Caylee Anthony Drowned In Family Pool Theory

[FlaMomTo5]

Forgive me if this is the wrong thread to post this but I am new. I was inspired to join websleuths because of Caylee Anthony. I have been picking apart the defense theory since the opening statement and I think I finally realize what it is that really bothers me. There are several things so please go with me for a minute. If we believe the dt, then we have to believe that in the "early morning hours" of June 16, 2008, Caylee got out alone and drowned. Here are some stumbling blocks for me.
Casey was on the phone until app. 3:15 a.m. According to Cindy, Caylee slept with Casey in Casey's bedroom. Cindy probably woke around say 6:30 maybe? Cindy left for work that morning at 7:15 a.m., and remembers Casey's door as closed. The door also had a doorknob cover on it as a childproofing measure. At 7:45 Casey apparently called her cell phone from the house phone and then checked her vm from the cell phone. From that point on she was either on her phone or the computer for most of the remainder of the morning (do not know if it was desktop or laptop). If Caylee wasn't in her bed when she woke up, she would have noticed.
Now, when Jose Baez questioned Yuri Melich on July 24, 2011 in court, JB asked YM what time he arrived at the house on July 16, 2008. Melich answered 4 a.m. and Baez remarked, and I'm paraphrasing, 'so in the early morning hours'. This leads me to assume the time frame which JB considers early morning hours.
Ok, so this leaves two times that Caylee could have escaped from the home unnoticed and drowned IF the ladder was up.
The first time was between the hours of 3:15 and 6:30 a.m. on June 16, 2008. It would have been dark outside still. So we have to believe that Caylee woke up, left Casey's room, opened and closed the bedroom door and snuck through the house to the sliding glass door. Now the Anthony's are really with it when it comes to their house, it seems. Caylee would then have to unlock and open the sliding glass door, go outside in the dark, alone, and then turn around and CLOSE THE DOOR behind her. If she hadn't done that, Cindy would have noticed it when she woke to go to work.
The second scenario is that Caylee got out AFTER Cindy left for work. This would have been a very tight time frame assuming Cindy left at exactly 7:15 and Casey woke at EXACTLY 7:45 am. That leaves a very short time for Caylee to wake, get out of the house, SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND HER (because remember, George and Casey searched the entire house before going outside according to DT, meaning the door wasn't obviously open)
Then after searching the entire house, George ran out back and Casey runs through a triple locked front door to search for a three year old little girl. A little girl who could not have opened the back gate alone. Also, is there an unlocking mechanism on the front of the gate? If not, how did Casey get into the backyard? And how did George get into the pool, drag Caylee to the side, climb out with her and arrive holding her in the forty seconds it took Casey to arrive out back. And don't even get me started about George, 911 and CPR. And wouldn't Caylee have been in her PJ's? Why dress her little body in clothing if she was as CM said "OBVIOUSLY DEAD".
So ultimately, there is no way that scenario is even possible let alone probable. I won't even touch the RK bs. Anyone have any thoughts? I just had to get it out so I could sleep tonight and you guys seem like you are totally informed and could have some great insight.

 

[Panda's eye]

If Caylee drowned in the pool on the morning of June 16th and George threw her away down the road ( NOT ).... then I have 2 questions :

Why did Cindy report, first that she came home from work on June 18th and found the pool ladder down and the backyard gate open? Stating that she just figured a neighbor decided " to take a swim ", then change her story to the this incident happening some other time?

If Caylee is drowned and DEAD on June 16th ....why would Casey need to borrow a shovel from a neighbor ( June 18th or 19th as reported by the neighbor ) to dig up bamboo shoots out of the yard so Caylee doesn't trip over them? The Baby is Dead......Caylee wouldn't be able to play ever again in the wonderful wonderland of " FUN " that Cindy and George had created for her in their backyard. so what was the urgency of removing tripping hazards for Caylee?

As usual the facts don't line up.....JMO

 

[LambChop]

The main thing I was left with after watching the vid is that Cindy is still wishing for the wild-ZG-goose-chase to continue, and she doesn't believe that Caylee drown in the pool, although she considers that to be a "risky" area at the home.

Go figger.

Funny she never mentioned the pool ladder, did she????

 

[LambChop]

Forgive me if this is the wrong thread to post this but I am new. I was inspired to join websleuths because of Caylee Anthony. I have been picking apart the defense theory since the opening statement and I think I finally realize what it is that really bothers me. There are several things so please go with me for a minute. If we believe the dt, then we have to believe that in the "early morning hours" of June 16, 2008, Caylee got out alone and drowned. Here are some stumbling blocks for me.
Casey was on the phone until app. 3:15 a.m. According to Cindy, Caylee slept with Casey in Casey's bedroom. Cindy probably woke around say 6:30 maybe? Cindy left for work that morning at 7:15 a.m., and remembers Casey's door as closed. The door also had a doorknob cover on it as a childproofing measure. At 7:45 Casey apparently called her cell phone from the house phone and then checked her vm from the cell phone. From that point on she was either on her phone or the computer for most of the remainder of the morning (do not know if it was desktop or laptop). If Caylee wasn't in her bed when she woke up, she would have noticed.
Now, when Jose Baez questioned Yuri Melich on July 24, 2011 in court, JB asked YM what time he arrived at the house on July 16, 2008. Melich answered 4 a.m. and Baez remarked, and I'm paraphrasing, 'so in the early morning hours'. This leads me to assume the time frame which JB considers early morning hours.
Ok, so this leaves two times that Caylee could have escaped from the home unnoticed and drowned IF the ladder was up.
The first time was between the hours of 3:15 and 6:30 a.m. on June 16, 2008. It would have been dark outside still. So we have to believe that Caylee woke up, left Casey's room, opened and closed the bedroom door and snuck through the house to the sliding glass door. Now the Anthony's are really with it when it comes to their house, it seems. Caylee would then have to unlock and open the sliding glass door, go outside in the dark, alone, and then turn around and CLOSE THE DOOR behind her. If she hadn't done that, Cindy would have noticed it when she woke to go to work.
The second scenario is that Caylee got out AFTER Cindy left for work. This would have been a very tight time frame assuming Cindy left at exactly 7:15 and Casey woke at EXACTLY 7:45 am. That leaves a very short time for Caylee to wake, get out of the house, SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND HER (because remember, George and Casey searched the entire house before going outside according to DT, meaning the door wasn't obviously open)
Then after searching the entire house, George ran out back and Casey runs through a triple locked front door to search for a three year old little girl. A little girl who could not have opened the back gate alone. Also, is there an unlocking mechanism on the front of the gate? If not, how did Casey get into the backyard? And how did George get into the pool, drag Caylee to the side, climb out with her and arrive holding her in the forty seconds it took Casey to arrive out back. And don't even get me started about George, 911 and CPR. And wouldn't Caylee have been in her PJ's? Why dress her little body in clothing if she was as CM said "OBVIOUSLY DEAD".
So ultimately, there is no way that scenario is even possible let alone probable. I won't even touch the RK bs. Anyone have any thoughts? I just had to get it out so I could sleep tonight and you guys seem like you are totally informed and could have some great insight.

WELCOME....excellent, excellent post. You are so right in everything. And if GA were so calculating and was worried about CA finding out what happened to Caylee why would he have continued to leave the ladder up so CA could find it. The ladder was put up deliberately and the gate left open for a reason and clearly not by the A's or GA would not have called the police about the missing gas cans. I think GA thought someone was getting into his backyard and stealing from his shed and that is why he reported it. I also can't believe that GA would not have considered that someone at sometime would have questioned "Where is Caylee Marie Anthony?" If GA were involved he would have called 911 but truly staged it to look like an accident to potect his daughter. jmo

 

[Sleuth5]

Forgive me if this is the wrong thread to post this but I am new. I was inspired to join websleuths because of Caylee Anthony. I have been picking apart the defense theory since the opening statement and I think I finally realize what it is that really bothers me. There are several things so please go with me for a minute. If we believe the dt, then we have to believe that in the "early morning hours" of June 16, 2008, Caylee got out alone and drowned. Here are some stumbling blocks for me.
Casey was on the phone until app. 3:15 a.m. According to Cindy, Caylee slept with Casey in Casey's bedroom. Cindy probably woke around say 6:30 maybe? Cindy left for work that morning at 7:15 a.m., and remembers Casey's door as closed. The door also had a doorknob cover on it as a childproofing measure. At 7:45 Casey apparently called her cell phone from the house phone and then checked her vm from the cell phone. From that point on she was either on her phone or the computer for most of the remainder of the morning (do not know if it was desktop or laptop). If Caylee wasn't in her bed when she woke up, she would have noticed.
Now, when Jose Baez questioned Yuri Melich on July 24, 2011 in court, JB asked YM what time he arrived at the house on July 16, 2008. Melich answered 4 a.m. and Baez remarked, and I'm paraphrasing, 'so in the early morning hours'. This leads me to assume the time frame which JB considers early morning hours.
Ok, so this leaves two times that Caylee could have escaped from the home unnoticed and drowned IF the ladder was up.
The first time was between the hours of 3:15 and 6:30 a.m. on June 16, 2008. It would have been dark outside still. So we have to believe that Caylee woke up, left Casey's room, opened and closed the bedroom door and snuck through the house to the sliding glass door. Now the Anthony's are really with it when it comes to their house, it seems. Caylee would then have to unlock and open the sliding glass door, go outside in the dark, alone, and then turn around and CLOSE THE DOOR behind her. If she hadn't done that, Cindy would have noticed it when she woke to go to work.
The second scenario is that Caylee got out AFTER Cindy left for work. This would have been a very tight time frame assuming Cindy left at exactly 7:15 and Casey woke at EXACTLY 7:45 am. That leaves a very short time for Caylee to wake, get out of the house, SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND HER (because remember, George and Casey searched the entire house before going outside according to DT, meaning the door wasn't obviously open)
Then after searching the entire house, George ran out back and Casey runs through a triple locked front door to search for a three year old little girl. A little girl who could not have opened the back gate alone. Also, is there an unlocking mechanism on the front of the gate? If not, how did Casey get into the backyard? And how did George get into the pool, drag Caylee to the side, climb out with her and arrive holding her in the forty seconds it took Casey to arrive out back. And don't even get me started about George, 911 and CPR. And wouldn't Caylee have been in her PJ's? Why dress her little body in clothing if she was as CM said "OBVIOUSLY DEAD".
So ultimately, there is no way that scenario is even possible let alone probable. I won't even touch the RK bs. Anyone have any thoughts? I just had to get it out so I could sleep tonight and you guys seem like you are totally informed and could have some great insight.

:welcome: You have a lot of company regarding the problems with the Defense "Theory."

:cow:

 

[Sleuth5]

I can't say regarding CA. She exhibits such classic symptoms of narcissism that for her, removing the pool might represent acknowledging external criticism, etc. For GA, on the other hand, I don't believe anything would stop him from taking that pool down if he really believed Caylee had drowned in there.

Just :cow:

 

[Sleuth5]

If Caylee drowned in the pool on the morning of June 16th and George threw her away down the road ( NOT ).... then I have 2 questions :

Why did Cindy report, first that she came home from work on June 18th and found the pool ladder down and the backyard gate open? Stating that she just figured a neighbor decided " to take a swim ", then change her story to the this incident happening some other time?

If Caylee is drowned and DEAD on June 16th ....why would Casey need to borrow a shovel from a neighbor ( June 18th or 19th as reported by the neighbor ) to dig up bamboo shoots out of the yard so Caylee doesn't trip over them? The Baby is Dead......Caylee wouldn't be able to play ever again in the wonderful wonderland of " FUN " that Cindy and George had created for her in their backyard. so what was the urgency of removing tripping hazards for Caylee?

As usual the facts don't line up.....JMO

BBM

This is spot-on. The DT cannot refute that and there's no way to work it into their "theory".

:cow:

 

[Donjeta]

Are we surprised that another lie has been told by an Anthony ?

It appears there are enough lies to go around but I didn't see this one as a lie. Just a bit of semantics about whether "went in first" means "went up the ladder first" or "went in the water first".

 

[Harmony 2]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

 

[Jstc4caylee]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

All I can figure is..Because to add to the confusion : They "GA & CA " contend that they don't admit to the George cover up, but that she drowned, and Casey alone covered it up. :waitasec:

 

[strach304]

If Caylee drowned in the pool on the morning of June 16th and George threw her away down the road ( NOT ).... then I have 2 questions :

Why did Cindy report, first that she came home from work on June 18th and found the pool ladder down and the backyard gate open? Stating that she just figured a neighbor decided " to take a swim ", then change her story to the this incident happening some other time?

If Caylee is drowned and DEAD on June 16th ....why would Casey need to borrow a shovel from a neighbor ( June 18th or 19th as reported by the neighbor ) to dig up bamboo shoots out of the yard so Caylee doesn't trip over them? The Baby is Dead......Caylee wouldn't be able to play ever again in the wonderful wonderland of " FUN " that Cindy and George had created for her in their backyard. so what was the urgency of removing tripping hazards for Caylee?

As usual the facts don't line up.....JMO

Clearly GA had at least 5 shovels hanging in the shed that we saw. Obviously ICA did not have access to them because she had TL bust the lock to get the gas cans.

The huge gorilla in the room for me is the early evening timeline and I believe the prosecution has proven that. Casey is back at the house after telling GA they will be spending the night with Zanny. Even if you don't believe GA Cindy said Casey told her the same thing after finding out she could not babysit that night. We know TL did not allow Caylee for sleepovers yet Casey claimed they would be at Zanny's that night. What did she plan on doing with Caylee because we know what time she showed up at TL's.

 

[Donjeta]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

I suppose if you're dumb enough to try and cover up an accident with something that could get you the death penalty you might be dumb enough to forget about the ladder.

 

[strach304]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

I am very on board with the many posters here who stated early on that they thought Casey tried to stage an accidental drowning. Especially after seeing Cindy continuously change the date of when she noticed the ladder up and gate open. I recall when Greta asked about that she was using the day of the gas can incident to recollect the date as closely as she could. Perhaps Casey thought her parents would protect her if she could convince them it was their negligence that contributed to Caylee's demise. An autopsy that early on would prove she didn't die due to a drowning. I'm sure Casey was in a panic and her thoughts all over the place.

 

[com n sense]

What makes this so unbelievable to me is you have not one, but 2 adults that decide in a matter of seconds, not to call 911, not to try cpr & not to scream in horror so loud a neighbour would hear. We have 2 that agree with in seconds to cover this accident up & not say mum to anyone.
Who would make an accident look like a murder? Some say Casey would. I don't believe she would, but lets say that's exactly what she did. She may plan it that way but I can't believe George did the same thing.
I believe the night of the 15th when texting Tony all night long & slept a few hours only to get up again & start texting again, I believe she was either on a high from just doing her first kill or she was on a high planning to go through with it.

Forgot to add.... if she hid this accident because she as afraid of going to jail for neglect then why wasn't she afraid of going to jail for cheque fraud? She hid it because it was a murder & she could never admit to where the body was. They would be able to tell just how Caylee died. She could never confess this was accidental because the body showed other wise.
She did not put the duct tape on to make it look like a kidnapping. Lee said wayyyy back that when he told her the police would want her to take them to Caylee she had a look of OH SHOOT on her face, though he did not admit that on the stand. THAT is when she made up the kidnapping story & not before. Therewould be no reason to tape Caylee's face to stop purging fluids as the duct tape would never stick. There is only one reason she did it, to kill....

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

Everyone grieves in their own way and that's their right, we certainly can't dictate how they should show their grief. IMO when someone in the family dies you pull up your boot straps and go on...life goes on...and people live in the same houses and come to terms with it. As I type that I see that it seems harsh, I don't mean it as harsh, it's just a fact of life that everyone is different. You might cry until you are dehydrated, I cry over movies and books but I'm not a crier at real life.

That being said, I believe that Caylee drowned in the pool...scenario Casey promised her she could go swimming, put up the ladder and then got sidetracked by the computer and kept saying "wait"...Caylee got tired of waiting and got out the door, climbed the ladder and fell or jumped in. Who knows how long she'd been in the water before Casey realized it was too quiet and 'where was Caylee'. Knew there was no way 911 would do any good and after all, her mother had just told her for the umpteenth time that she was an "unfit mother", the **** was going to hit the fan so she put Caylee in the trunk and left, panicked and trying to figure out what to do. Well, we know what she did...bad bad choices by an irresponsible immature girl. Can't say 'young woman', she was far from mature and still is.

Oh, duct tape? Dr G is wrong, there is a reason for duct tape after the fact.
Lets say that the following day Casey decided she needed to do something with Caylee's body, opened the trunk and by that time there were bugs and flies crawling . . . . do I need to be graphic about where?? This is MY theory only, IMO this is what happened. Again IMO, not DP but instead a nice LONG prison sentence for manslaughter by child abuse. By then she will be too old to bear more children and too late for Hot Body Contests. :floorlaugh::great:

I have thought this is exactly what happened for a long time now. About the pool, the ladder, ICA getting distracted, the duct tape, everything. I am not 100% sure and don't think we will ever know for sure, but to me this seems the most plausible that it could have happened.

The only thing I'm not sure about is the chloroform, but I really don't believe ICA went to all the trouble to make it. Yes, she looked it up for some reason, but it's relatively complicated to make and I don't think she actually made any...much easier to buy some Benadryl or cough medicine, ect...

 

[JBounds]

Color me confused... If an accident occurs and there is a subsequent cover-up of the accident then why do you leave a ladder up and a gate open to draw attention to the accident that you are trying to cover up? :waitasec:

Because she's a clumsy liar and a clumsy cover up artist.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm in the minority again. The reason I voted 'no' is because if they had taken the pool down, people would have asked why they did so. They couldn't let on that they, the perfect people, had let Caylee drown under their own noses as they are all one anyway.

 

[curiositycat]

I voted no and here is why:

According to an interview between GVS and Prior LA Detective Mark Fuhrman there is an interesting timeline as has to do with the pool. CA and ICA, according to CA in a interview, swam in the pool on the evening of June 15th, 2008. The ladder to the pool was taken down and put up. The last time GA saw ICA and Caylee was at 12:50 in the afternoon on the 16th. GA leaves for work at around 2:30. At approximately 3PM there are a flurry of calls to GA, six in fact. Then a flurry, six, to CA. I wonder if ICA didn't have plans for that night and wanted them to babysit Caylee. AL didn't want Caylee sleeping over at the apt. I think in her frustration and desire to be free sometime that day she did away with Caylee, in a rage. We have seen her rages in jailhouse tapes.

The ladder was seen up at the pool, and the gate was open on June 17th. I believe Caylee was dead at that time, at the hands of her mother, not by drowning in the pool.The reason I believe that is that if ICA went back to the house with Caylee, and started calling GA at 3PM that would have to mean that ICA went back to the house, after GA left, put Caylee's swimsuit on her, and she drowned in a period of less then 30 mins.

I believe that on the 17th ICA considered putting Caylee's dead body in the pool, and saying she drowned. In her panic she leaves the ladder up and the gate opened. For some reason she panicked and put Caylee's body in the playhouse instead, which is why the cadaver dogs hit on the playhouse.

On the 18th of June the neighbor said that ICA comes and borrows a shovel, her dad's sheds were locked and she couldn't get one of his. He also stated that ICA "backed her car up to the garage." I believe it was then she put Caylee's body in the trunk once again.

I do not believe Caylee, died in the pool. IMHO Casey considered making it look that way on the 17th.

Here is the link to the GVS/Furhman interview from August of 2008 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html

As always jmho

 

[JBounds]

This is probably a crazy question but does anyone know or can one find out if it was raining on June 16 & 17, 2008 in Orlando? It's always raining there. I'm just curious if it was during their claims.

 

[panthera]

I am very on board with the many posters here who stated early on that they thought Casey tried to stage an accidental drowning. Especially after seeing Cindy continuously change the date of when she noticed the ladder up and gate open. I recall when Greta asked about that she was using the day of the gas can incident to recollect the date as closely as she could. Perhaps Casey thought her parents would protect her if she could convince them it was their negligence that contributed to Caylee's demise. An autopsy that early on would prove she didn't die due to a drowning. I'm sure Casey was in a panic and her thoughts all over the place.

BBM

I also recall CA not being exactly sure what day she found the pool ladder up when she returned home, yet now she suddenly realizes it was June 16. Therefore I seriously doubt the pool ladder was actually left up on June 16 as I do not believe Caylee even had an opportunity to go swimming that day. Once GA left for work, Casey was free to enact her plan to be with TL without the burden of having to find someone to care for Caylee. It is Casey's behavior within just a few hours after this alleged accidental drowning that speaks volumes to disprove it.

MOO