Caylee Anthony Missing 2 Year Old- General Discussion #27

[CheckDaFacts]

YES I AGREE... and cindy was telling the truth without smoke rings, in my opinion, in the 911 calls....

If you think about, what we do know so far one of the issue's is June15th Father's day and now the alleged last sighting of Caylee. Which had to be brought to Cindy by LE. The original stated date of Caylee missing was between Jun 7th/9th and June 9th is still on all those flyer's. Which by the way are still being handed out, minus any and all pertinent info regarding the last person Caylee was seen with, let alone; there is no info even on a veh description?

The flyer's were printed up en-mass, understood but why not some form of a sticker correction to be applied to the current flyer's to correct such as grave error? It's easy enough. Seems Cindy is not interested in putting ANY focus, what so ever on the alleged sitter/nanny=zaney=crazy. Why? Would any of you have not pleaded for a way to correct this gross error? This is a big time line difference. Were not talking a day, were talking an addl. week. Things that seem of little importance, often slip by but it bothers me. This was a simple and important error to correct, the dates on the flier are now a flat out lie. What does LE print say?

We have been going in circle's, not our fault were working with so many lies and a big time span void for Caylee.

The reason I bring this up? There is something about Cindy that really gets to me and its more than her rants! She does not sit right with me. Wonder how many employee's at the nursing center on Jun 15th verified Cindy and Caylee's presence? The video shot of Caylee is edited/shortened, or so it appears and it was shot by Cindy. I still think Casey may have been at the nursing center also on that day, if it actually happened. OK I admit it, I have my own suspicions and these are my opinions.

My question also would go to, how Caylee ended up allegedly back at Cindy's that night and was Casey really with her through the 16th? How did Caylee show up and leave? LE having to bring the date change to Cindy and them mentioning the sign in register is what we heard and the fact its now sealed with Cindy testifying to the date change.

Making statements to LE via Cindy and Casey seems to be filled with nothing but mis-truths and flat out lies of mis-direction. Why should Cindy not go along with what ever LE told her, if she is covering something else? Maybe far fetched but I have not seen or read any documented evidence supporting Jun 15th by LE that I can recall. If there is and someone has a statement I'm unaware of by LE regarding this topic, please link or present an alternate debate. Thank yoy.:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

poi had "drama" with her mama for "nine days" leading up to her leaving the family home...the place her little girl had her bed, her life, her toys, her pool, her playhouse and sandbox and unlimited love and babysitting from her grandparents.... she is in and out during the drama and posting to friends on myspace documenting the drama...then POOF.. after father's day visit she is GONE. Not a trace since...unless weight can truly be applied to the Jesse call.. which was made from the poi to Jesse.... (ruse?)

We do not know for a fact this post was about Cindy! The nine day drama thing...may not be about her at all. I think this was taken out of context and we shouldn't really jump to that conclusion.

 

[nursebeeme]

We need to stay the hell away from the Jesse conversation and speculation as to any involvement here. We have already been warned once!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67975

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67992

bull pucky! There is nothing slanderous being said here. It is case introspection... imhoo

 

[SuziQ]

And... again, out of convenience, if Casey needed a babysitter, she would have dumped Caylee off on Cindy. She didn't have a problem dumping her off on several of her friends over the last couple of years. According to friends, several have said they watched Caylee, yet no one still, that we're aware of, has come forward to say they watched Caylee during this last month.

I still say there was a major blow-up between Casey and Cindy just prior to her leaving.

There very well may have been. If there wasn't, it would really explain why Cindy was puzzled over Casey moving out without warning. Which is interesting since Cindy is trying to say the moving out was sorta, kinda, planned.

 

[RR0004]

It could be, but then it would mean she had to undress Caylee after her body began to decay. So I highly doubt it.

How far into decomposition (oh...and lets not resurrect that lovely bedtime story from last night...I barely slept a wink!!) would the body need to be in order to elicit a response?

 

[Leila]

YES I AGREE... and cindy was telling the truth without smoke rings, in my opinion, in the 911 calls....

If you put together what Cindy wrote on her MySpace blog on July 3rd, with the three 911 calls................I think those are the only honest statements we've heard from Cindy.

In the July 3rd blog, Cindy writes that her daughter left without warning and now won't allow her to see her granddaughter. In the first two 911 calls, Cindy is still under the impression that Casey is intentionally withholding Caylee from her out of spite. It's only in the 3rd 911 call that Cindy is suddenly terrified! Between the 2nd and 3rd 911 calls, Cindy came to understand that Casey wasn't just withholing Caylee from her............Caylee was missing.

 

[DianeB]

If things are being said that could be perceived by others as libel or somehow being drug through the mud for no reason other than association...I guess it would be true. However, this is specific and I don't think we should question it...we should just respect that we no longer can discuss this person other than in dealing with the facts.

That's not a problem. The facts are that he's mentioned in the arrest affidavit telling LE about a phone call he received from Casey on June 25th, and he subsequently spoke to both LE and a news station about an earlier phone call he himself made on the 24th, in which he says he heard Caylee in the background.

If Caylee was not seen by anyone after June 16th, where was that table she was climbing on a week later when Jesse heard her?

 

[unravel]

The above in bold is what concerns me greatly. Casey just suddenly up and leaves. It appears that happened on the 16th. I really feel the reason Casey left is because Caylee was dead and she could not explain away Caylee's absence if she was still living in the home.

I know I was trying to post this last night, but I can't remember if I got around to it before my VM crashed. I completely buy the fact that Caylee was alive when she left that house. I think Cindy called Casey out on her behavior (relating to Caylee somehow), there was an argument, Casey grabbed Caylee and they left. Cindy doesn't want her business all up in the news, and "Mini-vacation. they were bonding" sounds so much better than "She left after we had a fight". Also opens the door to less questions.

I think Caylee was dead within 24 hours, and her murder was intentional. Otherwise, we'd be seeing some remorse. That first phone call home? Says. It. ALL.

Christina: If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die, if anything happens to-
Casey: Oh well.
Christina: that baby.
Casey: Oh. My. God. Calling you guys? Waste, huge waste.
The fact that she was partying in Caylee's absence, and some of the people she knew, were shocked to find out she had a kid? Says some more.

It was either resentment/pent up anger at her mother (or at Caylee for "ruining her life", for "stealing her show", for "replacing her") and an intent to inflict pain ("They'll be sorry"), or an attempt to keep life going as it had been ("They'll all feel soooo sorry for me").

And what are we seeing now? Life going as it had been. Cindy's bending over to make excuses for her daughter, lashing out at those who question Casey's behavior, acting like everything's just peachy in their world. ETA: With the exception of her being behind bars. But given her demeanor and her lies, IMO, she's clinging to the delusion that she'll be going home soon. She thinks she's pulled this off.

 

[RR0004]

bull pucky! There is nothing slanderous being said here. It is case introspection... imhoo

Yeah, well we may not like it but I don't want my g-d to strike me down!!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Check...The Detective made it clear on the stand that they did have proof Caylee was at that nursing center on June 15th. So I guess I don't understand what you are asking?

 

[bug050608]

Think it's saying that Caylee and "the nanny" went to the beach for the weekend..?

The police report (public record): "He called me before I could call him. He mentioned that the defendant is a habitual liar. He told me that on June 25th, he received a call from the defendant who was trying to cheer him up over a recent job loss. She told him she was free this weekend if he wanted to get together. They used to date. She said that Caylee was with the "nanny" and they had gone to the beach for the weekend. After learning of this incident, he immediately called me to let me know this and now it contradicted with what the defendant had been telling everyone."

i cant really explain it. its just something doesnt just accept this puzzle piece - it seems manufactured in a way.... why did he take it upon himself, at this moment as he was leaving his job, to be a hero and correct the public record? if he hadn't spoken to casey in quite some time, why was she calling him out the blue to console him about his job? and if he thinks that she is a habitual liar, why did he go to the beach with her that weekend? i dont know. i used to think, if anything, jesse just adored her and would do anything she asked; it's all just so...convenient though. the paternity test, the DNA evidence, the testimonial evidence. i don't know.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

bull pucky! There is nothing slanderous being said here. It is case introspection... imhoo

OK...you go right ahead...but we have been warned! I won't be joining you in that discussion at all!!

 

[liltigress]

Here is one article I found and it proves to be quite useful. The correct time frame may only come from the trainers of the particular dogs that were used at the Anthony home and car. I'm seeing that it depends on how they were trained, and in what time frame. Interesting though.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...es-835047.html

One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

 

[nursebeeme]

If things are being said that could be perceived by others as libel or somehow being drug through the mud for no reason other than association...I guess it would be true. However, this is specific and I don't think we should question it...we should just respect that we no longer can discuss this person other than in dealing with the facts.

did tricia state that we could not discuss this person? He did in fact make a statement to le. He is a component in this case. If we cannot discuss this person Tricia, I think, would have posted a sticky to that effect? correct me if I am wrong.. but there are so many new posters that if this is the case....a sticky is for sure needed!

 

[Leila]

The problem is, no one has reported seeing Caylee since the 16th. If Caylee was alive after the 16th, where was she until the 24th? Jesse's statement is based on what he heard not what he saw. Hearing things over the phone is much different than seeing. There was a case a few years back where 911 got a call and all they could hear was what appeared to be a murder happening in the background. Officers went out and it was determined to be a movie playing on the tv. Somehow the phone was knocked around and auto called 911.

Jesse could be mistaken about the date. Yes, he may have talked with Casey on the 24th, but maybe it was another, previous, call that he heard Caylee in the background.

 

[DianeB]

Jesse could be mistaken about the date. Yes, he may have talked with Casey on the 24th, but maybe it was another, previous, call that he heard Caylee in the background.

Also possible. We don't know how often he and Casey spoke.

 

[RR0004]

did tricia state that we could not discuss this person? He did in fact make a statement to le. He is a component in this case. If we cannot discuss this person Tricia, I think, would have posted a sticky to that effect? correct me if I am wrong.. but there are so many new posters that if this is the case....a sticky is for sure needed!

I thought there WAS a sticky...

Oh, and liltigress...thanks...more enjoyable bedtime reading! (seriously, thanks!)

 

[babycat]

I know I was trying to post this last night, but I can't remember if I got around to it before my VM crashed. I completely buy the fact that Caylee was alive when she left that house. I think Cindy called Casey out on her behavior (relating to Caylee somehow), there was an argument, Casey grabbed Caylee and they left. Cindy doesn't want her business all up in the news, and "Mini-vacation. they were bonding" sounds so much better than "She left after we had a fight". Also opens the door to less questions.

I think Caylee was dead within 24 hours, and her murder was intentional. Otherwise, we'd be seeing some remorse. That first phone call home? Says. It. ALL.

Christina: If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die, if anything happens to-
Casey: Oh well.
Christina: that baby.
Casey: Oh. My. God. Calling you guys? Waste, huge waste.
The fact that she was partying in Caylee's absence, and some of the people she knew, were shocked to find out she had a kid? Says some more.

It was either resentment/pent up anger at her mother (or at Caylee for "ruining her life", for "stealing her show", for "replacing her") and an intent to inflict pain ("They'll be sorry"), or an attempt to keep life going as it had been ("They'll all feel soooo sorry for me").

And what are we seeing now? Life going as it had been. Cindy's bending over to make excuses for her daughter, lashing out at those who question Casey's behavior, acting like everything's just peachy in their world. ETA: With the exception of her being behind bars. But given her demeanor and her lies, IMO, she's clinging to the delusion that she'll be going home soon. She thinks she's pulled this off.

Not that it matters, but I always thought it was mis-transcribed-

I don't hear "Oh well" at all- I hear "Oh- WHOA." then "Oh. My. God. Calling you guys?"

But either way, it's a sh*tty statement, if you ask me

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I know I was trying to post this last night, but I can't remember if I got around to it before my VM crashed. I completely buy the fact that Caylee was alive when she left that house. I think Cindy called Casey out on her behavior (relating to Caylee somehow), there was an argument, Casey grabbed Caylee and they left. Cindy doesn't want her business all up in the news, and "Mini-vacation. they were bonding" sounds so much better than "She left after we had a fight". Also opens the door to less questions.

I think Caylee was dead within 24 hours, and her murder was intentional. Otherwise, we'd be seeing some remorse. That first phone call home? Says. It. ALL.

Christina: If anything happens to Caylee, Casey, I'll die. Do you understand? I'll die, if anything happens to-
Casey: Oh well.
Christina: that baby.
Casey: Oh. My. God. Calling you guys? Waste, huge waste.
The fact that she was partying in Caylee's absence, and some of the people she knew, were shocked to find out she had a kid? Says some more.

It was either resentment/pent up anger at her mother (or at Caylee for "ruining her life", for "stealing her show", for "replacing her") and an intent to inflict pain ("They'll be sorry"), or an attempt to keep life going as it had been ("They'll all feel soooo sorry for me").

And what are we seeing now? Life going as it had been. Cindy's bending over to make excuses for her daughter, lashing out at those who question Casey's behavior, acting like everything's just peachy in their world. ETA: With the exception of her being behind bars. But given her demeanor and her lies, IMO, she's clinging to the delusion that she'll be going home soon. She thinks she's pulled this off.

The oh well is not suppose to be there, its suppose to be a "wow" or but definitly not oh well

 

[nursebeeme]

We do not know for a fact this post was about Cindy! The nine day drama thing...may not be about her at all. I think this was taken out of context and we shouldn't really jump to that conclusion.

gotta find that myspace post...anyone??? also, it is hard to put ANY myspace post into any kind of context. So I guess they are all out of context.