Caylee's Bruises

[gardenhart]

Re bolded by me: This is another awfully difficult subject to address, let alone try to sort out, because I believe beyond any doubt that Cindy adored, loved, treasured, and took care of Caylee's every need. In short, Cindy accepted full responsibility for Caylee's well-being except for making sure that Caylee's caregiver, KC, was a fit and reliable woman.

Cindy knew KC had a volatile temper, she knew KC was a liar, and a thief, and a "sociopath," and she knew Casey didn't want to accept responsibility for Caylee. Could there be a worse candidate to knowingly entrust with a toddler's daily care--other than a convicted murderer or pedophile?

Cindy regarded herself, correctly, as being "in charge" of Caylee's wellbeing, and yet she knew all of KC's shortcomings. She knew KC lied about working, she knew KC was so broke that she needed to steal $4,000, and yet, Cindy chose to believe for almost 2 years, that KC had actually employed a suitable "nanny" who looked after Caylee while KC wasn't working?

Given all of that, and given Cindy's very assertive personality, it is inconceivable that neither she nor George bothered to follow KC now and then, to make certain KC was telling the truth--which they knew she rarely did--so they could be sure that Caylee was safe and secure.

I will never understand why Cindy didn't feel any need to do that. For that matter, knowing what I do about Cindy, I cannot conceive of her not insisting on meeting "the nanny" early on. It just doesn't "jive" with her personality to me, let alone her very real commitment to Caylee.

I guess, to sum it all up, I dunno. I dunno. I wish someone with expertise and knowledge could explain it to all of us.

ETA: I have no thoughts about whether or not there's anything significant in those photos, and like many others here, my children--especially my son--was a walking, talking magnet for bruises, bumps and cuts, when he was young. I used to tear my hair out. LOL

It's been my experience than many people who spoil their children and are smothering parents also tend to ignore them a lot - to be distant and uninvolved. Am I making sense? Like the child isn't really a person to them. Or perhaps it's easier to just give the child what they want all the time to shut them up.

At any rate, I suspect that Cindy really didn't adore, treasure or take care of Caylee's every need. It certainly looks like she resented having the child dumped on her so much. But more than that, I suspect that while she may have paid the bills for Caylee, that the poor baby didn't get any real, effective, loving attention from either her mother or her grandmother.

I hope I'm wrong, but it makes the lack of action both to ensure that Casey was being truthful and responsible and when Caylee disappeared make more sense.

 

[DotsEyes]

Slightly O/T, but yesterday my dogs got out of the yard. As soon as it was determined that they had skeedaddled, I got a phone call (out of state at the time) and immediately headed for home. 4 adults were already driving seperate cars searching for them and had been for 45 minutes before they called me. Local police had been notified in case they saw the dogs somewhere and their disappearance and description was on a local community news web site. When I got home 2 hours later, they were still looking and we joined with 2 more cars. We were all sick with worry.

An angel found them and locked them up safely, then called the number on the collar. They are home, but I am mad at them both.

Caylee is missing for 31 days and mommy doesn't mention it? Hog freaking wash.

While I was heading home and then driving and calling out their names, I thought of Caylee and wondered how anyone could be so nonchalant about a child missing when we were all sick over DOGS! It just hammered home that KC killed Caylee without a speck of remorse, worry, fear or guilt. She is unnatural.

 

[LCoastMom]

Well, in my line of work, bruises on knees, shins, elbows, hands and forearms from children are quite common. Bumps on the forehead, scratches on the face, are also common. But if they are prolonged, over months, etc., that is when you need to be concerned.
I would say the under arm is not a common place to get a bruise as a child. I mean, it isn't out of the realm of possibility (I have seen a child break her rotator cuff by slipping in a grocery cart and catching herself under her arm), but it is rare(er).

When my oldest and very beloved dd was a toddler, she fell at home against my coffee table. She busted her top lip open. Just as it started looking normal again, she fell against a big toy box and hit the same spot at day care. I had worked at that day care center, with the very same person who was caring for her, so I knew for sure she hadn't been hit.

The next time my mom watched my dd it had been over 2 weeks since the first accident, the second one was going down but still quite obvious. My own mother questioned if she had been hit and didn't really sound like she believed my answers; that day she fell into a piano stool at my mom's house. Yup, same spot. Big fat lip all over again. My mom later apologized, in my 20/20 and more mature hind sight I probably should have been glad my mom loved my daughter enough to want to protect her. I was to a point, but I was also insulted. My child was never hit in the face or in anger, or to do harm. She did get the very occasional pop on the bottom.

Point being, toddlers take spills. Toddlers get bruises. George and Cindy have testified they were the ones who provided most of Caylee's care. While Cindy was willing to over look her virgin daughter's obvious weight gain and baby bump, I don't think they would have over looked Caylee being beaten. That said, I wish Cindy could have been seeing Caylee through my eyes the day she spent with GGpa. The Caylee I see in those vids and pix is a different child than all the rest of the vids we've seen. If we have figured correctly Caylee had been in Casey's primary care, out of the A's house for one week, since 6-9. I think Caylee had a he!! of a week with only her mother to care for her. I also think the week prior to 6-16 has as much to do with Caylee's demise as the fight between KC and Cindy on 6-15.

Off topic for anyone else who hadn't yet seen the full frontal of KC at her Uncle's wedding... this is the girl who CA still believed to be a virgin. All I can say is a mother's love is truly blind. http://media.photobucket.com/image/... Anthony case/Anthony-Caseypregnant.jpg?o=499

 

[LCoastMom]

Slightly O/T, but yesterday my dogs got out of the yard. As soon as it was determined that they had skeedaddled, I got a phone call (out of state at the time) and immediately headed for home. 4 adults were already driving seperate cars searching for them and had been for 45 minutes before they called me. Local police had been notified in case they saw the dogs somewhere and their disappearance and description was on a local community news web site. When I got home 2 hours later, they were still looking and we joined with 2 more cars. We were all sick with worry.

An angel found them and locked them up safely, then called the number on the collar. They are home, but I am mad at them both.

Caylee is missing for 31 days and mommy doesn't mention it? Hog freaking wash.

While I was heading home and then driving and calling out their names, I thought of Caylee and wondered how anyone could be so nonchalant about a child missing when we were all sick over DOGS! It just hammered home that KC killed Caylee without a speck of remorse, worry, fear or guilt. She is unnatural.

The only people missing Caylee didn't know she was missing, KC knew precisely where her beautiful baby was and she was making up for lost time.

She makes me sick.............

 

[LCoastMom]

Inmate visitor log 1/9/2009 ???? Caylee's Bruises??? Could there be a connection?
Inmate visitor log shows on 1/9/2009 Casey had 2 visitors from 4:41pm-5:04pm. They were Williams Procknow and Dawn Murray. The reason for the visit is listed as "interview". No attorney present.Visitor log: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation Log Anthony.pdf

I thought the case was closed by the DCS why would they visit Casey at the jail and why would Baez allow that visit? I have not seen an update regarding the visit. Has anyone heard anything?

hhmmmm interesting, it's possible finding Caylee would have reopened the case. Between getting an official ID on Caylee 1/9 would have given them just the right amount of time to get there papers in order, dot their Ts and cross their I's. KC wouldn't have had to say anything to them, for them to let her know what was happening in the case. Or for them to serve her with some sort of paperwork.

She thought she had snowballed them in the home visit, remember she saw them at the A's house without JB being present IIRC. I don't know how child abuse cases work from this stand point, if they can speak to her without the benefit of her atty or why they didn't take their case directly to JB. (or maybe they did and he gave them permission to speak with her.) IDK???

 

[kageykaren]

Does it make anyone else wonder if there is a dual investigation going on?

 

[Boston]

Abuse can take so very many forms and all of it is not physical. I believe that Caylee was abused and that she was afraid of her mother. Casey was diabolical, to borrow a word from Jesse-she had more sides than anyone even realized, and unfortunately for poor little Caylee, one of those sides was a monster that Caylee was very likely afraid and aprehensive around when they were left alone.

What I wonder in my deepest heart is what did Caylee TELL Cindy that made her so violent that she CHOKED Casey? She knew Casey was a thief and a liar and had put up with THAT behavior for years. I feel certain that Caylee was beginning to TELL her things, and those things were the subject of their "fight" that night before she yanked Caylee out of the home forever. Of course we will never know, because Cindy and Casey will go on lying forever, but I have been wondering if she may have told Cindy something about the trunk or about some man or something else that sent Cindy into a fit of rage at her daughter. I doubt it was over a theft...I am sure there was something more that is being left unsaid and I KNOW that Cindy and Casey are both well aware of what THAT is...

I agree.....I don't think that Casey woke up one day & decided to kill her daughter out of the clear blue sky.

I think she resented he greatly.

All the claims that "Casey was a wonderful mother" are probably true but only when there were other people around.

Casey is a great actress & I'm sure she played the " Loving Mother " role to the hilt but when Casey & Caylee were behind closed doors I think is was another story all together.

I can easily visualize Casey "blaming" Caylee for everything that went wrong in her life.

 

[mimimama5]

Does it make anyone else wonder if there is a dual investigation going on?

It does now! I'm sure if Dept. of Children and Families visited her in jail it wasn't a social call. Those poor people are so overworked and underpaid for what they do!:furious: I hope they also throw the book at her, no wiggle room if enough charges are thrown her way!!!:gavel: