Caylee Anthony 3 year old General discussion #99

[gibby207]

McSev, that has been my worry this whole time. I don't know why I spend my time blogging and sleuthing to change it, but I fear the same outcome.

 

[SuziQ]

Okay, another newbie question: The cadaver dogs wouldn't hit on an "accident" scene but a dead body, right? So, burial would be the only reason to hit in the back yard, right? Or nonburial but just letting lie but how long would the "gasses" start to enable a cadaver dog to hit?

Cadaver dogs are only trained to hit on death no matter if the body is buried or not. I've heard 10 minutes to two hours after death can leave the scent behind.

 

[RoseRed]

HOORAY!! I got the pants!! My work here is done.

In the JonBenet forum
IDI=Intruder did it
RDI=Ramsey's did it
IDI's are not very popular so I don;t go in there anymore:blowkiss:

I am also an IDI, always have been. I always need positive proof and not just theories to believe a person to be guilty. I got into the case only last year on the Topix forum.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It would depend on the degree to which the dogs are trained as to when they would be able to detect decomp. Decomp begins immediately, but depending on the conditions of the scene, the manner of death, and other factors...there is no real accurate way to tell how long it would take.

 

[gibby207]

Wow, Suzi, 10 minutes!?! Well, that speaks volumes...

 

[DazzlinDebSD]

Cindy said it on-camera in a walk-and-talk interview she gave to one of the local TV stations as she walked to her car after the bond hearing.

If I remember correctly, this is the same interview in which she inadvertently called herself a 'nurse of decomposition', and mentioned that her husband had worked in homicide.

Is that the same video that she says there was a pizza in the car for 12 days and she has a bruise on her leg but she's not abused? I thought I'd seen every video but I may be mistaken. I have the video of her leaving with George pissed off after the bond hearing because the detective said a hairdresser said she saw Caylee with bruises and he a a picture sent to him with Caylee having a black eye. If you run across the video of her saying George smelled this too can you send me the link?

 

[ketel0ne]

This will make the third time I have asked the question on here and I really am hoping for an answer:
1. Were the dogs used air sniffers or ground sniffers/ Some cadaver dogs detect the scent in the air and some detect in or under the dirt.

2. Were they specifically cadaver dogs or were they multipurpose? Some dogs are trained for cadaver, article searches, search and rescue, arson accelerants, bombs, and or any combo of the above.

And one more thing. If the story of Caylee cutting her feet on the bamboo was true, it might throw off the dog hits. They are tested with 3 ml of blood, that is what they must be able to hit on. If there was even a small amount of anyones blood in the backyard, they may have hit on that.

I think your questions are why Jose Baez filed his discovery motion on them.

 

[DianeB]

This will make the third time I have asked the question on here and I really am hoping for an answer:
1. Were the dogs used air sniffers or ground sniffers/ Some cadaver dogs detect the scent in the air and some detect in or under the dirt.

2. Were they specifically cadaver dogs or were they multipurpose? Some dogs are trained for cadaver, article searches, search and rescue, arson accelerants, bombs, and or any combo of the above.

And one more thing. If the story of Caylee cutting her feet on the bamboo was true, it might throw off the dog hits. They are tested with 3 ml of blood, that is what they must be able to hit on. If there was even a small amount of anyones blood in the backyard, they may have hit on that.

I think no one's answering your questions because no one has the slightest idea.

I'd wait a week or so and try again - you never know what might turn up by then.

 

[Themis]

Your assumption seems to be -correct me if I'm wrong- that the jury will believe the dogs accurately smelled decomposition, despite the fact that there is no physical evidence of decomposition.

I'm a little more cynical. I think a jury may want more proof than a smell. I hope they have it.

On the other hand, someone in this family did something with that baby that directly contributed to the fact that she's not here anymore, and a jury will want to see justice done for her.

Smell is the reception of physical evidence; gasses from decomposition material. The gasses are physical evidence. Gas is a physical matter just the same as liquid or solid.

 

[gibby207]

What does everyone think about the hurricane coming? I have been under the "it doesn't matter" as it has already been 2 months and in that area I would assume the impact would be lotsa rain. I really wish Casey would just TALK!

 

[SuziQ]

2. Were they specifically cadaver dogs or were they multipurpose? Some dogs are trained for cadaver, article searches, search and rescue, arson accelerants, bombs, and or any combo of the above.

And one more thing. If the story of Caylee cutting her feet on the bamboo was true, it might throw off the dog hits. They are tested with 3 ml of blood, that is what they must be able to hit on. If there was even a small amount of anyones blood in the backyard, they may have hit on that.

Drug dogs are trained to detect drugs, search dogs are trained to detect a human scent, etc. On NG, homeland security says dogs are not trained to multitask. A cadaver dog hits on blood spilled after death. Not blood spilled when someone is alive.

 

[not_my_kids]

I think your questions are why Jose Baez filed his discovery motion on them.

Not mine exactly, I started asking after he filed.
Me no likey Baez. Wouldn't want to give him ideas.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

If the question was not answered in regard to LE and the veh. odor. Responding deputies found an address inside the car on a piece of paper. Not certain on date but it does appear to be the 16th. This is only an estimation on my part.

 

[DianeB]

Is that the same video that she says there was a pizza in the car for 12 days and she has a bruise on her leg but she's not abused? I thought I'd seen every video but I may be mistaken. I have the video of her leaving with George pissed off after the bond hearing because the detective said a hairdresser said she saw Caylee with bruises and he a a picture sent to him with Caylee having a black eye. If you run across the video of her saying George smelled this too can you send me the link?

Now you mention it, I think she counted out 19 days, one by one.

I'll have to look for that - it was a good one. Because it was spur-of-the-moment after an emotional situation, it seemed more candid than usual.

 

[SuziQ]

Here is a great video from Nancy Grace with a Homeland security dog and handler.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/07/23/ng.cadaver.dog.cnn

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This will make the third time I have asked the question on here and I really am hoping for an answer:
1. Were the dogs used air sniffers or ground sniffers/ Some cadaver dogs detect the scent in the air and some detect in or under the dirt. I don't believe we have the answer to this specifically.

2. Were they specifically cadaver dogs or were they multipurpose? Some dogs are trained for cadaver, article searches, search and rescue, arson accelerants, bombs, and or any combo of the above. According to what I have heard, they were specifically cadaver trained only.

And one more thing. If the story of Caylee cutting her feet on the bamboo was true, it might throw off the dog hits. They are tested with 3 ml of blood, that is what they must be able to hit on. If there was even a small amount of anyones blood in the backyard, they may have hit on that.

There are dogs that are trained to hit on very small amounts of blood and it ranges...so I am not certain where you are getting that spec from. Yes, it is true that old blood could be detected, but I am not sure if it would completely skew the decomp hits.

 

[gibby207]

Well, my girls aren't abused but have tons of bruises on their legs: They are 3 and falling all the time. My daughter has had a black eye before too, hitting the coffee table....She's a bit clutsy and is pigeon toed, and it was a nasty black eye. I wondered how the public viewed me too. But, if my daughter was missing for 1 minute I would call the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines (prolly Coast Guard too) to find her...

 

[not_my_kids]

Drug dogs are trained to detect drugs, search dogs are trained to detect a human scent, etc. On NG, homeland security says dogs are not trained to multitask. A cadaver dog hits on blood spilled after death. Not blood spilled when someone is alive.

Found more info.
My dog is trained for search and rescue, can I also teach him to do forensic evidence work?

Yes! Dogs are capable of understanding several disciplines at the same time. Potential problems are: dogs trained in disaster must be very clear and have a different alert for live and dead, occasionally dogs trained in both live and dead scent will alert and we are unable to determine which of the two they have alerted on. As the need for forensic evidence dogs increases we see more handlers who are training specialty dogs. They feel that a dog that has been imprinted on one type of scent is more accurate that a cross trained dog.
http://www.ilpwda.com/faqs.htm

I need to look harder...and not work on things at 3 a.m. lol

 

[passin_through]

lol Greta had a dog handler on too, her fella said the thing about blood, I believe.

 

[gibby207]

Yeah... I'm with Diane...what is that link? Hairdresser? 19 days? WTF?