Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #41

[mamasooze]

I think Jesus Ortiz died May 8 2006 and this was the first birthday so would be Aug. 8 2006. I do not think it would be Jesus.

OOh--You think maybe Casey LIED???????????????????
Face it, she lies like a rug--all over and for no apparent reason.

 

[mamasooze]

Guys, a polite reminder there is a thread in this forum specifically dedicated to the paternity issues.. In an effort to keep organized can we continue it there?
Thanks

Sorry-could not resist one more Casey Lied

 

[Blink34]

Sorry-could not resist one more Casey Lied

I dont think your off topic to this thread on that, so your ok

 

[capoly]

On another note, I found it odd that the Orlando PD don't have Caylee listed on their website as a missing juevenile. reguardless of who is handling the case, they are from Orlando, correct? strange.

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One would think so. Though there are 21 children listed as missing on NCMEC for Orlando yet only 8 on OPD missing children's page.

 

[asher1979]

I haven't posted on this forum because it's so complex and I can't keep up. But I have a few thoughts.

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?

I'm wondering if she has a disorder that has worsened in recent months or years. Obviously she has lied to people over the years but could it have gotten worse lately? I ask because an old friend of mine has always been bipolar. But when she started partying and doing drugs she developed paranoid schizophrenia. Could something like that have happened to Casey?

I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm typing things clearly. I have an overwhelming feeling of sadness after looking at those new photos of Caylee and Casey. My own 18 month old daughter is away for the weekend (visiting family out of state with my husband, I couldn't go... too much work to do). This is my first time away from her overnight. Combine that with those sweet photos of Casey and Caylee and I can't stop tearing up.

 

[mamasooze]

Probably, I also read someplace that the boyfriend told LE that she had him pick her up there, at the Amscot, and she told him the car needed to be worked on and that her dad was going to have it either picked up/towed. I think she took care of things 2 times, once , in a hurry in her backyard, then came back and to retrieve , then transported to another place, obviously not far b/c let's be honest....the smell was obviously very overpowering, and she probably figured she could not risk being pulled over or something with that smell in the car. Hince the "close to home" bs she told her brother on the phone.

On another note, I found it odd that the Orlando PD don't have Caylee listed on their website as a missing juevenile. reguardless of who is handling the case, they are from Orlando, correct? strange.

I'm still puzzled about abandoning the car (ack--I'm thinking like Cindy?). We know it stunk. We know there may/may not have had gas (cans in trunk possibly?). It is not broken down as George drove it home-stink, gas and revved engine going, its all there. Wouldn't she have to explain all this to Cindy and George at some point? I saw on another board some questions about the mysteriously missing Blackjack phone. I googled about the phone and it seems to have a GPS. Was the phone in her purse in the abandoned car (or the park)-- But at any rate, its very hard for me to believe that George and Cindy even at this point would believe a single word Casey has to say.

 

[LI_Mom]

LI_Mom, I have seen them... they are posted on another forum...its a video, I didnot think it was right for me to post them, I don't want to get in trouble.

Sorry met to say there are pictures of Caylee with her grandparents and Uncle Lee

Thanks, Knoxx.

FYI, there's a thread in this forum for posting pics & stuff.


I'm glad there ARE some pictures of Caylee with family members... but there sure weren't any in that particular group of photos.

 

[LI_Mom]

I haven't posted on this forum because it's so complex and I can't keep up. But I have a few thoughts.

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?

Having an infant & having a growing toddler are 2 totally different things.

An infant sleeps most of the time... it really doesn't change your life VERY MUCH, especially if you're living at home & have a built-in babysitter at your disposal.

Once a child gets old enough to start talking & to start "reporting" back to your family... it might cause all sorts of problems for a mother who might not be doing such a great job.

Maybe George was even getting more & more tired of having to take care of Caylee while Casey slept off yet another hangover......

Caylee probably became caught in a sad tug-of-war between the Anthony family towards the end.

 

[Chanler]

I haven't posted on this forum because it's so complex and I can't keep up. But I have a few thoughts.

I know people have discussed Casey having some sort of personality/mental disorder. I feel like you can really see an entirely different person when you look at the photos that Hart posted today. Her joy and genuine love for her daughter is present. These new photos are all about her, her and her. What can make a person change like that?

I'm wondering if she has a disorder that has worsened in recent months or years. Obviously she has lied to people over the years but could it have gotten worse lately? I ask because an old friend of mine has always been bipolar. But when she started partying and doing drugs she developed paranoid schizophrenia. Could something like that have happened to Casey?

I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm typing things clearly. I have an overwhelming feeling of sadness after looking at those new photos of Caylee and Casey. My own 18 month old daughter is away for the weekend (visiting family out of state with my husband, I couldn't go... too much work to do). This is my first time away from her overnight. Combine that with those sweet photos of Casey and Caylee and I can't stop tearing up.

Thank you, Asher, for a really fine post. So much of what you say sounds both plausible and touching. Like others here, I have fluctuating ideas about Casey's state. It seems, for example, that she has long been a somewhat habitual liar, but I wonder whether that lying and the thefts really became prominent after the Caylee Event. Her callousness now might be an extreme, but not uncommon response to tragedy or a great misdeed. (I'm reminded, for instance, of Hiroshima survivors who continued on with their daily lives even though their city was essentially gone.)

And as for your comment about your daughter, I've never been a parent, but I honestly greatly miss by longtime girlfriend's young nephews when I don't see them.

 

[lostnfound85]

The amazing fact to me is that Casey was able to hide Cayley's absence from everybody for a month. I know when my mother and mother-in-law law were alive, if they didn't hear from the grandchildren practically every day, and see them at least every few days, they would have the police out.

 

[anastacia129]

When I was a single mom at 23, I didn't live with my parents, but for a while they were the "guardians" of her. Not b/c of anything I did, I requested they do it, basically because I was having a very hard time adjusting to motherhood, and dealing with a break-up between her dad and I, I just knew I was in over my head. My point is, she (my daughter) in the year and a 1/2 that she spent the majority of her time with my parents (she was with me around 3 nights a week and during the day alot) , she did devleope a bond with them that was naturally deeper than the one with me. I can't tell you how heartbreaking it is at the moment you realize what has happened, and the baby (toddler) wants your parents more than they do you, and cries when they are leaving her with you....it's something I can't easily explain, but it does cause resentment not only toward the parents but toward the child too. even though I was teh person that wanted the space, it still has that effect. I can see some similarities between myself and what Casey might have felt, and I can see how she might not have such a tight bond with Caylee, even though it is her flesh and blood. There were times when I almost felt numb toward my daughter, probably just to avoid the hurt the whole situation created. I don't know how relevant this is to the case, but it may help you see how Casey could be acting the way she is. I am not condoning it by any means, just offering some insight ....and in case you wondered....I did get full custody of my daughter back on her 3rd birthday. It's been hard , but we did eventually get close and now are as close as any other mom/daughter. I just couldn't help but reflect back on those days, this case has reminded me of how far I have come.

 

[bluedevil21]

In another Local 6 report, Jose Baez was asked about Nancy Grace's mentioning twice on her show Thursday about Carlos Padilla of the Orange County Sherriff's department confirming that Jose had asked for immunity for his client Casey Anthony in return for information. His response was telling: he complained that there'd been so many leaks in the case by the police department and went on to ask how Carlos would know, since "he wasn't there."

A benefit was held for Caylee last night - one reports says about $850 were raised, and another says $860 donated with 1 check.

i just read this in an article. like mentioned yesterday, i think the immunity requests are incredibly telling. an attorney doesn't ask for immunity unless his client has self-incriminating evidence that will add to the public record (warranting an exchange of information for legal protection); however, i think it's ridiculous that a missing child's own mother is asking for it. as for the money raised at the benefit, i'm not surprised (but it is even lower than i expected)...

 

[anastacia129]

I'm still puzzled about abandoning the car (ack--I'm thinking like Cindy?). We know it stunk. We know there may/may not have had gas (cans in trunk possibly?). It is not broken down as George drove it home-stink, gas and revved engine going, its all there. Wouldn't she have to explain all this to Cindy and George at some point? I saw on another board some questions about the mysteriously missing Blackjack phone. I googled about the phone and it seems to have a GPS. Was the phone in her purse in the abandoned car (or the park)-- But at any rate, its very hard for me to believe that George and Cindy even at this point would believe a single word Casey has to say.

I believe she just told the boyfriend the car broke down as an excuse to get him to pick her up there, so she could abandon the car. I recall now that I saw this on NG, an interview with somebody revealed this info. I can't account for what she planned to tell her parents about the car, other than she obviously wasn't much of a planner...

 

[RoseRed]

I thought it was last year at the birthday 8/9/07?

It was, sorry, but I was thinking about the 1st year birthday story. Blonde moment! :blushing:

 

[MsJoni]

Having an infant & having a growing toddler are 2 totally different things.

An infant sleeps most of the time... it really doesn't change your life VERY MUCH, especially if you're living at home & have a built-in babysitter at your disposal.

Once a child gets old enough to start talking & to start "reporting" back to your family... it might cause all sorts of problems for a mother who might not be doing such a great job.

Maybe George was even getting more & more tired of having to take care of Caylee while Casey slept off yet another hangover......

Caylee probably became caught in a sad tug-of-war between the Anthony family towards the end.

ITA, babies are easy, toddlers go through the "terrible twos" and become autonomous and I don't think Casie was prepared for that...

 

[bluedevil21]

I believe she just told the boyfriend the car broke down as an excuse to get him to pick her up there, so she could abandon the car. I recall now that I saw this on NG, an interview with somebody revealed this info. I can't account for what she planned to tell her parents about the car, other than she obviously wasn't much of a planner...

she told tony that the car ran out of gas and that her dad would come pick it up and fix it. he had no clue...

this is just my opinion, but i think after disposing of the body, she didn't know what to do. so casey, synonymous with the president of mensa, just left it in a random parking lot, hoping that it would get stolen or towed. i dont think she ever counted on it getting towed and a letter being sent to her house informing them of the location; and if so, i think she was planning on blaming it on someone else (read: zanny the nanny), but cindy blew her plan to hell when she immediately called the police. all of casey's lies center around that day - i don't think she was able to think of a good enough, believable story before the cops showed up. hence, on the following day, when LE drove her to the apartment and universal, she was screwed.

 

[anastacia129]

Caylee probably became caught in a sad tug-of-war between the Anthony family towards the end.
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That's exactly what happened with me and my parents, they felt a sense of entitlement to her.. even things as simple as who is buying her halloween costume turned into a major argument. I felt entitled to do those things as the mother, and they wanted to do it because they had a bond and cared for her....it all sounds petty I know, but it really was a big deal at the time.

We are almost treated as siblings sometimes, they would try and discipline her even when I was around, like I wasn't even there...you can see how the roles can be so easily blurred when things like this happen.

 

[LI_Mom]

I just couldn't help but reflect back on those days, this case has reminded me of how far I have come.

Just wanted to say, I'm so happy your story has such a happy ending!

I totally get what you're saying.... we all grow up & mature at our own rates & sometimes we find ourselves in a situation that we just are NOT ready to handle. No shame in that.

By the way, I hope your relationship with your parents is close now.... I know you must LOVE them dearly for the sacrifices they made for you & your daughter.

If only Casey was able to hold on just a little longer... she might have had a happy ending also.

 

[Knoxx]

Thanks, Knoxx.

FYI, there's a thread in this forum for posting pics & stuff.


I'm glad there ARE some pictures of Caylee with family members... but there sure weren't any in that particular group of photos.

I sent you a pm explaining...

 

[asher1979]

I know what you mean. The toddler stage has been much more overwhelming than the infant stage. There are days when my daughter can make me feel insane. Toddlers are mobile, vocal, temperamental and in the middle of discovering their personality. There are many times during the day when I have to stop myself and take a deep breath.

I'm sure it got too overwhelming for Casey, a young single mom living at home with what appears to be dysfunctional parents. I just look at Casey and all I can think is "Why?" If she didn't want Caylee it's clear her parents did.