Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #61

[shannon718]

So that would mean that Casey got the new cell phone possibly on the 17th too?

really good point. Maybe! We need to find the date that the car was abandoned. and the dates that she drove Amy's car. When did that smell get to bad and did she try to clean it up? Remember the cleaning fluids/detergent thing.

 

[crocus]

So, George obviously works 2nd shift....Goes to work 2ish? Cindy works days, gets home at 5:30ish?

I am looking for a window of opportunity for Casey to be at the home when nobody is there.

 

[Cakegirl]

Does anyone remember what day she abandoned the car? And what day she borrowed Amy's. This is important.

Wasn't it thought to have been dumped on the 27th and towed on the 30th?

I would have to go back and check on Amy's car stuff. I thought it was during the 2nd week of July though... but could be wrong.

 

[SuziQ]

Does anyone remember what day she abandoned the car? And what day she borrowed Amy's. This is important.

According to Tony he picked her up from the Amsco parking lot on the 27th. I don't know of an official confirmation of that yet.

 

[tttterri]

Why is the "pool ladder/open gate" story being given more credence than any of the other tall tales we've heard from this family?

Yes, the pool ladder was down in July when the backyard search was done. What outside corroboration do we have that Cindy and George are being truthful with respect to their sudden clarity about June 16th?

That is Exactly what I was wondering also! Why are so many accepting the pool ladder as truth so quickly? And HOW did the neighbor all of a sudden remember when the shovel was borrowed? I am still wondering where the calls were made FROM. Affidavit stated that Casey said she returned to Sawgrass Apts at around 3pm on the 16th and found Caylee gone. The news on Fox live today showed pictures showing the LE was back at Sawgrass today and stayed for 2 hrs. Makes me have to wait to see more details.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

Hate to confuse even more but here it goes.
Whose to say it was not premeditated? Casey made several calls on the 16th and not a single 911 call? Maybe she needed an alibi? She then goes through an even bigger production to hide Caylee on top of this, she continues to fabricate lie after lie? Yet she is still able to function like a promoter and the perfect girlfriend for TonE, while also talking and texting Cindy daily, even stopping by the parents house, where she is caught with the stolen gas cans on the 24th?

About the only thing that adds up is the 16th date time line, which would then place her at TonE's, for the last two weeks of June. Need to keep in mind all the past episodes of Caylee being with the Nanny, going back a year and half.

 

[SuziQ]

From tonights Greta

Inside the CSI Search

What were investigators looking for when they returned to the home of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony's grandparents. FOX News contributor Mark Fuhrman was on the scene. WATCHhttp://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html#

• The Full Storyhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398762,00.html

 

[blondietx]

Another possiblity - Caylee was in the backyard somewhere until G&C went on vacation, which would have been 6/22 to 6/24 based on the police report. So that doesn't work if the shovel was borrowed on 6/18.

Shovel was to bury her on the 18th then between 6/22-6/24, she dug her up and moved her. Remember, even if the shovel wasn't used to bust the lock, she stole the gas cans during those dates. So, she got into that shed somehow.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

UUUGGGHHHH - server busy

But gave me time to think. We are all going on what the GP's have said. We have no confirmation that George was actually working.

Here's a thought:

16th - Casey and Caylee are sleeping. Cindy gets up - goes to work - early prob 7-8ish.

George gets up - having coffee - whatever - not paying attention.

Caylee gets up (this could even happen BEFORE george is awake as well) - wanders into the pool - drowns.

George finds her - already gone. Decides to pin this on Casey. So - he goes into Casey's room - wakes her up asking where is Caylee - they BOTH go out to the pool and find her.

Cover up starts. Casey thinks its a cover up - but George is plotting to pin this all on her.

Anyone?

 

[CheckDaFacts]

Wasn't it thought to have been dumped on the 27th and towed on the 30th?

I would have to go back and check on Amy's car stuff. I thought it was during the 2nd week of July though... but could be wrong.

The date was not tacked down. Cindy testified it had been in the tow lot since the 30th. It was noted it sat at the mall for a couple days prior to being towed. I think we semi established the probability of a week end drop off by Casey being possibly anywhere from the 27-29 of Jun.

 

[gigi2009]

I would love to work with this theory. My Color is green so add/or take away whomever wishes to jump in!

Originally Posted by shannon718
I just rewatched Mark Furhman and want to run something by you guys with the tightened time line etc. Okay ready?

The GPS state that Cindy and Caylee swam in the pool together on the night of June 15 and the ladder was taken down and put away as always to prevent Caylee from wandering in the pool alone and drowning.

The GPS then state that no one swam in the pool on the following day but came home and found the gate open and the ladder attached to the pool. June 16th.

June 16th is the flurry of phone calls from Casey to her parents and two other people which go unanswered.

Caylee wasn't being watched and fell into the pool and drowned June 16th
Casey was on computer for hours AGAIN
Casey calls her parents and 2 friends incessantly for help no one answers

Casey panics and puts Caylees body on the ground (no dog hit yetdog hit)
Tries to revive her?
Really panics cause GP's will cut her off for good!

Brings her in the house (CSI luminol photography today)
hides her in garbage bag in the corner under the bed in her room until the 17th
fluids leaking from Caylee
lays her down in the yard perhaps to bury her? (dog hit)

Goes to Sawgrass Apartments and looks for an apartment in Zanny's name (17th.) Setting up identity of Zanny and later takes detective there. (doesnt remember apt #she looked at)
Borrows the shovel from neighbor the next day (18th)
Neighbor notices Casey backs her car up to garage (18th)
Casey goes back get's Caylees body before its discovered (18th) Fluids leak in trunk, hair falls out? post mortem...hence the smell
Casey buries and or dumps the body in a body of water
Also the 18th drives i5 miles one way to bella vida blvd. Had looked at houses before with fiance maybethis was their dream home Leaves Caylee in one of two retention ponds with fountains. -
The 19th or 20th Tattoo of Bella Vida and a party at fusion

Parents on vacay 22nd-24th- gas reported stolen.

Please excuse the graphic nature.....it really pains me to write this.

Okay so we can move stuff around and see what makes sense and what fits.Maybe we'll get something pretty good.

 

[blondietx]

I just don't think it happened at the house. She left with Caylee at 1 and George left 2 - 2:30 - calls start at 3.

Maybe the first set of calls were to locate George to make sure he had already left for work? Then to locate Cindy to check and see what time she would be home? Just a thought?

 

[brighidin]

Bringing this over from the thread that closed right after I posted:

The gate was open? That would tend to implicate someone other than Casey putting that ladder down, since she could have gone through the house (and would have, if for no other reason than to put Caylee in a bathing suit, no?).

I think the pool angle may be another MacGuffin that may have nothing to do with anything.

I agree. I mean, it is a plausible theory. But I'm leery because it was the grandmother that brought up the pool angle, right? Right now, I don't believe anything the grandparents say, or at least, I question why they say certain things.

Thanks for the link to the MacGuffin, btw. I'd never heard that term before.

 

[not_my_kids]

I found a site that says that a body doesn't really begin to smell until putrefaction begins, that usually takes about 2 days. But it is slowed if the body is buried. So if we think that she initially buried Caylee, she would have had to be dead at least 3-4 days before she was placed in the trunk for the smell to result.
http://www.deardeath.com/after_death.htm
I must go vomit now.

 

[txelaine1]

I have wondered if maybe George left the gate open and the ladder up (if that is even true... who knows?) He looks like he may sunbathe. He has a bit of the George Hamilton leather skin look going for me.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

Shovel was to bury her on the 18th then between 6/22-6/24, she dug her up and moved her. Remember, even if the shovel wasn't used to bust the lock, she stole the gas cans during those dates. So, she got into that shed somehow.

Your assuming one shovel and only one shovel was used for this process. Shovel could have been borrowed only to break shed lock, possibly a shovel removed from shed along with gas cans that were not yet aware of and or borrowed from some place else. remember were just finding out Casey stole the gas cans George reported in the above burglary.

 

[ShinaLite]

k so this might not be the popular option but I still do believe as crazy as the gp's seem...they are being honest...
there have been mistakes but to me a lot of them are explainable under the circumstances..I also think even though we are hearing new stuff coming from them in the last few days these are things LE have already been told...
I could see how they would hold back certain things from the media because they felt it would just make Casey look worse and in their mind they wanted the focus to be on Caylee...but I don't think they have held back with any question the police have asked them....or directly lied to the police...they are not looking at things the way maybe we are( I for one see Casey totally guilty of harming Caylee without a doubt)...when you convince yourself of a truth you see and look away from certain things in your own head..and i see this with them...but I bet when asked by LE directly...they answer honestly....jmo...I think in the end it will be because of the little things they remember that actually nails casey and helps with the most accurate timeline...and a side note...no one..no one would even know little Caylee was missing had it not been for GM's call...
they make me suspisious too and I have gone back and forth...but right now, I would bet they have not lied to LE..
Also, If george was involved in some kind of cover up I can't see him calling the police on the 24th about the gas cans...if he was in kahoots (sp) with Casey about covering the death of her child, I don't think she'd be lying to him about some gas stolen...

 

[Leila]

IN RESPONSE TO CAT:

sorry Cat, I had to copy and paste this because i typed and typed back to you but the thread was closed : (

Here it is:


QUOTE=curiositycat;2465664]

Hey Cat I don't think this is exact but close and if we all work on this basic theory together maybe we can add to it, remove what doesn't work and add what does but it think its along these lines.

She didn't call 911 out of panic and fear of her negligence. As far as pretending to be Zanny I do believe that she is cunning enough to do that. Dont forget this is a woman that stole 1,000 dollars from her friend and then told Amy that she Amy packed the money in her bag for her trip in her sleep. She is a shameless liar. I don't think both GPS knew much until after the fact.

Shannon................I think your sequence of events is on target. Casey is a pro when it comes to lies, and I think it's very possible she simply picked out an apartment complex - Sawgrass Apts., and checked them out on June 17th, saw the guest register and simply picked out that name - Zenaida Fernandez Gonzolas. When the time came to lead LE to the babysitter's apt, she was all set.

 

[blondietx]

Your assuming one shovel and only one shovel was used for this process. Shovel could have been borrowed only to break shed lock, possibly a shovel removed from shed along with gas cans that were not yet aware of and or borrowed from some place else. remember were just finding out Casey stole the gas cans George reported in the above burglary.

No, I didn't make that clear. She could have used their shovel between 6/22-6/24 to do whatever it is she needed to do. Afterall, once she broke into the shed(however she did that), she had full access to anything else in there. Does that make more sense?

The initial reason she borrowed the shovel must not have been to break the lock, as I had guessed in earlier posts. It was to possibly bury something/someone!

 

[ShinaLite]

The initial reason she borrowed the shovel must not have been to break the lock, as I had guessed in earlier posts. It was to possibly bury something/someone!

right because the shovel was borrowed on the 18th...the shed was reported as being broken into on the 22-24th