Cheerleaders Killed in Head-On Fiery Crash.
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I think its so sweet that the 2 boys who stopped to try to help were telling the girls not to look. I could imagine how hard it would be to NOT look, but then after looking you would prob regret seeing such a thing. 
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me too. Gosh, it could've been any of them in the SUV! Can you imagine witnessing that?? I can not even imagine the horror.
Those criticizing the girls, please take a look at this article. It may make you think twice about what you think and/or what you wrote.
Prayers for the surviving girls. Their lives will be changed forever. And prayers to their families, too.
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I agree. I couldnt witness that, that image would seriously haunt me forever!
My highschool cheer coach got all us girls together for a prayer service for these girls & a girl that we had lost to a car accident also. It was really sweet. and way to sad!
My highschool cheer coach got all us girls together for a prayer service for these girls & a girl that we had lost to a car accident also. It was really sweet. and way to sad!
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My parents were so uncaring, and negligent. Along with about 500 other parents letting us all go to Senior Week in Wildwood, New Jersey. Half my friends dad's were cops. There's a trust factor. Depending on what State you live in we could have all been married by that age. Pedinurse, I understand your point. These kids are dead. Gone. Questioning the thought process of the parents right now is kind of well hitting below the belt. Besides. we've got six year olds this very minute running wild outside while mom entertains her gentleman friends for crack money. Kids running around sometimes until 2:00AM at night. Huge difference. Huge. Nice girls who now are gone. My sympathy is with their families.
They met sometime at Bailey's house some time after 9. The crash happened at 10:04 pm I believe, in Bloomfield. Which is a ways away from Fairport, so between getting home after 9, getting everyone together, packing up the car, and then crashing headfirst into a semi, I don't think there was really time to get alcohol involved.
Believe it or not, good kids sometimes drink before 21. Sayings on MySpace don't equal drunken driving necessarily. I get the feeling you'd love it if they crashed because of alcohol. The girls are dead, so none of this judgement or speculation really matters.
Believe it or not, good kids sometimes drink before 21. Sayings on MySpace don't equal drunken driving necessarily. I get the feeling you'd love it if they crashed because of alcohol. The girls are dead, so none of this judgement or speculation really matters.
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I don't think it is a matter of being critical. It is a reality check for everyone, especially the families and the four girls in the other car.
5 girls in one SUV at 10:00 pm is a recipe for disaster. No matter how careful a 17 y/o is, he or she is not as experienced as someone even a couple of years older. I would not let one of my DD's ride in such a situation. We have had rules about that sort of thing for about 6-7 years now.
It is sad and tragic. I just hope someone modifies their behavior because of it.
5 girls in one SUV at 10:00 pm is a recipe for disaster. No matter how careful a 17 y/o is, he or she is not as experienced as someone even a couple of years older. I would not let one of my DD's ride in such a situation. We have had rules about that sort of thing for about 6-7 years now.
It is sad and tragic. I just hope someone modifies their behavior because of it.
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Ok..i really find it uneccessary to keep talking about the fact that Katie wrote "im a beer girl" on her myspace page. If you really believe that kids their age arent drinking alcohol, then you must be in denial. I mean i guess you are allowed to criticize anyone you want...& i would respect your comments IF this car accident was a result of these girls being drunk or under the influence of any drug..because drunk driving is absolutely horrible. but the fact that this accident had NO alcohol involved, it shouldnt really matter what the girls did in their personal lives. I also get the feeling that you would have loved if it did. There not murderers, alcoholics, drug abusers...there 5 normal girls who drank socially...which i believe is not a "shock factor" these days.
I just feel that if these girls parents somehow came on here to read these comments, they would be so hurt & think that everyone is seeing them to blame and seeing them as bad parents.
I just feel that if these girls parents somehow came on here to read these comments, they would be so hurt & think that everyone is seeing them to blame and seeing them as bad parents.
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I hear you concern, pedinurse. I guess I feel like the only way we are going to create a society where normal underage (pre-adult) people don't drink is to have a society where alcohol is not so accepted and prevalent. I don't see that happnening anytime soon.
Young adults want to do what they see adults doing. Alcohol is everywhere - marketed as the way to a good time. Our society grooms them to want to check out alcohol and high schoolers doing so is pretty commonplace.
Maybe one day we'll have a world where we don't need mood and mind-altering substances to have fun, unwind, relax, catch a buzz, etc...etc...but I just don't see that coming antime soon.
Young adults want to do what they see adults doing. Alcohol is everywhere - marketed as the way to a good time. Our society grooms them to want to check out alcohol and high schoolers doing so is pretty commonplace.
Maybe one day we'll have a world where we don't need mood and mind-altering substances to have fun, unwind, relax, catch a buzz, etc...etc...but I just don't see that coming antime soon.
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Well in that article their friends that were behind them said they did drink socially but not that night.
"The remaining four girls are adamant neither alcohol nor horseplay were a factor. Had members of the group drank before? Sure. On that night? Not at all."
You have every right in this world to be mad about underage drinking. That is totally understandable. But it does NOT apply to this car accident.
"The remaining four girls are adamant neither alcohol nor horseplay were a factor. Had members of the group drank before? Sure. On that night? Not at all."
You have every right in this world to be mad about underage drinking. That is totally understandable. But it does NOT apply to this car accident.
Drinking is a reality in this world and we have already tried the Prohibition route. Maybe we should concentrate more on better educated,more experince driving. Maybe 16 is just way too young to be driving alone. Maybe kids should be required to have a learners permit for 2 years before getting a real license.
I think this is about driver inexperience ,not underage drinking. Drinking and driving is wrong no matter what age.
I think half the problem with our youngsters drinking, is we have made it the "forbidden fruit". As all teens have done from the history of mankind, any time they can buck the establishment,they will.
More emphasis should be placed on responsable drinking as to no drinking. Don't stop at the DARE program in 5th grade,provide mandatory education in highschool showing the dangers of excessive drugs and alcohol. Right now the only time that is offered is if you have already gotten in trouble. Its just naive to think that its not happening.
When I was young the drinking age was 18 and I see alot more binge/irrespondsable drinking going on now more than ever.(and I consider myself to have been quite a party girl). Going to a bar to drink legally costs way to much money to get drunk,but buying a bottle and hiding the woods and get plastered is a heck of a lot cheaper. The good news is I do see with my teenage sons,they seem much more educated about DWI.
I don't know what the answer is,but we obviously are doing something wrong.
I think this is about driver inexperience ,not underage drinking. Drinking and driving is wrong no matter what age.
I think half the problem with our youngsters drinking, is we have made it the "forbidden fruit". As all teens have done from the history of mankind, any time they can buck the establishment,they will.
More emphasis should be placed on responsable drinking as to no drinking. Don't stop at the DARE program in 5th grade,provide mandatory education in highschool showing the dangers of excessive drugs and alcohol. Right now the only time that is offered is if you have already gotten in trouble. Its just naive to think that its not happening.
When I was young the drinking age was 18 and I see alot more binge/irrespondsable drinking going on now more than ever.(and I consider myself to have been quite a party girl). Going to a bar to drink legally costs way to much money to get drunk,but buying a bottle and hiding the woods and get plastered is a heck of a lot cheaper. The good news is I do see with my teenage sons,they seem much more educated about DWI.
I don't know what the answer is,but we obviously are doing something wrong.
That is routine in an accident investigation. I greatly doubt though that alcohol was involved in this crash. From everything I have read and heard and learned about that day and night, they weren't drinking. And you won't hear anything about toxicology on the passengers, it's the driver they are looking at.
I do hear your concern though about the underage drinking. These girls are/were normal, lives much like every other teenager, even when I was one. I've been to the memorial pages on facebook and looked at all the pictures of the girls and their friends. There are a handful, out of hundreds all together, where you can see beer bottles in the background, one where there is two cases of beer on a counter right behind the girls that are posing. Is that acceptable - NO! And, as a parent I wonder how did they get the alcohol, how did none of the parents find out (it was probably obtained by an older sibling or college friend). How did everyone get home from that party? Etc. But, I did those same things 25 years ago, I too can only count a handful of times in high school alcohol was at parties, my girlfriends and I took one sip and thought we were drunk. Even today, parents and kid's don't look at beer and wine the same way they do at marijuana and meth, cocaine and heroin. We talk so much about not drinking and driving, but are we saying enough about just not drinking period. When parents do find out the concern and punishment is much different than if you find out your kid was doing a hard core drug. And the kid's look at it much differently too.
At any rate, I still think it is the forkin' cell phones that are the biggest problem with teens and driving. Even in this accident, at 10:04, seconds before the accident, Bailey, the driver of the SUV that all the girls died in, called the other's in the car following saying she was passing the van, but wanted them to stay together on the road. She probably still had the phone in her hand, perhaps was in the process of calling back to tell them not to pass yet - a truck was coming, when she veered over. And think about music playing (one had just made a new mix CD they were excited to listen to), four other girls with four other cell phones, all that conversation and distraction, that driver had too much going on. That would be too much for a 40 year old.
I do hear your concern though about the underage drinking. These girls are/were normal, lives much like every other teenager, even when I was one. I've been to the memorial pages on facebook and looked at all the pictures of the girls and their friends. There are a handful, out of hundreds all together, where you can see beer bottles in the background, one where there is two cases of beer on a counter right behind the girls that are posing. Is that acceptable - NO! And, as a parent I wonder how did they get the alcohol, how did none of the parents find out (it was probably obtained by an older sibling or college friend). How did everyone get home from that party? Etc. But, I did those same things 25 years ago, I too can only count a handful of times in high school alcohol was at parties, my girlfriends and I took one sip and thought we were drunk. Even today, parents and kid's don't look at beer and wine the same way they do at marijuana and meth, cocaine and heroin. We talk so much about not drinking and driving, but are we saying enough about just not drinking period. When parents do find out the concern and punishment is much different than if you find out your kid was doing a hard core drug. And the kid's look at it much differently too.
At any rate, I still think it is the forkin' cell phones that are the biggest problem with teens and driving. Even in this accident, at 10:04, seconds before the accident, Bailey, the driver of the SUV that all the girls died in, called the other's in the car following saying she was passing the van, but wanted them to stay together on the road. She probably still had the phone in her hand, perhaps was in the process of calling back to tell them not to pass yet - a truck was coming, when she veered over. And think about music playing (one had just made a new mix CD they were excited to listen to), four other girls with four other cell phones, all that conversation and distraction, that driver had too much going on. That would be too much for a 40 year old.
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Don't forget about texting. My son tried that one time while I was driving with him. I almost killed him for that. I was lucky he never did drugs or drink. His freinds teased him so bad for being straight.
But I must say parents are willing to buy thier kids beer and wine coolers for parties thinking it won't hurt if they drive them. Some idiot teacher told my son and his class that in WI it was leagal to allow them to drink at the age of 16 if it's in thier own homes. I never could find the law on that, but that made me so mad.
But I must say parents are willing to buy thier kids beer and wine coolers for parties thinking it won't hurt if they drive them. Some idiot teacher told my son and his class that in WI it was leagal to allow them to drink at the age of 16 if it's in thier own homes. I never could find the law on that, but that made me so mad.
So true. But I think the problem, in conjunction with this, is that parents will just say "no" but not explain WHY, so the "no" isn't as meaningful as it could be. There are alot of lazy parents these days.
My child will be told "no", but he will also be told WHY, and I'll hammer it home, with videos, and pictures, and first-person testimony of how it can ruin alot of people's lives.
They'll also learn to respect alcohol, so if I'm present they may have a sip here and there. I'd rather them be curious about it around me than being curious behind my back.
To all of the legal zealots whose mantra is "but it's illegal" need to get that out of your systems.
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These cheerleaders being killed in a head-on crash reminds me that when I was a sophomore in high school, three very popular senior girls in our small high scholl, were killed in a head-on crash, by a drunk, with his headlights off, who never even hit his brakes, and his car drove right over the top their car, beheading them (he lived); they were in, what was known as "the suicide lane" when it happened. It was just a month, or so, from graduation. Small town, and it hit everyone very hard for a very long time. These type incidents are true tragedies.
Geez, you pretty much described the Quentin Tarantino portion of Grindhouse.
Interesting, but I think Buzz is talking about something that happened in the Pittsburgh area.
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From what I've read about this accident, I could almost guarantee that distraction from the cell phone caused her to swerve back over. She called the girls that were following before she passed the car ahead. Consider this quote from the article posted previously in this thread: (here's the link again if anyone needs it.) http://www.mpnnow.com/news/view_story.php?articleId=9874
I'm thinking that as soon as she passed the vehicle, she was planning on calling Riley again. For whatever reason, she swerved back over into oncoming traffic. She might have dropped the phone and went looking for it. I don't understand why if there were so many girls in the car, the driver was the one using the cell phone. Of course, that's just more conjecture. It doesn't matter at this point. Those girls are gone. The parents are devestated, their friends are devestated. I feel awful for them.
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There is a scholarship at our local school in honor of a young woman who had just graduated, whose car was hit head-on by a drunk driver going the wrong way on the expressway. She survived the crash, but the front end of the car was crushed and her legs were trapped. While her friends and passers-by were trying to get her out, the wreck burst into flames and she was burned alive.
Sometimes crappy things happen. A teen and his girlfriend were driving home from the river and his cell phone rang. It was in his pocked and he tried to get it out (because it was his MOTHER calling) he lost control of the truck and ended up flipping it-killing himself.
How can a mother live with that, knowing that it was her call that caused him to flip his car? I don't think she really can.
As for the young people drinking and partying and doing drugs and so on, it is going to happen. No matter what-even the best of parents can have children who favor partying and drinking and to be honest, there are parents who are for their kids partying. It is almost like they are living their lives through their kids.
How can a mother live with that, knowing that it was her call that caused him to flip his car? I don't think she really can.
As for the young people drinking and partying and doing drugs and so on, it is going to happen. No matter what-even the best of parents can have children who favor partying and drinking and to be honest, there are parents who are for their kids partying. It is almost like they are living their lives through their kids.
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