But, my daughter and her friends behave all mushy in their "bar pics". Not something that makes a mother proud, but they're all good (straight) kids.

I agree totally! They think it is quite comical to act like that for photos. Lovely. (Groan) However, it means nothing. I have seen it many times.

 

[RR0004]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

I'm sure GP alerted GM to the smell in the car.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Agreed, none.

Agree with your agreement.

 

[Blink34]

I remember, Diane. But, my daughter and her friends behave all mushy in their "bar pics". Not something that makes a mother proud, but they're all good (straight) kids.

My kids are pre-party age (way) and sucking face with my peeps to arouse dudes was not yet in when my galpals and I were on the circuit (campus), but I think it is 50/50. Most for show, some for ho.
Do not think either way it is relevant, this chiclet did not give a rats a** about anyone or anything over being "crunk"

 

[DianeB]

Thankx! I have an opinion (or theory) that I would like to kick around. I don't know if this was discussed early on - I've only read from about #17 up. It was also being discussed on the other forum I was reading.

There has to be a reason why Casey and Cindy are acting (lying), recanting, stumbling. What about the grandfather - George? The other forum had links to documents that he filed for divorce around Caylee's first Xmas. He is ex-LEO. Could that be why Casey doesn't want to talk to locals? Casey borrowed the shovel while GM and GF weren't there. IMO did George do it - Cindy and Casey found out - Caylee was buried in backyard. Casey couldn't handle it anymore and her and mom cooked up the idea for Casey to dig her up while they were gone and try to get to someone who could help them? I don't know - that's where this go awry - something went wrong after Casey left. Or maybe she just got rid of Caylee and went out partying. But wasn't it George who got the car back? If he had driven it home - wouldn't he have smelled it? He cleaned it out. Now, he knows "Caylee" is out of the bag and, being ex-LEO knows this will all get pinned on her?

I'm just thinking outside the box - what do you all think?

And George wasn't working until July 14th. What does he do with his time?

But I don't for one nanosecond believe that Casey would be sitting in jail if it had been George. She wasn't scared when she was arrested, she was pissed - she's probably apoplectic by now that she's missing all her club nights. She'd have given dad up in a heartbeat if it meant freedom.

Oh, and welcome.

 

[ebrich]

Didn't Cindy say the ladder was always put away from the pool? In the video of them searching the yard, the ladder is in the pool.

 

[kathyn2]

Well gang, I am off to bed. We have to be up to watch the press conference. I hope it is a good one with some good news. Like they are filing murder charges against Casey. I hope to God she tells where that baby is so her parents can get some closure and move on. I do feels sorry for them. Especially dad. I feel he is a good guy and honest and the brother too. See you all tomorrow!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Do you think she would have had access to the house or garage if her own mother wouldn't even let her know where the key to the shed was?

Thanks for the info about the time of day. I was just curious.

Yes, Casey would have had full access to the house and garage since she was supposed to have Caylee with her. They would not lock her out of the place they preferred her to be with Caylee.

As for the time of day, it is my belief it was daytime.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Didn't Cindy say the ladder was always put away from the pool? In the video of them searching the yard, the ladder is in the pool.

Oh, good catch!! That is very interesting, isn't it?!