Cesar Laurean's Trial

[panthera]

I think a woman would use a blunt object to strike out rather than a male who could have easily choked the life out of a pregnant woman.

This came out of no where imo. The autopsy injury of the one blow has always haunted me. Something just doesn't fit. It is a direct strike against the left side of Maria's face and if she saw it coming she would have turned her head to the right to deflect the blow. It has always made me feel she was looking straight on as if she was talking to someone else and, without forewarning, someone came up and swung the crowbar giving her no time to react.

IIMO

Exactly what I'm thinking about the manner in which she was killed. Also, the injury to the base of her skull, which to me, indicates she was struck from behind. I cannot visualize how she could have been facing her attacker without having defensive injuries to her arms/hands as one's first reaction would be to protect their head and face. MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If you could see me, you'd laugh because I'm practically jumping up and down in agreement. You just put into words exactly what's been nagging at me regarding her injury. The fact that she didn't turn... I can't remember what the condition of her hands and arms were for the autopsy... But wouldn't you think she could at least get an arm up if she saw a crowbar coming at her?

I have seen many autopsy diagrams over the years when keeping up with cases and Maria's diagram is very unusual imo. Most when struck by a bludgeoning object to the left or right side of the skull the damage and crush injury will include the skull behind the ear because it is a normal human reaction that the victim will turn their head to try to get away from the full strike.

And also a crowbar is long and cylindrical yet the injury to Maria is more of a wide rectangular shape in one specific area.

It has always nagged at me from the first time I saw the injury pattern.

IMO

 

[Jess]

Exactly what I'm thinking about the manner in which she was killed. Also, the injury to the base of her skull, which to me, indicates she was struck from behind. I cannot visualize how she could have been facing her attacker without having defensive injuries to her arms/hands as one's first reaction would be to protect their head and face. MOO

Unless she was leaving, walking out.....

 

[GeekyGirl]

I see what you're pointing out Ocean... I hadn't looked at the diagrams in a long time. No left arm, or right forearm so it's hard to r/o defensive injuries, but IMO the skull fx does look odd. Almost like she got caught with the wider flatter end of a crowbar, and the placement does make it look like she didn't turn her head. Alas... Even more questions, but 5 am comes early and my bed is calling. Thanks again to everyone for all the great conversation. It's so unusual to find a group of people that can discuss such an emotional topic without any craziness.

 

[MCDRAW]

I think a woman would use a blunt object to strike out rather than a male who could have easily choked the life out of a pregnant woman.

This came out of no where imo. The autopsy injury of the one blow has always haunted me. Something just doesn't fit. It is a direct strike against the left side of Maria's face and if she saw it coming she would have turned her head to the right to deflect the blow. It has always made me feel she was looking straight on as if she was talking to someone else and, without forewarning, someone came up and swung the crowbar giving her no time to react.

IIMO

Do you think that Christina could have walked in and found the two together and she is the one that hit and killed Maria? She would have never seen the blow coming. Then because he feels guilty decides to take the rap and uses atm card and flees to Mexico. Or maybe they decide Christina needs to be with the little girl. I'm not saying he isn't guilty but I believe that Christina played a larger role in this than what the prosecution is saying. I can't understand why she hasn't been charged.

 

[dgfred]

I do here what you're saying, and yes, I'd really like to think if there was evidence of phone calls
or what not, they would have brought it in, but then again I also would have thought they would have had a MUCH stronger case before going to trial, so who knows? They did mention something early on about proof of contact between the two, but alas, nothing. Someone at work mentioned that perhaps it was a call to or from a landline in their house, and the DA didn't bring it up because it could point to Christina as well, but again, that's purely speculation.

I'll be interested to see what comes out in the wrongful death suit...

Our paper in Goldsboro stated that there was NO phone activity between them that they could find. But they may have contacted each other in other ways is my opinion.

I don't think Cesar would just 'take the fall' for his wife... cheating on her in the first place knocks that out for me. How much she is involved is still a biiiiiiiiggggg question for me though.

 

[dgfred]

I have seen many autopsy diagrams over the years when keeping up with cases and Maria's diagram is very unusual imo. Most when struck by a bludgeoning object to the left or right side of the skull the damage and crush injury will include the skull behind the ear because it is a normal human reaction that the victim will turn their head to try to get away from the full strike.

And also a crowbar is long and cylindrical yet the injury to Maria is more of a wide rectangular shape in one specific area.

It has always nagged at me from the first time I saw the injury pattern.

IMO

Welcome back. :dance:

Yes, the wound is interesting as to the possibilities of different scenarios to the murder. No help from the prosecution in that regard... that is for sure :furious: .

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Do you think that Christina could have walked in and found the two together and she is the one that hit and killed Maria? She would have never seen the blow coming. Then because he feels guilty decides to take the rap and uses atm card and flees to Mexico. Or maybe they decide Christina needs to be with the little girl. I'm not saying he isn't guilty but I believe that Christina played a larger role in this than what the prosecution is saying. I can't understand why she hasn't been charged.

I am beginning to think that is a very good possibility MCDRAW.

I have even more questions than affirmative answers now that the state has presented his case.

Cesar is no idiot. He knew immediately whether he murdered Maria or not he was going to be the one blamed for this crime. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

IMO

 

[dgfred]

I am beginning to think that is a very good possibility MCDRAW.

I have even more questions than affirmative answers now that the state has presented his case.

Cesar is no idiot. He knew immediately whether he murdered Maria or not he was going to be the one blamed for this crime. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

IMO

Well if he did NOT do it, he could have easily just turned his wife in... kept his career, kept the child and moved on with his life in a way. Cheating on her showed he did not appreciate what he had... and also stating he 'loved' Maria also shows discontent. He did not have to bury the body, spend her money or have fires over her remains... if he did not do it. It would be more consistant with them 'both' involved from what little we know so far of what actually happened. IMO

 

[panthera]

I am beginning to think that is a very good possibility MCDRAW.

I have even more questions than affirmative answers now that the state has presented his case.

Cesar is no idiot. He knew immediately whether he murdered Maria or not he was going to be the one blamed for this crime. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

IMO

I agree, however, I still can't get over the stupidity of thinking her remains wouldn't be discovered in his own back yard. It takes a fire of a lot more intensity and heat than his "bonfire" to completely destroy a human body. If her body had been removed to another location it would have left the investigation open to more suspects. MOO

 

[MCDRAW]

Well if he did NOT do it, he could have easily just turned his wife in... kept his career, kept the child and moved on with his life in a way. Cheating on her showed he did not appreciate what he had... and also stating he 'loved' Maria also shows discontent. He did not have to bury the body, spend her money or have fires over her remains... if he did not do it. It would be more consistant with them 'both' involved from what little we know so far of what actually happened. IMO

That's true. I believe Christina is involved more than knowing he killed Maria and letting him escape. Christina could have made him feel guilty. She could have said it was all his fault, he cheated, brought her into their home, and now their baby wasn't going to have parents, who knows. If she was naked from waist down and never saw the blow coming, Christina finding them together is the only conclusion I am drawing right now. That is subject to change when more information is released. Do you think they may be waiting on the outcome of this trial before they charge Christina because she doesn't appear to be cooperating. Cooperating in my book would be testifying against him. Why would a woman stand by him after cheating and then killing of that woman? I would be running and taking steps that he never see his daughter again...but that's just me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well if he did NOT do it, he could have easily just turned his wife in... kept his career, kept the child and moved on with his life in a way. Cheating on her showed he did not appreciate what he had... and also stating he 'loved' Maria also shows discontent. He did not have to bury the body, spend her money or have fires over her remains... if he did not do it. It would be more consistent with them 'both' involved from what little we know so far of what actually happened. IMO

I am not sure we can say that everyone doesn't regret acts they may have done during their marriage and tries to correct them. I absolutely do not believe a rape ever occurred and this false allegation, imo, was the catalyst that put this perfect storm in motion, imo.

I have also found it very interesting that not one other person has spoken out saying Laurean was known as a womanizer who had multiple affairs or used his rank to sexually advance his own desires. It seems it was only Maria. So a pattern of adultery just doesn't seem to be the case.

So imo he did have a tryst with Maria for a very short time and may have come to realize after being with her two times he was putting his career and marriage in jeopardy. This may have made Maria very angry and that is why the false allegations (imo) were made.

I think he would cover for Christina. He would have tremendous guilt about ever having sex with Maria in the first place. IMO, he knows a little girl needs their mother more than their father.

imo

 

[panthera]

That's true. I believe Christina is involved more than knowing he killed Maria and letting him escape. Christina could have made him feel guilty. She could have said it was all his fault, he cheated, brought her into their home, and now their baby wasn't going to have parents, who knows. If she was naked from waist down and never saw the blow coming, Christina finding them together is the only conclusion I am drawing right now. That is subject to change when more information is released. Do you think they may be waiting on the outcome of this trial before they charge Christina because she doesn't appear to be cooperating. Cooperating in my book would be testifying against him. Why would a woman stand by him after cheating and then killing of that woman? I would be running and taking steps that he never see his daughter again...but that's just me.

I agree about her level of involvement being far more than what she contends. Remember though, there is also a pending civil lawsuit filed by Maria's mother against BOTH Christina and Cesar. Testimony from the criminal trial can be introduced into that trial, so I can totally understand her not wanting to testify for that reason. MOO

 

[panthera]

I hadn't realized Cesar's family was in the courtroom.....

"Laurean spoke his first words in the two-week trial to tell the judge he would not be testifying in his own defense.
Laurean’s mother cried several times during the proceedings, especially when bailiffs led Laurean away at the end of the day.
Salvador Laurean told The Daily News of Jacksonville on Thursday that his son was a good person and a hard worker. Cesar Laurean’s two sisters present at the trial told reporters Wednesday they believe Laurean is innocent and that Lauterbach, who they say had mental health problems, killed herself in their brother’s garage.
Laurean provided that theory himself in notes he left to his wife, which have been ruled inadmissible due to a state law that prevents communication between spouses from being used in court."

article at http://www.enctoday.com/news/judge-67644-kfpress-bodycopyrag-motion.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree, however, I still can't get over the stupidity of thinking her remains wouldn't be discovered in his own back yard. It takes a fire of a lot more intensity and heat than his "bonfire" to completely destroy a human body. If her body had been removed to another location it would have left the investigation open to more suspects. MOO

Now that you mentioned that Panthera. When I left for vacation I had heard he had ONE bonfire around Christmastime but on another site I read he had three but I know rumors have swirled in this case like others and the true testimony in court gets lost in the rumor mill.

But I think he was scared to death to remove her from his home. Afraid he would be stopped or detected. I think he buried her there because he felt he had no other choice.

I have always seen panic and disorganization in this case and that is one of the many reasons I do not believe it was premeditated.

IMO

 

[panthera]

Now that you mentioned that Panthera. When I left for vacation I had heard he had ONE bonfire around Christmastime but on another site I read he had three but I know rumors have swirled in this case like others and the true testimony in court gets lost in the rumor mill.

But I think he was scared to death to remove her from his home. Afraid he would be stopped or detected. I think he buried her there because he felt he had no other choice.

I have always seen panic and disorganization in this case and that is one of the many reasons I do not believe it was premeditated.

IMO

I seem to recall multiple "parties" in the back yard from early reports. I will agree he was probably scared to remove her from his safe zone and used the only method of covering up what had happened that he could think of. And that is one reason I do not believe this was at all premeditated but instead something that happened in the heat of passion. MOO

 

[dgfred]

I am not sure we can say that everyone doesn't regret acts they may have done during their marriage and tries to correct them. I absolutely do not believe a rape ever occurred and this false allegation, imo, was the catalyst that put this perfect storm in motion, imo.

I have also found it very interesting that not one other person has spoken out saying Laurean was known as a womanizer who had multiple affairs or used his rank to sexually advance his own desires. It seems it was only Maria. So a pattern of adultery just doesn't seem to be the case.

So imo he did have a tryst with Maria for a very short time and may have come to realize after being with her two times he was putting his career and marriage in jeopardy. This may have made Maria very angry and that is why the false allegations (imo) were made.

I think he would cover for Christina. He would have tremendous guilt about ever having sex with Maria in the first place. IMO, he knows a little girl needs their mother more than their father.

imo

But......... what about the 'I love Maria' statement after capture???????

 

[naturaleza]

By the way Maria was struck, could it be a possibility that she might have come over and have sex with Ceasar, like, ok, I'm leaving but let's be together one last time, and Cristina came in that moment and be enfuriated enough to strike her? And thus, him taking the blame for her and citing I love Maria?

 

[panthera]

By the way Maria was struck, could it be a possibility that she might have come over and have sex with Ceasar, like, ok, I'm leaving but let's be together one last time, and Cristina came in that moment and be enfuriated enough to strike her? And thus, him taking the blame for her and citing I love Maria?

I believe it's possible!

 

[dgfred]

By the way Maria was struck, could it be a possibility that she might have come over and have sex with Ceasar, like, ok, I'm leaving but let's be together one last time, and Cristina came in that moment and be enfuriated enough to strike her? And thus, him taking the blame for her and citing I love Maria?

I don't think so, near end of the pregnancy and would have been chancing the wife coming home during the 'get together'.

But just those two talking, after the trouble Maria got Cesar in... is enough to maybe infuriate his wife to that point imo.