Cell Phone Activity Discussion Thread #2

[askfornina]

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LOL this is like the merry go round that never stops.

Why is it implied that the call came from the loaner phone? Two reasons why I don't think this is the case:

a) JP said the call came from DB's phone. I took that to mean DB's actual phone. Let's remember, assuming we are taking everything at face value, that we were told that LE told DB this (that the call came from DB's phone) and DB said that wasn't possible because they were restricted/broken.

b) There is no reason to think the loaner phone didn't have service. And we were told that the call didn't go through due to it's restricted status. The loaner phone wasn't on any restricted status, it was a seperate account (grandpa).

So the question remains, why would DB attempt to make an outgoing call to MW on her phone when her phone didn't work (restricted)? The loaner phone should of had service, or else why was she transferring contacts to it? Is there any evidence that we know that tells us the plan was to transfer cell service to that phone?

hey cityslick, please see my post to you in this thread, post #521

ETA: here is a quote from DB's fathers post on FB.

Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her.

i don't know if her father has any first hand knowledge that she actually DID transfer the service, but that seems like it was the plan.

 

[cityslick]

Because she was drunk and forgot.

3 different times (11:57 call and the two vm attempts)?

 

[cityslick]

i would like to know how you have concluded that the loaner phone was working. thanks cityslick

Nina, I don't know 100%, but my thought was that DB needed some sort of cell line for communication/emergencies, thus the reason why she was given a phone. Plus, I haven't seen anyone (family or otherwise) state the goal was to have Verizon transfer service. So, taken that point plus the action of transferring contacts let me to believe it had service?

Is it possible it was one of those pay as you use cellphones (the loaner phone)?

 

[cityslick]

hey cityslick, please see my post to you in this thread, post #521

ETA: here is a quote from DB's fathers post on FB.



i don't know if her father has any first hand knowledge that she actually DID transfer the service, but that seems like it was the plan.

Ok, so he's confirming that she actually did transfer the service? I didn't know that.

 

[askfornina]

Ok, so he's confirming that she actually did transfer the service? I didn't know that.

yes, a few people have seemed to skip that portion of the quote, lol. but it seems that was the case. like i said, i don't know if her father has any first hand knowledge that she actually DID transfer it, i think we would have to hear that from DB or LE.

 

[cityslick]

yes, a few people have seemed to skip that portion of the quote, lol. but it seems that was the case. like i said, i don't know if her father has any first hand knowledge that she actually DID transfer it, i think we would have to hear that from DB or LE.

This quote:

When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.

gives the impression that the loaner phone wasn't stolen though. So, she made a call on the loaner phone and it didn't get stolen? I'm confused.

 

[askfornina]

This quote:

When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.

gives the impression that the loaner phone wasn't stolen though. So, she made a call on the loaner phone and it didn't get stolen? I'm confused.

oh my, my head hurts. LOL.

all the information we have says that DB's personal, broken cell phone, JI's personal cell phone, and the loaner phone were stolen.

the impression i got from that quote is:

When she went home later that night she had the loaner phone and her broken, personal cellphone out. she started copying numbers one by one from her personal, broken cell phone into the phone she got from her Grandpa. (the loaner phone) She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.

clear as mud?

ETA: what is unclear right now, is if the service was actually transferred from DB's personal phone to the loaner phone. DB's father says it was, but we do not know if he has any first hand knowledge of that.

if it was transferred, the intruder would have been using the loaner phone to make the call to MW

if it was not transferred, the intruder would have been using DB's broken, personal phone to call MW

 

[matou]

Couldn't DB have tried to access her own vm's. I heard earlier that JI tried to contact DB earlier in the evening and the call went somewhere (????) It doesn't explain the call to MW's phone.

 

[cityslick]

oh my, my head hurts. LOL.

all the information we have says that DB's personal, broken cell phone, JI's personal cell phone, and the loaner phone were stolen.

the impression i got from that quote is:

When she went home later that night she had the loaner phone and her broken, personal cellphone out. she started copying numbers one by one from her personal, broken cell phone into the phone she got from her Grandpa. (the loaner phone) She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen.

clear as mud?

ETA: what is unclear right now, is if the service was actually transferred from DB's personal phone to the loaner phone. DB's father says it was, but we do not know if he has any first hand knowledge of that.

if it was transferred, the intruder would have been using the loaner phone to make the call to MW

if it was not transferred, the intruder would have been using DB's broken, personal phone to call MW

It doesn't read like that, although that may be the case.

When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa.

She got both of her phones and started copying numbers into the loaner phone. The two plus JI equals three.

 

[Sparklin]

He said no such thing as monday morning. He distinctly specified Sunday Night. There was no Monday mentioned from the father. Where did he say it had no service?

Link please

Here is the link to my very FIRST line:

My total take on ALL phones:

and so on:
Sunday evening, possibly Monday morning

I don't remember quoting anyone, so I'm not sure who HE is.

 

[askfornina]

It doesn't read like that, although that may be the case.

When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa.

She got both of her phones and started copying numbers into the loaner phone. The two plus JI equals three.

yeah, i understand what you are saying. i'm not sure which phone would be "her" second phone, because we have never heard of anything like DB having 2 personal cell phones. i assume "her" second phone is the loaner phone, because they would both be "her phone", KWIM? all of the information we have has said that her personal cellphone, JI's personal phone and the loaner were stolen. i'm not really too concerned about the wording of that statement.

 

[GoodGurl]

Seems to me, unless the midnight call was on one phone, and the attempts at the internet were on another, the phone in question must be DB's smart phone simply because the loaner phone was plain jane and wouldn't have internet access.

 

[askfornina]

Seems to me, unless the midnight call was on one phone, and the attempts at the internet were on another, the phone in question must be DB's smart phone simply because the loaner phone was plain jane and wouldn't have internet access.

some "plain jane" phones have very basic internet access. some don't. it would really help to know the exact model of all of these phones.

 

[GoodGurl]

some "plain jane" phones have very basic internet access. some don't. it would really help to know the exact model of all of these phones.

I did not know that. All plain phones I've been exposed to didn't have that option. Ok, thanks.

But I do say it seems more LIKELY that it wasn't the plain phone used, and it was hers. An intruder/thief would be much more attracted to a smart-phone than a cheap plain one.

 

[askfornina]

I did not know that. All plain phones I've been exposed to didn't have that option. Ok, thanks.

But I do say it seems more LIKELY that it wasn't the plain phone used, and it was hers. An intruder/thief would be much more attracted to a smart-phone than a cheap plain one.

i agree. i really hope we get answers one day on this phone issue, because as it stands right now we definitely do not have all of the most important puzzle pieces.

 

[vlpate]

some "plain jane" phones have very basic internet access. some don't. it would really help to know the exact model of all of these phones.

Actually, a smart phone is different from a basic cell because it has an operating system which enables the user to access the internet. Not that it's important, just clarification.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

some "plain jane" phones have very basic internet access. some don't. it would really help to know the exact model of all of these phones.

Your correct. I have a two year old Samsung slider phone. In the owners manual it says this. "Your phone is equipped with a WAP (Wireless Application Protocol) browser which allows you to access the Internet." I've never tried to use that feature myself, but its possible.

 

[askfornina]

Actually, a smart phone is different from a basic cell because it has an operating system which enables the user to access the internet. Not that it's important, just clarification.

are you saying that something that would be described as a "plain jane" phone would not be able to access the internet?

because "older model phones" that aren't "smartphones" are able to access the internet, albeit in a very basic browser.

The first Nokia phone to bring GPRS internet services to the mass market. The 3510i, pictured here, was a more advanced version with a colour screen. 2002

http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/

just sayin. like you said, not really important. and like i said, it would help to know what type of phones these were.

i've posted too much in this thread today.

 

[vlpate]

Your correct. I have a two year old Samsung slider phone. In the owners manual it says this. "Your phone is equipped with a WAP (Wireless Application Protocol) browser which allows you to access the Internet." I've never tried to use that feature myself, but its possible.

You have a smart phone.

 

[vlpate]

are you saying that something that would be described as a "plain jane" phone would not be able to access the internet?

because "older model phones" that aren't "smartphones" are able to access the internet, albeit in a very basic browser.


http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/05/the-evolution-of-cell-phone-design-between-1983-2009/

just sayin. like you said, not really important. and like i said, it would help to know what type of phones these were.

i've posted too much in this thread today.

When you say "plain jane", and as it relates to whether or not whomever had DB's phones could access the Internet, I have to assume you mean it cannot access the Internet and thus, the difference between the two.

I think it is probably relevant to LE when trying to figure out which phone the perp had if one of them could not access the Internet. Since DN said the phone he gave her was her grandma's old on, it would seem that one would be the smart phone, IMO.